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[Dieb]

I loved the DLC gameplay-wise, since the balance between action and exploration/investigation was just about perfect.

I also don't agree with your reasoning at all OP. Not unlike their dark-metally counterparts, the Leviathans spend most of their time advertising their superiority, so I don't see why they should be held accountable in the same way a beast would be - as in not at all.

Theirs was pretty much by the book the most colossal possible mess-up in the history of the galaxy, so it was way overdue for someone like Shep to make them take responsibility at last.

[KaiserShep]

If I had to make one real complaint about the DLC, it's how weird the face modeling is for it. When I first played it, and saw Ann Bryson, all I could hear in my head was Harry Plinkett saying "What's wrong with your faaaace?"

[Wolfva2]

KaiserShep wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...
Of course, now they'd be another problem to deal with since the Reapers are gone and they think they're gods who are owed worship...

I doubt they'd last long against the rest of the galaxy if they decided to actually come out of hiding. They can only enthrall so many before they cause a problem for themselves. Heck, hurling asteroids at planets is apparently well within the power of even a small group of people, and I doubt the more aggressive races in the galaxy would oppose doing it.

Archontic wrote...

for me it's less about it being a good strategy and more about being kind of a **** thing to do.

I can see it from that point of view, but the thing is, if you're facing full on extinction, it seems prudent to try to find as much help as you can. If the Leviathan is a sentient being that is also threatened by the reapers, and is capable of killing them, you'd think that this should be investigated, especially since your only other plan is a mysterious device you're pouring resources into yet have no idea how it will work. In that situation, I would gladly throw the Leviathan under the bus if it meant having a better shot against a galactic pandemic, even if they were truly benevolent.

Hurling asteroids at planets only work when the planets don't have an asteroid defense system.  Not saying the Levi world did...but now that they no longer need to hide, don't you think they might start building stuff?  Plus, their globes are all over the place now, maybe they would start exerting subtle mind control?  Let's not forget, these are basically immortal beings.  What's 50,000 years to something that's nigh immortal?  They have time on their side.

Who knows, maybe there'll be a 3rd trilogy set 20k years in the future when the Leviathans have decided to make their move?

[KaiserShep]

They themselves can't really build anything. They'd have to get thralls to do it for them. Considering that the orbs can be shielded or destroyed, they're kind of at the mercy of the universe at large. It's doubtful that they'd be able to gather significant enough forces to aid them without being noticed. In short, this is a new jack galaxy. They'd be screwed if they made their move.

I imagine if there was a story involving them actually becoming the aggressors, the story would be resolved with their deaths too. Considering that they're at a significant disadvantage compared to the reapers, it wouldn't require a magical plot device either.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 septembre 2013 - 10:42 .

[Wolfva2]

Meh, they can still just sit back and wait a bit. They seemed the patient sort. For cuttlefish.

I think I'd've liked the DLC better if we got more out of it though. Like...blueprints for a reaper damaging cannon.

[NeonFlux117]

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 06 septembre 2013 - 10:53 .

[KaiserShep]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I think I'd've liked the DLC better if we got more out of it though. Like...blueprints for a reaper damaging cannon.

That would've been nice, considering that the Leviathan were around to witness the firing of the mass accelerator weapon that created the rift on Klendagon and tore through a reaper. I guess they were asleep at the time.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 septembre 2013 - 10:52 .

[NeonFlux117]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

I really don't understand all the hate bout' cute cuddle fishy. Cutte fishy just want to have a friend. What better friend than Commander Shepard- Shep has lot's of Alien friends. Cuttle fishy just latest entry.

Think about it. Cuttle fishy been alone for millions of cycles. All alone on that gloomy water planet, with just his thoughts of yesteryear and better times. And cuddle fishy been watching. And see's this human who really likes Aliens, has lots of friends, is famous and has a cool ship. And also this human, like Cuddel Fishy, hates Reapers and wants to wipe them out.

It's a match made in heaven.

So cuttle fishy starts doing things and attracting attention. Knowing that Shepard will find him, And he will have a new Friend to talk about things. from- What's your favorite movie. Too, What's your favorite way to kill Reapers.

Why do you think Cuddle fishy just wanted Shepard to find him. No crew or other friends. Just Shepard and cuttle fishy deep beneath sea. The ultimate blind date.

 3 KM tall, ultar advance, highly powerful, infinte god like Cuttle Fishy and The Shepard. BFF's4Life.

[Display Name Owner]

Why? To hear them tell it, they spent aeons enthralling/enslaving/generally interfering with other species, for no greater reason than that being their chosen lifestyle. Bryson was looking for information about the Reapers because the fates of trillions (actually, potentially infinite trillions) of lives depend on stopping them. Slightly more important than the Leviathans' personal desires.

...Kind of a weird complaint tbh.

[dorktainian]

red herring (get it?) Divert attention away from the reapers by introducing a supposedly ancient foe who supposedly can destroy reapers, but still hide at the bottom of the ocean like chickens..ts.

If they can kill reapers, why they hiding?

Smells fishy.

[NeonFlux117]

dorktainian wrote...

red herring (get it?) Divert attention away from the reapers by introducing a supposedly ancient foe who supposedly can destroy reapers, but still hide at the bottom of the ocean like chickens..ts.

If they can kill reapers, why they hiding?

Smells fishy.

The red herring is Shepard. 

It always was. 

Shepard is not to quote him/her "just a soldier". LOL.

Also the illusion of Choice- This is fairly evident in the endings right? I mean, amazing that people didn't see this. The illusion of choice, "The Paths are open. And you must choose". But don't choose a path. You loose (refuse option). 

You can't win the game if you don't play- Illusion of choice- the major gameplay hook of Mass Effect? Choice and consequencs. Interactve Narrative. Your Shepard. Your Story. 

Only it's not. 

This is an illusion of choice. 

You have no choice. You must choose. As you have no choice but too choose a "path". 

Meta. At it's finest. 

But back to the Cuttle Fishy beneath da Sea. 

They are lonely. They just want Friend. What better friend that Shepard. "Superior Code" "Anomaly" Friend Shepard. And you know, Leviathan been round long time. I bet it got lots and lots of stories. 


And you know........



"Alright. One more story". 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:38 .

[Remix-General Aetius]

Necanor wrote...

Well, Leviathan at least includes your squadmates and doesn't have that ***** Aria in it. I admit, poking around in the lab gets dull, but the missions are pretty nice in Leviathan.

Leviathan includes the least liked squadmates in a shoved-down-our-throats fashion. I didn't want Vega around the lab, yet I couldn't send him away. EDI is indeed useful in the lab section, but any tech-savvy squaddie could've done it. Tali can, so can Liara (she'd have to be tech-savvy to be able to handle the Broker's resource pool).

so yeah you can't seriously expect me to be thankful for that.

the missions are boring, spending most of the time yapping on and waiting around for the cutscenes to finish. Omega keeps me on my toes for most of the time, tons of action AND not having to keep my poker face on in case my squaddies get the wrong impression or something.

just me, myself and Aria. people that knock on her strike me as jelly-spined weaklings that get offended by simply someone looking at them sideways. people like that have no backbone at all, and would instantly doom the galaxy to oblivion if they were the ones making the "hard" decisions in a real life Reaper invasion.

in other words, ****** to the core

[KaiserShep]

Having EDI and James show up at the lab is hardly having these characters shoved down our throats. As for tech-savvy alternatives, you can be sure that there'd be a lot of pissing and moaning from BSN'ers if Liara were to show up, and since Tali is only available if she survives the Rannoch resolution (if she even survived ME2), she's not really an option anyway. No matter what they do, someone is going to complain about it.

At least with Leviathan, there's more focus on the bigger enemy in the story. With Omega, it's just more Cerberus, with some biotic brute monsters. I like the DLC just fine, but in a galactic war against the reapers, I prefer to have more missions more closely involved with the reapers than Cerberus.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 septembre 2013 - 12:52 .

[Sir DeLoria]

TheGarden2010 wrote...
the missions are boring, spending most of the time yapping on and waiting around for the cutscenes to finish. Omega keeps me on my toes for most of the time, tons of action AND not having to keep my poker face on in case my squaddies get the wrong impression or something.

just me, myself and Aria. people that knock on her strike me as jelly-spined weaklings that get offended by simply someone looking at them sideways. people like that have no backbone at all, and would instantly doom the galaxy to oblivion if they were the ones making the "hard" decisions in a real life Reaper invasion.

in other words, ****** to the core

I actually meant something completely different with squaddies. In Omega I can't even bring along my mates, instead I forcefully have Ms Goody Two-shoes and Ms Ego with me. That's the problem, Aria isn't 'too hard' she's an arrogant, self-righteous, cocky and egomaniac b***h.

It's really too bad we weren't able to help the mercs assassinate her back in ME2:devil:

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Having EDI and James show up at the lab is hardly having these characters shoved down our throats. As for tech-savvy alternatives, you can be sure that there'd be a lot of pissing and moaning from BSN'ers if Liara were to show up, and since Tali is only available if she survives the Rannoch resolution (if she even survived ME2), she's not really an option anyway. No matter what they do, someone is going to complain about it.

At least with Leviathan, there's more focus on the bigger enemy in the story. With Omega, it's just more Cerberus, with some biotic brute monsters. I like the DLC just fine, but in a galactic war against the reapers, I prefer to have more missions more closely involved with the reapers than Cerberus.

The problem with Tali is more, that Leviathan can be finished way before Rannoch even starts.

[Dieb]

So you don't have a problem with certain team members just being there, as long as you  like them? Vega and EDI are just there, you're not even forced to take them along on missions.

What are you gonna tell Vega? "Report back to the ship, I didn't order you to come here for curiosity's sake. Tell squadmate XYZ to casually swing by instead. That's an order." You may call others ******, but I'd say that Vega-thing seems just a little infantile, man. That's like saying you hate Garrus hanging around the main battery just because.


Normally I'd just leave it at that since it's your personal opinion, but...

TheGarden2010 wrote...

Leviathan includes the least liked squadmates in a shoved-down-our-throats fashion. I didn't want Vega around the lab, yet I couldn't send him away.

[...]

so yeah you can't seriously expect me to be thankful for that.

[...]

just me, myself and Aria. people that knock on her strike me as jelly-spined weaklings that get offended by simply someone looking at them sideways.

[...]

in other words, ****** to the core

...I'm just saying. Careful.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 06 septembre 2013 - 01:30 .

[wright1978]

Disliked this DLC intensely, if i could trade it in for money back i would.
As it is i complete it up to point where i identify the Leviathan's planet, so after the war shep can try and come back bombard it from orbit.

[Wolfva2]

dorktainian wrote...

red herring (get it?) Divert attention away from the reapers by introducing a supposedly ancient foe who supposedly can destroy reapers, but still hide at the bottom of the ocean like chickens..ts.

If they can kill reapers, why they hiding?

Smells fishy.

Well, apparently the Reapers had put them on the Spot years before by nearly overfishing them; now they had the Net out looking for them...why, the Levi's woulda been inSeine to have shown their hands...tentacles...earlier!   Safety was in hiding, so they Grouper up on that world and hid, to avoid a Schooling from the Reaps.  Although they did Arm themselves while there

Puns aside, I wonder if BW's Montreal office is near a fish shop.  I mean, so many fish and tentacle based aliens!

[shepskisaac]

It's probably my favourite DLC ever, and definitely in Topb 3 with LOTSB and Citadel so no, doesn't annoy me at all, I love it.

[jontepwn]

I replayed this DLC recently and I liked it. My complaints are that it's a bit short, the lab investigative stuff is kind of boring, and the final revelation is rather forced and only serves as a plothole plugger. Other than that I enjoyed it, and even kinda liked the Reaper backstory.

Though I think it would've been way cooler if Leviathan actually was a Reaper instead of its creators. That's one negative thing to come out of Mass Effect 3 and Leviathan. The Reapers are now not interesting at all. Now that we know of the Reapers origins, I find the Leviathans themselves more interesting than the actual Reapers now that they only serve as pawns for some dumb AI's galactic extinction/preservation experiment.

Still, I liked it. I just think it could've been a lot better.

Modifié par jontepwn, 06 septembre 2013 - 02:35 .

[KaiserShep]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Puns aside, I wonder if BW's Montreal office is near a fish shop.  I mean, so many fish and tentacle based aliens!

Don't forget reptiles and amphibians. In any case, aquatic life tends to have the best references to draw from when designing aliens.

[Sir DeLoria]

KaiserShep wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

Puns aside, I wonder if BW's Montreal office is near a fish shop.  I mean, so many fish and tentacle based aliens!

Don't forget reptiles and amphibians. In any case, aquatic life tends to have the best references to draw from when designing aliens.

Well, at least we have the Batarians and Quarians as(presumably) fellow hominoid species. Elcor look like they're proboscid. I honestly have no idea what Volus are.

[KaiserShep]

Curiously enough, the only note on the Volus' physiology is that they share a similar trait with the Salarians, being that they possess cloacae. Fun fact to know...

[Lhawke]

David7204 wrote...

Or you could not betray someone after they help you out.

Sometimes that works.

What about the people who's lives it stole. We cannot afford to have this thing running around the universe, it has to be destroyed.

My renegade Shepard who hates slavers would nuke them at the first opportunity. Their decision to help,  to save their own necks would have meant nothing to her.  Talking her way out of that situation was the intelligent thing to do.

What would she have done if given the opportunity.  Scanned until the reapers showed up then issued a general broadcast of their location to them.  Then later an email from Harbinger. "We have the cuttlefish, but your still on our list Shepard"

My paragon Shepard would have talked it to death or until it shot itself.

Truly I find the lack of choice in this dlc highly disappointing.

[wright1978]

Lhawke wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Or you could not betray someone after they help you out.

Sometimes that works.

What about the people who's lives it stole. We cannot afford to have this thing running around the universe, it has to be destroyed.

My renegade Shepard who hates slavers would nuke them at the first opportunity. Their decision to help,  to save their own necks would have meant nothing to her.  Talking her way out of that situation was the intelligent thing to do.

What would she have done if given the opportunity.  Scanned until the reapers showed up then issued a general broadcast of their location to them.  Then later an email from Harbinger. "We have the cuttlefish, but your still on our list Shepard"

My paragon Shepard would have talked it to death or until it shot itself.

Truly I find the lack of choice in this dlc highly disappointing.

QFT