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[Taleroth]

In Exile wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
The mages wouldn't have taken control. The rebellion was jointly run between Templars and Mages. It was a pro-circle Rebellion that was strictly against Meredith's excesses. It wasn't Tevinter.

It was a blood mage led rebellion controlled by an abomination. The templars were mind-controlled. It would have turned into the Circle Tower had Uldred won.

Thrask was the leader of the rebellion. The Templars were not mind-controlled, just idiots.

leaguer of one wrote...

 The fact allow a city is taken control of by mages is enough. .

Which is precisely what I said wasn't happening. It was being run by Templars.

Modifié par Taleroth, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:26 .

[In Exile]

Taleroth wrote...
 Thrask was the leader of the rebellion. The Templars were not mind-controlled, just idiots.

Thrask was mind controlled by Grace the second he stepped out of line. They were thralls or soon-to-be thralls.

Which is precisely what I said wasn't happening. It was being run by Templars.

My favourite part of how it was run by templars was the part where the blood mages mind controlled their supposed leader the second he stepped out of line. 

Modifié par In Exile, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:27 .

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
 Thrask was the leader of the rebellion. The Templars were not mind-controlled, just idiots.

Thrask was mind controlled by Grace the second he stepped out of line. They were thralls or soon-to-be thralls.

Which is precisely what I said wasn't happening. It was being run by Templars.

My favourite part of how it was run by templars was the part where the blood mages mind controlled their supposed leader the second he stepped out of line. 

1. So a thrall will tell it's master they are out of line and they need to stop fighting? Please, he was no thrall. If it were true grace would have no need to kill him and just turned him ageinst hawk.

2.More like they killed him because he did not agree.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:31 .

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
1. So a thrall will tell it's master they are out of line and they need to stop fighting? Please, he was no thrall. If it were true grace would have no need to kill him and just turned him ageinst hawk.

Grace mind-controlled him. Thrask's influence amounted to some hot air before his death gurgle.

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
1. So a thrall will tell it's master they are out of line and they need to stop fighting? Please, he was no thrall. If it were true grace would have no need to kill him and just turned him ageinst hawk.

Grace mind-controlled him. Thrask's influence amounted to some hot air before his death gurgle.

A thrall does not disobay and tell you to stop. If he was a thrall she would of just mind controll him to do as she said not kill him.

[In Exile]

leaguer of one wrote...
A thrall does not disobay and tell you to stop. If he was a thrall she would of just mind controll him to do as she said not kill him. 

When she executed him, every single person with her there moved to kill Hawke on her command. Pretending that Thrask had any actual involvement in this thing is silly. 

Even if I agree that Thrask organized this rebellion of his own volition, he wasn't in control of any part of it. 

Modifié par In Exile, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:39 .

[leaguer of one]

In Exile wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
A thrall does not disobay and tell you to stop. If he was a thrall she would of just mind controll him to do as she said not kill him. 

When she executed him, every single person with her there moved to kill Hawke on her command. Pretending that Thrask had any actual involvement in this thing is silly. 

Even if I agree that Thrask organized this rebellion of his own volition, he wasn't in control of any part of it. 

I can agree that the other tempars in that fight were mind controled but we don't have an understand to when.

Reguardless to how you cut it Thrask did start it but did not realised how out of his control it became. Add that fact the Grace did not just make him attack Hawke makes it clear he is not a Thrall.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

The Warden can choose to spare Avernus and the Architect and give an amoral witch a god baby.

Those are worse then Hawke's screw ups.

Yeah, but the Warden can also CHOOSE to not do any of the choices you listed. That's the difference between the two. Hawke just plain screws up no matter what.

Outside of possibly releasing an Ancient Darkspawn Hawke's screw ups were marginal at best.

You forget about the scroll containing the list of Qunari spies, and Hawke did nothing as Tallis skiped on out of Orlais. That's a pretty big one as well.

That's if you helped her otherwise Hawke can try to stop her.

What game were you playing exactly? As I recall even if you demand that she give you the scroll she just says no, and walks off as Hawke just stands there like the momo that he/she is. <_<

[Zu Long]

For me, Hawke was ultimately a force for good. She might not have been able to stop anything that happened, but she wasn't to blame for any of it either. In my playthrough, at least, everything that happened would still have happened, but with far more loss of life.

[Aaleel]

There were two problems with Hawke.

1) Just in the wrong place at the wrong time all the time. The John McClane only minus the saving the day.
2) Writers wrote Hawke to do some stupid unalterable things.

I think Hawke did help some situations (ex Arishok) saved the lives that would have been lost before forces arrived in Kirkwall to deal with him. But Hawke made a lot of situations worse as well.

[Ozzy]

Yeah, some of the hate that Hawke is a bit silly. The character that I played was trying to do his best in a crazy situation. He wasn't omniscient and he ultimately ended up helping Kirkwall. A lot of situations would have happened regardless of his participation but their ultimate resolution was definitely due to his presence and skill.

The lyrium idol would have gotten out regardless but he was there to first destroy the idol and then kill Meredith. The Qunari would have eventually got fed up and started their conquest but Hawke's influence convinced Isabela to return with their Tome before he slew the Arishok in single combat. Sure, there were situations where he could have intervened but didn't (ie Huon the blood mage elf killing his wife while Hawke stands around like a ******) but that's a failing of the writing/cinematics which either should have provided a compelling reason he couldn't save the woman or portrayed it as such.

[TK514]

MasterScribe wrote...

I don't even think we can confirm Hawke's existence.

Varric and the Merchant Guild probably made him or her up.

every Noble in Kirkwall, the city records, the survivors of the Kirkwall Mage/Templar conflict, the Qunari, the survivors of Lothering, members of the Orlesian nobility, members of the Orlesian Chantry, including a Hand of the Devine, and the Grey Wardens can all corroborate Hawke's existence.  And that's just off the top of my head.

[Zack_Nero]

TK514 wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I don't even think we can confirm Hawke's existence.

Varric and the Merchant Guild probably made him or her up.

every Noble in Kirkwall, the city records, the survivors of the Kirkwall Mage/Templar conflict, the Qunari, the survivors of Lothering, members of the Orlesian nobility, members of the Orlesian Chantry, including a Hand of the Devine, and the Grey Wardens can all corroborate Hawke's existence.  And that's just off the top of my head.

That is a lot of connections for one single perosn to have.  That is for certain.  I don't even think that the Hero fo Ferelden had that many connections.