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[trying_touch]

If you the Warden kills Morrigan at the end of the DLC, will she still appear in DA:I?

Also, who's been raising her child this whole flippin' time (if that's the case)?

[Chari]

If they do it, I demand the Warden to come back from the grave. Or Loghain or Alistair

[Former_Fiend]

trying_touch wrote...

If you the Warden kills Morrigan at the end of the DLC, will she still appear in DA:I?

Also, who's been raising her child this whole flippin' time (if that's the case)?

To be fair, her death was always ambiguous. She gets stabbed with the Murder Knife and falls back into the portal. For all we know she fell back right into a healing spell.

[Rolling Flame]

trying_touch wrote...

If you the Warden kills Morrigan at the end of the DLC, will she still appear in DA:I?

Also, who's been raising her child this whole flippin' time (if that's the case)?

Who said she died?

[Maconbar]

Just to add my two cents... It seems that it would be bad for both the DR choosers and the UT choosers if the OGB turned out to be an unimportant story line. For those that picked the DR option, an unimportant OGB makes the choice close to a get out of jail free card. For those that selected the UT option, having the OGB be some relatively unimportant being makes the sacrifice seem more of a bad idea, at least to me. I never selected the UT option because I internalized this as opting to let my soul be destroyed for eternity. I will admit that this is possibly incorrect in this setting.

I know that it is challenging for the writers but I most enjoy Thedas for the lore and because I can play the games like they are a series of Choose Your Own Adventure games. I still like to debate the Harrowmont/Bhelen, Anvil, and Geth Heretic choice.

[Ieldra]

I think ME's Tuchanka story arc handled this extremely well: if you played consequently anti-krogan, you'd get Wreav in charge and Bakara dies, and it's clearly hinted that curing the genophage is a bad idea in those circumstances. If you played pro-krogan (or at least anti-genophage), then you'd get Wrex and Bakara leading the krogan, and it's heavily hinted that curing the genophage is good in these circumstances.

How this could work in DAI? Well, let's say the OGB strengthens a specific faction in the conflict, one that could be either your ally or your enemy depending on some big decision you make during the game. For those who make that decision in favor of that faction, having the OGB would be good, while for those who make it the other way, it would be bad, in a similar way that in ME3, having Wrex alive is bad if you want to sabotage the cure, and good if you want to cure the genophage.

What kind of faction would this be? It would be one which thinks that keeping the essence of an Old God around is desirable, so it's definitely not affiliated with the Chantry. Which means that for those who play consistently pro-Chantry, having no OGB around would be desirable. This is good since if you play consistently pro-Chantry and play your philosophy consistently through both previous DA games, then your Warden likely didn't do the Dark Ritual.

I can't speculate further since we don't know all the factions in DAI, but I think they'll use this kind of logic.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2013 - 12:47 .

[MWImexico]

Rolling Flame wrote...

trying_touch wrote...

If you the Warden kills Morrigan at the end of the DLC, will she still appear in DA:I?

Also, who's been raising her child this whole flippin' time (if that's the case)?

Who said she died?

If she survives after that, I think she will become more hardened and disapointed by people in general. This could have an impact on the child's education. Plus, in DA:I she'll probably want to hide from Flemeth and from the warden.

But to come back on topic, personaly when I choose to perform the DR it is not only to save my warden (or Alistair) but also because, I have no guarantee at this moment that the child will become evil or a big threat for Thedas. He could become neutral, depanding on the type of education Morrigan will provide, I suppose. More interestingly, he could also become a source of informations, about the old gods, the blights and about what realy happened in the far past. This makes it worth trying, I think, knowin that those informations placed on the wrong hands could also happen to be dreadful.

Ieldra2 : about the pro-chantry thing, I don't know, I've got two chantrist (?) wardens who did the DR (and a Dalish who didn't in fact). I mean they are not pro-chantry but they believe in the maker like a lot of people in Thedas. Also, I think only a few people will reconise themselves as pure pro-chantry.

[Kingthlayer]

Personally I'm seeing the OGB as an enemy in a side mission, this way they can have him in the game, and then don't have to worry about him being alive in later games. Get rid of the abomination.

[Former_Fiend]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Personally I'm seeing the OGB as an enemy in a side mission, this way they can have him in the game, and then don't have to worry about him being alive in later games. Get rid of the abomination.

I really wouldn't want to be my inquisitor after my warden finds out he killed his kid.

[Angrywolves]

Like Cameron Lee said in a recent interview , Bioware intends to make Morrigan appear more human in DAI.
I believe the stabbing was a red herring and won't have any effect on her behavior in DAI.
I think the ME comparison is a crck. Players who did the dr will see OGB, apparently it's more than just a cameo as Bioware seems to be hush hush about it now.
But I doubt it will be earthshaking.

[Estelindis]

Former_Fiend wrote...

 I understand the OGB isn't necessarily canon. You didn't do the ritual, no baby, got that.

But I don't want to have done the ritual only for a promising plotline with huge potential impact to be reduced to an arbitrary number on an "asset" list. 

Either way, they're going to be pandering to one demographic or the other; either they're pandering to the people who didn't do the ritual by making it nothing or they're pandering to the people who did by making it something. I'm not making excuses or justifications; I'm shamelessly asking them to pander to my ritual-doing demographic. 

I don't think that they necessarily have to pander to one side or another.  They can effectively pander to everyone by having both sides give a significant benefit and drawback.  Doing the ritual or refusing it will thus have an important impact either way.

Personally, this is one decision that I really want to matter.  It's one of the few situations in DA:O where I still don't know what my Warden should have done.  I've spent a lot of time thinking about the problem from every side that I can.  I'd want all of that to actually be for a purpose.

[Angrywolves]

The idea the OGB is some major enemy in DAI is absurd.
He's only 10 years old.

[Former_Fiend]

Angrywolves wrote...

The idea the OGB is some major enemy in DAI is absurd.
He's only 10 years old.

I actually agree and don't necessarily want the impact of the OGB to be felt in Inquisition- though I feel given Morrigan's involvment, he's going to have to play some part, even if it's a cameo.

But when the time for payoff comes, I want there to actually be some pay off.

[MWImexico]

At worst, I rather get bad consequences than none. Let's hope though that, whatever they decides, the story will be both interesting and credible. And that the people who did the DR (warden, alistair or loghain) will be directly concerned / involved, if possible I would like that.

[TK514]

I wouldn't shed a tear if the OGB never paid off, or ended up being a dead end. Maybe the kid.s puny mortal body couldn't handle an Old God soul and died, or maybe he just fell out of a tree when he was eight and broke his neck. Whatever the excuse, they should just drop it.

[Zetheria Tabris]

Xenomorphine wrote...

Besides which, from what I remember, Morrigan isn't 'playing mother'. She gave the child to another family to raise. There aren't even any indications the child knows anything about her. Most likely, she gave birth, put the child somewhere she knew it would be loved and safe and then decided to observe matters from afar.

I know there's a ton of fan-art out there, depicting her as being this amazingly dutiful and loving mother, but it's a very unlikely set of circumstances, given her final dialogue and how twisted we know her own impressions of a mother figure were.

I'm a little amused, however, that this could some day lead to Morrigan going full-on Darth Vader and dramatically revealing to someone, "I... Am your mother."

Morrigan says that she will raise the child if you ask her what she plans to do with him. She says he will represent freedom, and that she would teach him to remember that from which he came. Sounds like she would be a mother to me, albeit a very unorthodox one.

[Archaven]

You know with the trailer.. It some how gives me a feeling that the Inquisitor is the OGB.

[Taleroth]

Archaven wrote...

You know with the trailer.. It some how gives me a feeling that the Inquisitor is the OGB.

People thought the same thing about Hawke.

[In Exile]

Archaven wrote...

You know with the trailer.. It some how gives me a feeling that the Inquisitor is the OGB.

I can't wait for the "cheating on the Warden with Sten" part of the storyline. 

[Dave of Canada]

Archaven wrote...

You know with the trailer.. It some how gives me a feeling that the Inquisitor is the OGB.

Everyone is the OGB.

[GDog89]

So that explains why we can play as Qunari

Modifié par GDog89, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:53 .

[Trafalgar-Law]

BW killed off Revan, possibly their greatest protagonist ever (maybe even the greatest SW character ever) for the sake of a lame randumb forgettable boss fight. If they were willing to do that to Revan, just imagine what they'll do to the optional OGB.

Modifié par Trafalgar-Law, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:50 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Archaven wrote...

You know with the trailer.. It some how gives me a feeling that the Inquisitor is the OGB.

That is the biggest 10 year old I've ever seen.

[Trafalgar-Law]

As to the 10 year old thing, I don't think the Inquisitor is the OGB, but who is to say that we will even encounter the OGB immediately? For all we know, the game, like DA2, spans over a number of years.

Modifié par Trafalgar-Law, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:54 .

[Sifr]

Trafalgar-Law wrote...

BW killed off Revan, possibly their greatest protagonist ever (maybe even the greatest SW character ever) for the sake of a lame randumb forgettable boss fight. If they were willing to do that to Revan, just imagine what they'll do to the optional OGB.

Technically, Revan didn't die, he vanished in a violet explosion before the player landed the killing blow, leaving it vague what precisely happened to him?

You know, I like the idea that the OGB might have future influence (good or bad) with a specific faction. As much as the OGB could potentially aid the Grey Wardens, I imagine they'd likely come into conflict with the more hardline Wardens, who'd take one look at a child with the soul of a former Archdemon and scream "Kill it with Fire!"