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[Former_Fiend]

 I understand the OGB isn't necessarily canon. You didn't do the ritual, no baby, got that.

But I don't want to have done the ritual only for a promising plotline with huge potential impact to be reduced to an arbitrary number on an "asset" list. 

Either way, they're going to be pandering to one demographic or the other; either they're pandering to the people who didn't do the ritual by making it nothing or they're pandering to the people who did by making it something. I'm not making excuses or justifications; I'm shamelessly asking them to pander to my ritual-doing demographic. 

[Kaiser of Hearts]

ME3 in general is guilty of waving away player decisions. Hopefully they've learned and don't mind making large content that might not be seen.

[Plaintiff]

There's a lot of promising plotlines they could exploit. It's doubtful that they'll ever get around to all of them.

[The Elder King]

Laidlaw said in the podcast that they're not afraid of making contents that you might not see depending of your import.
That doesn't mean that the possible esclusive content has a big role in the game.

Modifié par hhh89, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:10 .

[YourFunnyUncle]

Kaiser of Hearts wrote...

ME3 in general is guilty of waving away player decisions. Hopefully they've learned and don't mind making large content that might not be seen.

If Mike Laidlaw is to be believed then that's exactly what they've been doing. The proof will come in the finished game...

[Ieldra]

LOL....that would be hilarious....if you didn't do the Dark Ritual the writers are going to pull another old god child out of their asses.

Needless to say, if they're going to do that they deserve the reaction. But I really don't think so. Nobody could be *that* stupid after the reaction to ME3's Rachni scenario - and after Mike Laidlaw's assertion that they're not afraid of content not everyone will see.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:12 .

[Former_Fiend]

Kaiser of Hearts wrote...

ME3 in general is guilty of waving away player decisions. Hopefully they've learned and don't mind making large content that might not be seen.

I do hope so. 

There's a lot of promising plotlines they could exploit. It's doubtful that they'll ever get around to all of them.

True and fair enough. But this isn't a minor thing. This isn't even a semi-major thing like "Is Connor possessed or not" or what's up with Feynriel. The climax of the game hinged on this. 

I think Rachni Queen was a poor comparison. Collector base would be better. Built up as a huge decision as to whether to destroy or salvage it, and in the end the differences is fifty arbitrary points on a list.

[KiwiQuiche]

They got a good burn via DA2 then ME3 so hopefully they won't play with that brand of fire again.

[Gill Kaiser]

I think it just depends on how many people did what.

With ME3 the issue was that nobody who didn't play ME1 even had the option of saving the Rachni, but ME2 was where the series became massively popular. Even then, not everybody chose to save them, and it was only one of many big choices.

Regarding the OGB, everyone who played DA:O got the option, it directly related to the climax of the game and the PC's survival, and I think most people chose to do it. DA:O was the more successful game, so more people will have made the choice. These factors make it more worthwhile for Bioware to spend more on it.

[Jaison1986]

I don't know, something tells me the witch hunt decision might play an important role, such as the OGB personality being much different if he had an father figure as he grew up.

[Taleroth]

I think people overvalue the child. It's not the messiah, it's not not the anti-maker. It's a human wildlife preserve.

[Navasha]

Well, I think the Dragon Age Keep, will actually encourage them to make large content for some of these plotlines. Even if someone didn't do the DR two games ago, they can always easily change it now with the keep to see that content.

This vastly increases the number of players who could potentially have access to that content now.

[Reofeir]

Is that child all so important anyways? I honestly will never see it end up having it a "HUGE EFFECT" on later games. It might end up adding some interesting flavor and maybe a few sidequests here and there, but other then that I don't see it ever becoming as big as people hope it to be.

[Former_Fiend]

Zenor wrote...

Is that child all so important anyways? I honestly will never see it end up having it a "HUGE EFFECT" on later games. It might end up adding some interesting flavor and maybe a few sidequests here and there, but other then that I don't see it ever becoming as big as people hope it to be.

Ultimately it's as important or unimportant as the writers decide it will be. I don't have any illusions about that.

I would personally prefer it be an important thing, and am voicing that preference here. I'm not even saying I want the kid to be something like Taleroth described, a "messiah" or "anti-maker". That would be going too far with me.

But I want the kid to have an impact. I want him to be a major player. I want him to be part of what is happening to the world and I want the world to be noticably different because of him and his actions. 

That's what I what and that's what I would do if I had any sort of creative control of the situation. Alas, that is not the case. 

Like I said, I'm shamelessly asking bioware to go with my preference of what I think would make for a better story. Other's might disagree and if bioware goes with them, that's fine, chips fall where they will. This is by no means a deal breaker for me.

[Splinter Cell 108]

simfamSP wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Laidlaw said in the podcast that they're not afraid of making contents that you might not see depending of your import.
That doesn't mean that the possible esclusive content has a big role in the game.

I'm not calling him a liar, but we all know how... exciting, BioWare PR can sound.

I'm going to agree with this. They also said a lot of things about ME3 which weren't quite true, I don't think the "it's another team thing" they said that about ME3 too when people raised concerns about DA2. 

[azarhal]

Zenor wrote...

Is that child all so important anyways? I honestly will never see it end up having it a "HUGE EFFECT" on later games. It might end up adding some interesting flavor and maybe a few sidequests here and there, but other then that I don't see it ever becoming as big as people hope it to be.

Default canon is the Ultimate Sacrifice, I think it tells you all you need to know about the importance of the OGB in the grand storyline of Thedas.

[Former_Fiend]

azarhal wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Is that child all so important anyways? I honestly will never see it end up having it a "HUGE EFFECT" on later games. It might end up adding some interesting flavor and maybe a few sidequests here and there, but other then that I don't see it ever becoming as big as people hope it to be.

Default canon is the Ultimate Sacrifice, I think it tells you all you need to know about the importance of the OGB in the grand storyline of Thedas.

Of the three background options for DA2, the default was the Hero of Ferelden where a Cousland warden performed the ritual. The other two, labeled "presets" had Loghain sacrificing himself and a dailish warden sacrificing herself. 

I'd imagine they're going with Ultimate Sacrifice for the books/comics because it gives them an excuse to focus on Alistair instead of the warden.

[teenparty]

Taleroth wrote...

I think people overvalue the child. It's not the messiah, it's not not the anti-maker. It's a human wildlife preserve.

Morrigan seems to think the child is the messiah.

[mikeymoonshine]

I assume that if the child factors into the plot it will just be different for people who didn't do the ritual all that means is the child's existence or lack of existence cannot be necessary to the plot doesn't mean they won't play a big part. Maybe there is something the child can do that if he doesn't exits you will have to find another way to do or not to do.

To be honest though I am kinda sick of special children in games it would be nice for him to be involved for my characters who did do it and It would be nice to hear that the warden did at least get to meet the kid but I don't really care about him that much.

[mikeymoonshine]

Former_Fiend wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Is that child all so important anyways? I honestly will never see it end up having it a "HUGE EFFECT" on later games. It might end up adding some interesting flavor and maybe a few sidequests here and there, but other then that I don't see it ever becoming as big as people hope it to be.

Default canon is the Ultimate Sacrifice, I think it tells you all you need to know about the importance of the OGB in the grand storyline of Thedas.

Of the three background options for DA2, the default was the Hero of Ferelden where a Cousland warden performed the ritual. The other two, labeled "presets" had Loghain sacrificing himself and a dailish warden sacrificing herself. 

I'd imagine they're going with Ultimate Sacrifice for the books/comics because it gives them an excuse to focus on Alistair instead of the warden.

Laidlaw said the default for Inquisition without the keep or a few story tweeks that you can apparently make will be without the child.

[jones0901]

I also hope they don't abandon this plotline. I cant think of anything like this in another game. maybe they could say morrigan slept with riordan

[Former_Fiend]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Zenor wrote...

Is that child all so important anyways? I honestly will never see it end up having it a "HUGE EFFECT" on later games. It might end up adding some interesting flavor and maybe a few sidequests here and there, but other then that I don't see it ever becoming as big as people hope it to be.

Default canon is the Ultimate Sacrifice, I think it tells you all you need to know about the importance of the OGB in the grand storyline of Thedas.

Of the three background options for DA2, the default was the Hero of Ferelden where a Cousland warden performed the ritual. The other two, labeled "presets" had Loghain sacrificing himself and a dailish warden sacrificing herself. 

I'd imagine they're going with Ultimate Sacrifice for the books/comics because it gives them an excuse to focus on Alistair instead of the warden.

Laidlaw said the default for Inquisition without the keep or a few story tweeks that you can apparently make will be without the child.

This saddens me.

On the other hand, for all ME's faillings in this regard, Wrex was dead in the default for ME2 and him being alive had a fairly major impact on ME3's plot, so maybe there's hope. 

At any rate I'm going to be using the keep to make sure that ritual happened in all of my playthroughs.

[Former_Fiend]

jones0901 wrote...

I also hope they don't abandon this plotline. I cant think of anything like this in another game. maybe they could say morrigan slept with riordan

Morrigan explicitly says that it wouldn't work with Riordan because he's been tainted so long.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

OGB will not be in the game if you didn't do it. David Gaider has said it again and again.

And frankly, all the excuses people give of ways for Morrigan to have a OGB in playthroughs where we did the ultimate sacrifice sound pretty weak anyway.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 06 septembre 2013 - 02:03 .