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[Dazzav2]

*Slight Spoilers*



It was implied that the information would get the alliance as a whole in trouble so as the devoted soldier my Shep was, I kept the information to myself. I'm hoping I get the option to give the information to the Shadow Broker again, but only if it helps Liara.

[darkblade980]

I do hope that in ME2 the Shadow Broker offers you something that can be used against Cerberus in return, I don't like the feeling that Shepherd has basically been drafted without choice into working for Cerberus.

[Darth_Trethon]

Eccentrick79 wrote...

I imagine the Shadow Broker will give you information you need to either leave Cerberus' debt or to destroy the organization from the inside.

Hell, I'll actively sell him info while I'm under their employ just to screw with them.

You DO know that the Shadow Broker works with the cllectors right? In the preview pages of ME Redemption #2 Liara is trying to recover Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker's men because they're about to sell it to the collectors.

It's irrational senseless anger like yours that will screw you over in the actual game. You'd hold a grudge against Cerberus and foolishly help the Collectors.....or more specifically the Reapers.

I mean yeah.....screw logic.....let's start helping the Collectors and the Reapers!!

[Taritu]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Eccentrick79 wrote...

I imagine the Shadow Broker will give you information you need to either leave Cerberus' debt or to destroy the organization from the inside.

Hell, I'll actively sell him info while I'm under their employ just to screw with them.

You DO know that the Shadow Broker works with the cllectors right? In the preview pages of ME Redemption #2 Liara is trying to recover Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker's men because they're about to sell it to the collectors.

It's irrational senseless anger like yours that will screw you over in the actual game. You'd hold a grudge against Cerberus and foolishly help the Collectors.....or more specifically the Reapers.

I mean yeah.....screw logic.....let's start helping the Collectors and the Reapers!!

Shadow Broker will work with pretty much anyone who pays.  They owe me a favor.  I intend to collect.  And that's metagaming, in ME1 you have know way of knowing about the collectors.

[Zulu_DFA]

It could have probably been leaked , how it played out: The mechs' attack on the Cerberus facility where Shepard was undergoing Lazarus Project could be mounted by someone, who contracted the Shadow Broker for intel. And the SB either got that intel through some other channels, or it was given away by yourself (depending on the ME1 assigment outcome). Ha-ha.



And in any case SB is so appreciative as to sell your corpse to the collectors.



Click here for the summary of SB vs Cerberus info (spoilers inside).

[Monster A-Go Go]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

You DO know that the Shadow Broker works with the cllectors right? In the preview pages of ME Redemption #2 Liara is trying to recover Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker's men because they're about to sell it to the collectors.

It's irrational senseless anger like yours that will screw you over in the actual game. You'd hold a grudge against Cerberus and foolishly help the Collectors.....or more specifically the Reapers.

I mean yeah.....screw logic.....let's start helping the Collectors and the Reapers!!

You DO know that Liara is actively working for the Shadow Broker for nefarious reasons?  Then who's to say that the Shadow Broker isn't doing the same with the Collectors?

Besides, Shepard is dead, pureed, and stuffed into a suitcase during the timeframe you're talking about.  Unless you're planning on repackaging him as jerky, he's worth less than a Liberian penny.  Even if the Shadow Broker only had the transparent motive of gaining technology and information, it's not as though he's selling a living being.  And we have no evidence to suggest that the Shadow Broker knows or believes that the Collectors have plans against human colonies, much less links with the Reapers. 

The Shadow Broker is an entity without allegience and without an agenda beyond profit and, possibly, the stability of galactic government.  Trading Shepard for his chosen commodities is no different than trading money for food.

Cerberus, on the other hand, has a proven agenda -- the furtherance of humankind into a possition of absolute dominance, and damn the collateral damage along the way.  They seek to help humanity, and yet they commit continual attrocities against human beings in the furtherance of this goal.  Their research and methods would turn humanity away from them if the knowledge became public.  Their actions and goals would lower, rather than raise, humanity's standing and acceptance in the galactic community.  They had my Shepard's unit killed on Akuze.  They bred and exploited Rachni and  and who knows what other unstable alien species, without regard for the repercusions should something go awry.  They played on the sympathies and kindness of their fellow humans and led them into a death trap with a distress beacon.  They murdered a high-ranking and publically visible Alliance officer.  They exploded Eezo over Yandoa, causing countless stillbirths, birth defects, and medical fallout -- nevermind the commercial and property damage -- in the hopes of possibly creating a handful of biotics.  They most likely kidnapped Gillian Grayson and then gave her medicine thought to exacerbate her autism with the goal of enhancing her biotic abilities. They resorted to wholescale murder and torture in order to retrieve codes just to spy on the Migrant Fleet, which had proven no threat to any force in the galaxy for over 300 years.  They led an infilitration and attack on the Migrant Fleet, killing innocents, providing damning and potentially sanctionable evidence against humanity, and possibly risking an act of war.  They rigged an election by assassinating Claude Menneau.  And they deliberately turned a settlement on Chaska into Husks. 

The Shadow Broker, meanwhile, continued to gather, sell, and hoard information.  That's all we know he does.  There's no evidence of an agenda.  No worth in Shepard's remains to anyone but the Collectors and Cerberus.  Certainly no evidence that he believed or even thought he was harming human colonies. 

So yeah, I'll stick with my decision to help the neutral party at the expense of the imperial, supremacist, actively wicked organization.  And if I can use my good relations with the Shadow Broker to help bring Cerberus down, I'll do that, too...laughing all the while.

Modifié par Eccentrick79, 19 janvier 2010 - 02:31 .

[Major Alenko]

mehh i paragon, but my shepard realised the logic in giving the information to the shadow broker, he hates cerberus and knew a favour from the shadow broker could proved very helpful

[IvanTurbinca]

espionage is a game of give and take

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par IvanTurbinca, 19 janvier 2010 - 02:21 .

[Badpie]

I just kind of went with my gut. I'm a paragon mostly and I know the decision to give the data to the SB was kind of suspect, but I just had a hunch that I'd need a favor from the SB someday.

[Major Alenko]

Badpie wrote...

I just kind of went with my gut. I'm a paragon mostly and I know the decision to give the data to the SB was kind of suspect, but I just had a hunch that I'd need a favor from the SB someday.

exactly. Also you already made a enemie of cerberus, why make a enemie of the shadow broker too

[Duduris]

Eccentrick79 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

You DO know that the Shadow Broker works with the cllectors right? In the preview pages of ME Redemption #2 Liara is trying to recover Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker's men because they're about to sell it to the collectors.

It's irrational senseless anger like yours that will screw you over in the actual game. You'd hold a grudge against Cerberus and foolishly help the Collectors.....or more specifically the Reapers.

I mean yeah.....screw logic.....let's start helping the Collectors and the Reapers!!

You DO know that Liara is actively working for the Shadow Broker for nefarious reasons?  Then who's to say that the Shadow Broker isn't doing the same with the Collectors?

Besides, Shepard is dead, pureed, and stuffed into a suitcase during the timeframe you're talking about.  Unless you're planning on repackaging him as jerky, he's worth less than a Liberian penny.  Even if the Shadow Broker only had the transparent motive of gaining technology and information, it's not as though he's selling a living being.  And we have no evidence to suggest that the Shadow Broker knows or believes that the Collectors have plans against human colonies, much less links with the Reapers. 

The Shadow Broker is an entity without allegience and without an agenda beyond profit and, possibly, the stability of galactic government.  Trading Shepard for his chosen commodities is no different than trading money for food.

Cerberus, on the other hand, has a proven agenda -- the furtherance of humankind into a possition of absolute dominance, and damn the collateral damage along the way.  They seek to help humanity, and yet they commit continual attrocities against human beings in the furtherance of this goal.  Their research and methods would turn humanity away from them if the knowledge became public.  Their actions and goals would lower, rather than raise, humanity's standing and acceptance in the galactic community.  They had my Shepard's unit killed on Akuze.  They bred and exploited Rachni and  and who knows what other unstable alien species, without regard for the repercusions should something go awry.  They played on the sympathies and kindness of their fellow humans and led them into a death trap with a distress beacon.  They murdered a high-ranking and publically visible Alliance officer.  They exploded Eezo over Yandoa, causing countless stillbirths, birth defects, and medical fallout -- nevermind the commercial and property damage -- in the hopes of possibly creating a handful of biotics.  They most likely kidnapped Gillian Grayson and then gave her medicine thought to exacerbate her autism with the goal of enhancing her biotic abilities. They resorted to wholescale murder and torture in order to retrieve codes just to spy on the Migrant Fleet, which had proven no threat to any force in the galaxy for over 300 years.  They led an infilitration and attack on the Migrant Fleet, killing innocents, providing damning and potentially sanctionable evidence against humanity, and possibly risking an act of war.  They rigged an election by assassinating Claude Menneau.  And they deliberately turned a settlement on Chaska into Husks. 

The Shadow Broker, meanwhile, continued to gather, sell, and hoard information.  That's all we know he does.  There's no evidence of an agenda.  No worth in Shepard's remains to anyone but the Collectors and Cerberus.  Certainly no evidence that he believed or even thought he was harming human colonies. 

So yeah, I'll stick with my decision to help the neutral party at the expense of the imperial, supremacist, actively wicked organization.  And if I can use my good relations with the Shadow Broker to help bring Cerberus down, I'll do that, too...laughing all the while.

QFT

[altair 1987]

Dazzav2 wrote...

*Slight Spoilers*

It was implied that the information would get the alliance as a whole in trouble so as the devoted soldier my Shep was, I kept the information to myself. I'm hoping I get the option to give the information to the Shadow Broker again, but only if it helps Liara.

what with liara and the shadow broker,did i miss something?

[Lightice_av]

screwoffreg wrote...

Liara in some sort of indentured servitude and perhaps Ashley in danger...it seems saving your loved ones is high on your list in this game.

I'm pretty sure that Liara is working for the Broker voluntarily. It's the only way she can find Shepard's body, and learn more about the Collectors. She had Shepard's legacy to uphold, after all, as self-imposed as it might be.

[Stoko981]

Badpie wrote...

I just kind of went with my gut. I'm a paragon mostly and I know the decision to give the data to the SB was kind of suspect, but I just had a hunch that I'd need a favor from the SB someday.

This. That was my exact frame of mind - I mean it was pretty unsubtle foreshadowing. In every playthrough, I gave the Shadow Broker the information. And let's face it, what the rep said was true, they'd get the info eventually. My giving it to them sooner really wouldn't change much, except a) potentially gain me a favour and  potentially allow the Shadow Broker or whoever he sells the info to to hurt Cerberus that much sooner.

Unfortunately...

Mariah5 wrote...

This will be interesting because I hate Cerberus, but (SPOILERS from comic) the Shadow Broker is trying to sell your body to the Collectors.

This happened. I read the first issue of the comic and discovered that fact about 20 minutes before I reached the point in game that I recieved the Shadow Broker rep's call. Now, with hindsight, and having read a really well thought out post in this thread, I wish I'd given it him as I had in all my other playthroughs. I mean, yeah, at the time, Shepard is dead. He's a corpsicle. The Shadow Broker (so far as we know) has no way of knowing that Cerberus wants him for resurrection. He (or she or it) also doesn't know the Collectors are any threat. Their reputation at that point, at least among those who don't consider them mythical, is of a distant isolationist race who occasionally wish to trade advanced, galaxy-changing technology for a small number of individuals with specific characteristics. And this time, they just want one corpse? It's a no brainer.

Unfortunately, I didn't think of any of that. All I could think of at the time was "Damned Shadow Broker, try to sell my body to the Collectors will you?", so I told him where he could shove his favour. Wish I could change that, but I'm not doing another entire playthrough just to change that one decision. Guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.

[commander_chung]

You guys do know that the Shadow Broker try's to sell you out to the collectors when you die; its one reason why lira is looking for you in the comic

[this isnt my name]

I never gave the info away. Most of my guys were pro human and my paragon disliked anyone getting that info, so it was never given away. Shame I couldnt keep it, would gladly return it because my characters would like to continue working with cerberus.

[Lightice_av]

The Shadow Broker (so far as we know) has no way of knowing that Cerberus wants him for resurrection. He (or she or it) also doesn't know the Collectors are any threat.

If anyone knows that the Collectors are a threat, it's the Broker. If the Illusive Man knows, and he does, then so does the Broker. That's why I suspect he's agreeing to trade with them; his information network is blind as far as the Collectors are concerned, and he needs connections among them in order to have influence over them, and follow his modus operandi of upholding a status quo. One dead Spectre is of little consequence if the corpse gives him a foothold among the Collectors.

[RayVito]

I always kept the info for the alliance just by my gut felling and i am glad i did. As i read about the shadow broker wanted to sell me to Collectors and Cerberus wanted to uses my last leveling cells to bring me back fifth element style. People say your body has no value but Cerberus has the technology to bring me back and the collectors are highly advance so they could bring us back for there own sinister needs like interrogation or some how make me into one of there Soldiers. I can see why people say Shadow Broker wouldn't knowingly do that when they know you can be saved. If the shadow broker handles all they info in the galaxy he would know about any technology prototype that could bring us back.