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[Hazegurl]

Mage/templar war, all their fault. My Hawke worked with the Templars to squash it and only after being given no neutral choice.

Corypheus escaped cause he was clever no matter what choice Hawke made.

My Hawke ditched Talis and wanted nothing to do with her, the duke wouldn't let him leave so yeah.

My Hawke tried to report Anders more than once.

Hawke only wanted a better life for him and his family. it's all Bertrand's fault for what he did with the idol piece.

I can't think of a single thing my Hawke did to cause the problems to get worse.

[The Twilight God]

Biotic Sage wrote...

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To answer the question, Hawke was supposed to be a catalyst for inevitable events, so I don't know if he did harm or good that wouldn't have happened eventually anyway.  It's a great setup for DA:I though!

Umm... wasn't Anders the catalyst. Hawke was just some guy who killed a big Qunari. Outside of that (saving the city) he doesn't have much to do with the events concluding DA2 or the state of affairs in DA3.

Sounds like he did more in the DLC's than anything he did in the main game.

[Maria Caliban]

Zack_Nero wrote...

I might be missing a few, but these were the big ones that came to my mind.  So is Hawke really that helpful to begin with?

Nope. Hawke has probably caused more pain and suffering than anyone else in the current age. All without meaning to.

I greatly expect that whoever is behind the Veil tearing was empowered or freed by Hawke.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:09 .

[jones0901]

hawke didn't have as much agency as the warden. he was really just there. but yes, he does more harm.

[Karlone123]

Taleroth wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Hawke should've let the Arishok take Kirkwall. That way Meredith, Orsino and Ander would have never had their stupid moments in Act 3.

That could have sparked a continental reaction from other nations seeing it as an act of an invasion by the Qunari.

So you're saying there would have been a war? Whew, glad he stopped that. Wouldn't want a war to be going on.

That would have been something we all would have liked, if a Qunari invasion force was shown in the same manner as the witcher 2 ending.

[Zack_Nero]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Zack_Nero wrote...

I might be missing a few, but these were the big ones that came to my mind.  So is Hawke really that helpful to begin with?

Nope. Hawke has probably caused more pain and suffering than anyone else in the current age. All without meaning to.

I greatly expect that whoever is behind the Veil tearing was empowered or freed by Hawke.

It won't surprise me that much

[Angrywolves]

No it was inevitable.

[Adanu]

Plaintiff wrote...

TTTX wrote...

You forgot Hawke found the idol that made Merredith crazy which lead to the events that lead to the ending of DA2.

Which could've happened easily enough without Hawke's involvement. If he'd turned down Varric's offer, Varric could've found another relatively competent warrior.

Going to have to disagree on this. Anyone besides Hawke (and a party of that caliber) would probably have been screwed trying to deal with the tunnel collapse (dragon anyone?), and would definitely not have survived the rock wraith.

[lady_v23]

*rolls eyes* another thread complaining about Hawke..

Hawke didn't make anything worse. Because all the things that happened. (quanari, meredith going crazier, the mages rebelling) would have happened one way or another. Hawke was just there, trying to help hers/his family. and I think hawke accelerated the process but It would have happened anyway.

[lady_v23]

Adanu wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

TTTX wrote...

You forgot Hawke found the idol that made Merredith crazy which lead to the events that lead to the ending of DA2.

Which could've happened easily enough without Hawke's involvement. If he'd turned down Varric's offer, Varric could've found another relatively competent warrior.

Going to have to disagree on this. Anyone besides Hawke (and a party of that caliber) would probably have been screwed trying to deal with the tunnel collapse (dragon anyone?), and would definitely not have survived the rock wraith.

says who?  Who said Varric would not have found someone else?  Hawke when he/she went to the deep roads was pretty much a sword for hire.  Not the unbeatable champion of kirkwall, defeater of quanari.

[RavenScath]

Honestly you can't only blame Hawke. I mean if Loghain didn't betray Cailan the Darkspawn might not of even made it to Lothering. If it weren't for Orlais, Loghain wouldn't of be paranoid. If it weren't for Fleets, Hawke would've been dead. If Varric didn't meet Hawke, then she wouldn't of been able to go into the Deep Roads. Janeka was bound to release Corypheus anyways. And Talis would of found someone else anyways, she just needed someone good at getting things done. So in conclusion it's everyone's fault.

[RavenScath]

*Flemeth

[Ruairi46]

Taleroth wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Hawke should've let the Arishok take Kirkwall. That way Meredith, Orsino and Ander would have never had their stupid moments in Act 3.

That could have sparked a continental reaction from other nations seeing it as an act of an invasion by the Qunari.

So you're saying there would have been a war? Whew, glad he stopped that. Wouldn't want a war to be going on.

This made me chuckle 

[Zack_Nero]

lady_v23 wrote...



*rolls eyes* another thread complaining about Hawke..

Hawke didn't make anything worse. Because all the things that happened. (quanari, meredith going crazier, the mages rebelling) would have happened one way or another. Hawke was just there, trying to help hers/his family. and I think hawke accelerated the process but It would have happened anyway.

Okay, I didn't know that there were other threads complaining about Hawke, so sorry about that.  And am sure a lot of people can agree that those thing would of eventually happened.  Am just saying did he cause more of it, or it to just happen faster.  Like if he/she didn't give Anders motive to fight for his cause.  He would got caught by the templars when they first meant to and it would of been a different mage to cause the trouble.  Also I want to say again if you let Anders live Sebastian will rasie an army for just one man.  Also Corypheus is freed.  Yes it would of evenutally happened, but I might of cause more then enough problems to happen.

[Shadow Fox]

The Warden can choose to spare Avernus and the Architect and give an amoral witch a god baby.

Those are worse then Hawke's screw ups.

[lady_v23]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Warden can choose to spare Avernus and the Architect and give an amoral witch a god baby.

Those are worse then Hawke's screw ups.

omg.  Thank you.

[Zack_Nero]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Warden can choose to spare Avernus and the Architect and give an amoral witch a god baby.

Those are worse then Hawke's screw ups.

Yea, those are good points. 

[Rawgrim]

Hawke did nothing. He was just present when stuff happened around him.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Warden can choose to spare Avernus and the Architect and give an amoral witch a god baby.

Those are worse then Hawke's screw ups.

Yeah, but the Warden can also CHOOSE to not do any of the choices you listed. That's the difference between the two. Hawke just plain screws up no matter what.

Modifié par The Six Path of Pain, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:20 .

[TK514]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Warden can choose to spare Avernus and the Architect and give an amoral witch a god baby.

Those are worse then Hawke's screw ups.

Yeah, but the Warden can also CHOOSE to not do any of the choices you listed. That's the difference between the two. Hawke just plain screws up no matter what.

which is the fault of the developers, not the character.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I think Hawke did the best he/she could

Kirkwall was a powder keg, and Hawke was the unfortunate fuse

[The Six Path of Pain]

TK514 wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Warden can choose to spare Avernus and the Architect and give an amoral witch a god baby.

Those are worse then Hawke's screw ups.

Yeah, but the Warden can also CHOOSE to not do any of the choices you listed. That's the difference between the two. Hawke just plain screws up no matter what.

which is the fault of the developers, not the character.

No S**t Dude <_<

[Killdren88]

IMO Hawke was just minding His/her business trying to support the family. It was everyone else dragging Hawke into everything else and was blamed for it.