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[Zack_Nero]

I know that Hawke is the champion of Kirkwall, but he really only helped Kirkwall and not so much as Thedas.

In the Legacy DLC Hawke went to an ancient Gery Warden Prision and freed Corypheus.  An ancient Tevinter Magister of Old that has been around since the First Blight.  Yes he defeated him, but his soul went into either Larius or Janeka.  That is going to be a major issue in future of the Dragon Age world.

In the Mark of the Assassin DLC, we start off by going to an Orlesian noble to steal a certain "item" but then ending with that noble dying and possibly endangering all of the Free Marshes.  I'm not even a hundred precent certain as to how the Qunari feel about this because Tallis was acting on her own and outside of Qunari offical rules.

With Sebastian, for some people they didn't kill Anders, he swore vengeances (irony of Anders class I guess) on Anders.  He said that he would raise an army just to hunt down Anders and something tells me they won't care that much as to who or what is in their way.

Lastly the mages and the templars.  No matter who you side with, their is always going to be this war.  There is always going to resistance with the Chantry.  Heck, Varric even said that because of Hawke's actions it showed that the templars could defied.  

Also depending on some of the minor actions he/she could also let criminals, slavers, and blood mages live and free.  Smugglers having "good" business.  And some others.

I might be missing a few, but these were the big ones that came to my mind.  So is Hawke really that helpful to begin with?

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:59 .

[Biotic Sage]

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To answer the question, Hawke was supposed to be a catalyst for inevitable events, so I don't know if he did harm or good that wouldn't have happened eventually anyway.  It's a great setup for DA:I though!

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:49 .

[Plaintiff]

Hawke is not the sole catalyst of all those events. They would've happened anyway (albeit differing in specific ways), regardless of Hawke's involvement, because there are other factors at play.

If anything, I would say Hawke's involvement prevented things from being as bad as they could've been. Assuming you played him the way I did, which is obviously the only right way.

[Fredward]

Hawke didn't really do anything that didn't help him/her family. By that I mean they didn't initiate anything but stuff that might advance them. Circumstance just kinda shoved them down one road or another.

[Kenny Da Finn]

Got to agree with Plaintiff. I believe Hawke made a lot of those problems better rather than worse.

[TTTX]

You forgot Hawke found the idol that made Merredith crazy which lead to the events that lead to the ending of DA2.

[Plaintiff]

TTTX wrote...

You forgot Hawke found the idol that made Merredith crazy which lead to the events that lead to the ending of DA2.

Which could've happened easily enough without Hawke's involvement. If he'd turned down Varric's offer, Varric could've found another relatively competent warrior.

[SwordofMordin]

He's important enough to the next installment, whether that be directly or indirectly.

[Eveangaline]

Depends if you think Meredith would have kept pushing and pushing even if she didn't get the red lyrium.

[Eterna]

I really think the expac they were making would have set up Hawke and made him/her much more important to the world.

It is sad that it was scrapped.

[Clertar]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Hawke didn't really do anything that didn't help him/her family. By that I mean they didn't initiate anything but stuff that might advance them. Circumstance just kinda shoved them down one road or another.

"I see that selfishness and want are what drive this city of Kirkwall. The only human I've seen with true ability was on a random act of selfishness."

[Hey]

hawke was a baller. **** happens

[MrTijger]

Zack_Nero wrote...

I might be missing a few, but these were the big ones that came to my mind.  So is Hawke really that helpful to begin with?

Nope, Hawke is basically the catalyst that sets off a whole chain of nightmares while at the same time never having any intention to cause any of it.

On the plus side, Hawke does liberate Kirkwall from the Qunari, cleans up the streets several times and ends Meredith and Orsino.

Modifié par MrTijger, 06 septembre 2013 - 10:09 .

[Merengues 1945]

Well, he is not precisely an evil... He's just someone who get involved with the right guys at the wrong time.

The mage-templar war was inevitable, Fiona went to the circle to bring it down since the beginning, other event could spark the revolution and war would happen sooner or later.

Hawke founded the Lyrium idol, yet Meredith was crazy enough already to push the mages too much eventually.

S/he helped with the Qunari invasion, but in the end Meredith and Orsino would have feast on the Arishok's body. (at a great prize no doubt) That could've sparked the revolution in fact if Hawke had died on Ferelden.

And so on... Maybe only the Corypheus affair was a terrible mistake. But in the end, everything was just waiting to happen.... Hawke is way below the warden in the hero scale but it's not an instigator. Other actors like Anders, Isabela, Meredith and the Blood Magic Fever in the gallows were also present.

[caradoc2000]

Zack_Nero wrote...

In the Legacy DLC Hawke went to an ancient Gery Warden Prision and freed Corypheus.

Hawke killed Corypheus.

[Thomas Andresen]

TTTX wrote...

You forgot Hawke found the idol that made Merredith crazy which lead to the events that lead to the ending of DA2.

I think Meredith was plenty crazy even before she got her hands on the idol.

caradoc2000 wrote...

Zack_Nero wrote...

In the Legacy DLC Hawke went to an ancient Gery Warden Prision and freed Corypheus.

Hawke killed Corypheus.

Actually, that's rather in doubt.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:28 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

In some cases hawke did something good (almost never) and a lot of harm for others.This story would be without him and everything would go that same way or even better. Only thing positive about hawke is that if s/he helped mages s/he is symbol of hope and thats only because they don't know him/her and still failed to protect mages most of them died in ending.

especially in dlc hawke leads to disaster like releasingcorypheus or helping tallis to cause death of milions and hostility between orlais and kirkwall.

In other word hawke is failure hero.

caradoc2000 wrote...

Zack_Nero wrote...

In the Legacy DLC Hawke went to an ancient Gery Warden Prision and freed Corypheus.

Hawke killed Corypheus.

nope cory possessed grey warden (not our^_^) and escaped.

Morocco Mole wrote...

I can't recall a single good thing Hawke did.

He did in side quests (if you plaed as diplomatic at least) but his failures>>>>>success

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:46 .

[Reofeir]

Hawke wasn't really much of a hero, or at least he never set out to be one.
But like everyone else said, he just happened to be at the wrong place at the right time. Hawke tried to make a living in his life only for it to go bad.


...He did become friends with the true problems in the city however.

[Reofeir]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I can't recall a single good thing Hawke did.

Well, stopping the battle with the arishok was a good thing. Are we talking about big good things that effect many, or tiny things that help only a couple people each time?

[Reofeir]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Arishok was going to die anyway when the rest of Thedas saw what was up.

True, but how long is the question...there would probably be small debates here and there before something gets done. More lives were at least saved.

[JCAP]

Morrigan always said that chance is inevitable and it can be what the world really needs.

Maybe he did more good than we think.

[Ieldra]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Zack_Nero wrote...

In the Legacy DLC Hawke went to an ancient Gery Warden Prision and freed Corypheus.

Hawke killed Corypheus.

Actually, that's rather in doubt.

I treat such claims as similar to ME3's IT. There is literally no evidence at all that Corypheus didn't die.

[Reofeir]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

Zack_Nero wrote...

In the Legacy DLC Hawke went to an ancient Gery Warden Prision and freed Corypheus.

Hawke killed Corypheus.

Actually, that's rather in doubt.

I treat such claims as similar to ME3's IT. There is literally no evidence at all that Corypheus didn't die.

There is that evil grin...but other then that not much. We will see in DA:I or any later game.