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[Ieldra]

As for the age thing: remember that the eluvian in Witch Hunt goes to a place beyond Thedas. It's quite possible that the timeflow is different there. IMO the child can be any age.

[Dave of Canada]

Master Che wrote...

It may not be OGB which changes the direction of the story in DA:I. It could be the Warden...

Technically, a dead Warden still exists with the Orlesian Warden.

Ieldra2 wrote...

As for the age thing: remember that the eluvian in Witch Hunt goes to a place beyond Thedas. It's quite possible that the timeflow is different there. IMO the child can be any age.

Confirmed image of beyond the Fade.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:38 .

[macrocarl]

You folks who are making broad accusations that ME3 took away players' decisions are straight up crazy.

[NM_Che56]

riccaborto wrote...

He's not going to be the next Rachni Queen............................................

He's going to be the next Collector's base ahahahahaahah

"You owe back child support, you deadbeat"




BOOM! "There's always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city..."

[NM_Che56]

macrocarl wrote...

You folks who are making broad accusations that ME3 took away players' decisions are straight up crazy.

Either run or get a fire rune in your shield...now.

[macrocarl]

Master Che wrote...

macrocarl wrote...

You folks who are making broad accusations that ME3 took away players' decisions are straight up crazy.

Either run or get a fire rune in your shield...now.

Hah! I got a magic shield of 'my give a damn is busted +4 against BSN drama'. I never leave the rest of the internet without it

[Wulfram]

I think the thing with ME3 was that they put an awful lot of resources into dealing with all the possible people who were dead, but not very much into the choices that felt like really big ones when you were making them in the previous game.

Which I sort of feel is the wrong way around, though it's also probably inevitable - there's a limited amount of resources, so the stuff that has an impact is the stuff that has to have an impact and everything else get's written around.

[Taleroth]

Wulfram wrote...

I think the thing with ME3 was that they put an awful lot of resources into dealing with all the possible people who were dead, but not very much into the choices that felt like really big ones when you were making them in the previous game.

Which I sort of feel is the wrong way around, though it's also probably inevitable - there's a limited amount of resources, so the stuff that has an impact is the stuff that has to have an impact and everything else get's written around.

The problem with the Rachni Queen isn't that we felt like it would be a big choice. It's that they told us it was a big choice.

It's reiterated in Mass Effect 2 that they'll help battle the Reapers.
Then just a few weeks before Mass Effect 3's release, we're straight told that the Rachni have a big effect in the final battle.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

mikeymoonshine wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Trafalgar-Law wrote...
Meh, I think the GB will simply being an expendable Mage minion that Morrigan will send after us after we got close to intefering with her plans. Should a player being playing on an import where they didnt' do the DR, Morrigan will instead send an expendable Pride Demon after us. Same result. Same outcome. Only difference is two or three lines of dialogue.

13 year old children make the best assassins.

His actually 9 or 10.

Inquisition is meant to be like 3 years after DA2. He would probably be about 12 by then. 

DAO took place in 9:30. DA2 ended in 9:37. DAI is set in 9:40.

Woulldn't it still be 9 or 10?

[Taleroth]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

DAI is set in 9:40.

Asunder is set in the latter part of 9:40. Unless you wish to claim that Inquisition is happening at the same time.

Cassandra doesn't even interrogate Varric until 9:41.

Modifié par Taleroth, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:02 .

[NM_Che56]

There were a few key problems related to ME3:

1) Too much talking about what we can expect to see from Bioware. It got hyped too much. This lead to...
2) People's imaginations and expectations running wild! Everyone clung to every word that the dev team uttered and it just fueled the expectation to a level that was only bound to be left wanting at the end.

With the endings, people expected that we would get the whole 31 flavors from Baskin Robbins. Rocky Road, Mint Chocolate Cookie, Blueberry Cheesecake, etc.

Instead, we got Vanilla, French Vanilla, Vanilla Bean, Choclate, Double Chocolate, Strawberry and Neapolitan...aaaaand a sorbet for those who didn't want ice cream (LULZ).

Mike Laidlaw has all but said, "nope. we're playing this as close to the vest as possible. We're not going to let the game collapse under the weight of fan expecations".. I'm paraphrasing, of course. But he is being very cautious about how much info he's giving.

[Ieldra]

Wulfram wrote...
I think the thing with ME3 was that they put an awful lot of resources into dealing with all the possible people who were dead, but not very much into the choices that felt like really big ones when you were making them in the previous game.

Which I sort of feel is the wrong way around, though it's also probably inevitable - there's a limited amount of resources, so the stuff that has an impact is the stuff that has to have an impact and everything else get's written around.

I've put it like this:

The consequences of decisions made in past games are inversely proportional to their importance. Which is not a good way to deal with these things.

[MWImexico]

At the very least, I hope to see a significant impact on the personalities of the people who are supposed to care about the OGB. For exemple, Morrigan should not be exactly the same if she is a mother or not. I wish to be able to witness that.

But this is a difficult question nonetheless. Nobody wants to feel punished for chosing to do the DR or not. Yet I don't wish the OGB to be evil, that would be very disapointing. But if the OGB is not evil, the poeple who refused the ritual might think their sacrifice is vain.

[mikeymoonshine]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

mikeymoonshine wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Trafalgar-Law wrote...
Meh, I think the GB will simply being an expendable Mage minion that Morrigan will send after us after we got close to intefering with her plans. Should a player being playing on an import where they didnt' do the DR, Morrigan will instead send an expendable Pride Demon after us. Same result. Same outcome. Only difference is two or three lines of dialogue.

13 year old children make the best assassins.

His actually 9 or 10.

Inquisition is meant to be like 3 years after DA2. He would probably be about 12 by then. 

DAO took place in 9:30. DA2 ended in 9:37. DAI is set in 9:40.

Woulldn't it still be 9 or 10?

Tbh I didn't think about the dates I just assumed that morrigan gets preggers at pretty much the end of origins. then there is 9 years in kirkwall coz the first year is the same year origins is set in? Then three yeats which would make him about 12. 

But then I forgot there would be nine months of pregnancy so he could be 11 I guess. 

meh I dunno how old he is and I suck at maths but the point is he is still a kid no older than 13. 

[mikeymoonshine]

Do we know weather it's 3 years after DA2 or three years after the interrogation?

[azarhal]

Taleroth wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

DAI is set in 9:40.

Asunder is set in the latter part of 9:40. Unless you wish to claim that Inquisition is happening at the same time.

Cassandra doesn't even interrogate Varric until 9:41.

Cassandra interrogating Varric is in 9:40, it's the last entry on World of Thedas timeline.

[Eveangaline]

Former_Fiend wrote...

 I understand the OGB isn't necessarily canon. You didn't do the ritual, no baby, got that.

But I don't want to have done the ritual only for a promising plotline with huge potential impact to be reduced to an arbitrary number on an "asset" list. 

Either way, they're going to be pandering to one demographic or the other; either they're pandering to the people who didn't do the ritual by making it nothing or they're pandering to the people who did by making it something. I'm not making excuses or justifications; I'm shamelessly asking them to pander to my ritual-doing demographic. 

Or maybe it was only a promising plotline in your head and it was just supposed to be an out so no warden had to die. They're not pandering to anyone if they just don't care about the OGB.

[Ieldra]

As I see it, the Old God Child should have a positive effect on the goals of those who are likely to do the DR, while in games of those unlikely to do the DR, the absence of the Old God Child should have a positive effect.

In order to operationalize that, let's see what's associated with the DR:

*Anti-Chantry, because a devout Andrastean would rather destroy the essence of an Old God.
*Pragmatism, because you risk an uncertain outcome to avoid a certain negative.
*Denying the taboo/sacred, since you are willing to manipulate the stuff of life.

I don't know about others, but to me this sounds like a pro-mage profile. Which could mean that a surviving Old God Child will benefit the mage faction, while its absence will benefit the templar faction. Maybe there are more factions, too. What do others associate with the Dark Ritual? Maybe we'll get a more complete picture if we pool our associations.

[Mikoto8472]

A shame the child is so young in Inquisition.

If he were old enough I'd have proposed the solution of having Morrigan's son be a companion. If she got pregnant by the Warden without doing the Dark Ritual, he's a normal mage companion. If Morrigan wasn't romanced then at some point after Origins she got pregnant by another man. Both of these cover some options. He'd have to strongly resemble her to get around the issue of the father.

But if the Dark Ritual was done then he's the Warden/Alistair/Loghain's son and has the soul of an Old God. In which case he has a few extra talents/spells to mark that.

It could have been an interesting compromise.

[Ieldra]

Mikoto8472 wrote...
A shame the child is so young in Inquisition.

As I said, it's quite possible that Morrigan has spent time in the "place beyond Thedas" where timeflow is different. The child may be older than we'd think.

[Angrywolves]

Another comparison to ME.
They are separate teams.
Are they even based in the same city? I don't think so.
We know mistakes were made with the Mass Effect series.
We can't assume Gaider , Laidlaw, Flynn, Darrah, would ever want to make the same mistakes.

[Xenomorphine]

Jaison1986 wrote...

I don't know, something tells me the witch hunt decision might play an important role, such as the OGB personality being much different if he had an father figure as he grew up.

Not all of us played a male Warden. To this day, I've yet to. Even when female Wardens talk Alistair into going throught he ritual, we don't get the option to travel through the portal with Morrigan, regardless of whether you came to view one another as true friends (which saddened me, no end).

Bioware forcing that to be a series-altering decision would be... Poor form.

Besides which, from what I remember, Morrigan isn't 'playing mother'. She gave the child to another family to raise. There aren't even any indications the child knows anything about her. Most likely, she gave birth, put the child somewhere she knew it would be loved and safe and then decided to observe matters from afar.

I know there's a ton of fan-art out there, depicting her as being this amazingly dutiful and loving mother, but it's a very unlikely set of circumstances, given her final dialogue and how twisted we know her own impressions of a mother figure were.

I'm a little amused, however, that this could some day lead to Morrigan going full-on Darth Vader and dramatically revealing to someone, "I... Am your mother."

Modifié par Xenomorphine, 07 septembre 2013 - 01:39 .

[Former_Fiend]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

I'm shamelessly asking them to pander to my ritual-doing demographic. 

I feel like this disclaimer or something like it should be a mandatory attachment to pretty much every post on the BSN.

What can I say? I am nothing if not an honest man.

[Sifr]

Xenomorphine wrote...

Besides which, from what I remember, Morrigan isn't 'playing mother'. She gave the child to another family to raise. There aren't even any indications the child knows anything about her. Most likely, she gave birth, put the child somewhere she knew it would be loved and safe and then decided to observe matters from afar.

I know there's a ton of fan-art out there, depicting her as being this amazingly dutiful and loving mother, but it's a very unlikely set of circumstances, given her final dialogue and how twisted we know her own impressions of a mother figure were.

Where was this said? Are you telling me that Morrigan is going to be foolish enough to let a child with the power of a Old God behind it grow up without her involvement? Wasn't having the child the entire point?!

I dunno, that seems really out of character for her.

And surely Morrigan would indeed prove to be a better - if quirky and rough around the edges - mother than Flemeth? Particularly with a romanced Warden who went with her, since they tend to bring out her better qualities?

[Former_Fiend]

Yea, I don't remember that, either. In fact I'm pretty sure Morrigan said she'd be raising the child in as close to isolation as possible so there'd be no influences on him other than her.