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[JerZey CJ]

Volourn wrote...

"I bet most people won't even check out the other options smilie Humans? Boring. Elves? Too alien too ugly. Dwarves? One Sandal is enough for the whole series."

I loathe the qunari. they're overrated, fake, and evil to the core.

On top of that, dwarves rukle and will always be my first choice.


On TOP of THAT, vast majority of players will still choose humans.

Why are they overrated? Because people are excited about being able to play them?

They're hardly "fake" if anything, they're the most "real" of the races(assuming you mean "fake" as in "that person is so fake")

"Evil to the core"? Hardly, not all qunari are part of the Qun, and assuming that is why you consider them evil, then not all of them are. Even the ones who are a part of it are not "evil", you simply do not subscribe to their beliefs and do not share their way of thinking. It would be like calling all Communists evil just because you weren't one.

[JerZey CJ]

Silfren wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

Except that there was no confusion. It is clear that the OP is talking about the race but as always someone feels the need to point out that the "correct way" of calling the big horned people is Kossith.

To be fair, you do have someone upthread saying things like "You'll play a Qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" which IS confusing, given that if you don't follow the Qun you are very specifically NOT a Qunari.  Statements like that DO imply that Qunari is a racial term and not a religious one, which is not true.

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

[VampireSoap]

GDog89 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Qunari rogue is an odd concept?

Are you really gonna have some huge muscled hulk with bigass horns sneak around?

You Inspired me to Think of the First Qunari Anvian Crow xD I don't know why lol

LOL you can't really generalize an entire race just like that. There're pretty nimble and short humans too, you know. These humans can be as short as the dwarves, so it stands to reason that some Qunari might be as short as normal humans

[VampireSoap]

Wulfram wrote...

Bioware should run an experiment.  Have half the people given Human Male as default, half assigned randomly to the others.  Then see how many more play something other than human male when the default is something else.  And whether this increases or decreases the chance that players complete the game.

Sir Wulfram, your comment is of pure awesomeness...Alas, bioware's not going do it cuz there's no profit in doing so and it doesn't really have anything to do with improving the game.

[Daerog]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Tinxa wrote...

Except that there was no confusion. It is clear that the OP is talking about the race but as always someone feels the need to point out that the "correct way" of calling the big horned people is Kossith.

To be fair, you do have someone upthread saying things like "You'll play a Qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" which IS confusing, given that if you don't follow the Qun you are very specifically NOT a Qunari.  Statements like that DO imply that Qunari is a racial term and not a religious one, which is not true.

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

It's the racial name the rest of Thedas has placed upon them, as that is how they were introduced and the term used when talking about them (besides "oxmen"). The Qunari did not place a racial term upon themselves, they are just the people of the Qun, they are Qunari, it is what they are.

If a Thedosian asked what race a Qunari was, the Qunari may just look annoyed and disapproving of the Thedosian's ignorance and selfish desire to split away from others by dividing everyone into races. The Qunari, if in a good and generous mood, may even answer "I am Qunari," although the qunari would say that about his/her elven/human/dwarven brothers/sisters as well, but it is true that that is what a qunari is.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:11 .

[leaguer of one]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

It's really just each race's situation that adds a new viewpoint, not the race itself. A non mage human from Tevinter would be just as unique and interesting as an elf serf from Orlais.

True, but the culture for human in DA:O,2 and I is not that dramatic.

[Ianamus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Silfren wrote...

To be fair, you do have someone upthread saying things like "You'll play a Qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" which IS confusing...

For stupid people. Not everything has to be built around the communication needs of the functionally illiterate.

Statements like that DO imply that Qunari is a racial term and not a religious one, which is not true.

Except it is true. People in Thedas call large, grey people with horns Qunari. That makes it a racial term. The developers have supported this interpretation of the word because they've run around telling people that Qunari are a playable race.

I wouldn't call it "confusing" as it was  clear what Bioware meant when they made that announcement (To most people at least), but even though I have long accepted that Qunari is an ethno-religious term it still bothers me that the sentence "You'll play a Qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" is eqivalent to "You'll play a Qunari who is not a Qunari", if only from an english language standpoint. That sort of word use is messy, even if the meaning is clear to people who understand the subject matter. 

Modifié par EJ107, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:12 .

[thesnake777]

My main will be human. Then for my alts ill switch it up for fun.

[VampireSoap]

Filament wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

Yes, as in a Jew who doesn't follow Judaism. The word has different meanings depending on the context, hence "qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" is valid, if potentially ambiguous or confusing. Since they choose not to ascribe a name to their own race beyond "qunari" presumably for religious reasons, that seems to be the only proper term to use, even if it requires clarification every other time it is used. As we can understand if we understand why "Mohammedan" is not a proper term for Muslims...

Funny that the Qunari don't even have names for individuals...wonder how they deal with it daily.

Qunari: Go find Sten! Tell him we have broken through the west gate!!

Qunari #2: Which one? You saw how (our) Sten died in the battlefield     (massive confusion occurs)

[Daerog]

leaguer of one wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

It's really just each race's situation that adds a new viewpoint, not the race itself. A non mage human from Tevinter would be just as unique and interesting as an elf serf from Orlais.

True, but the culture for human in DA:O,2 and I is not that dramatic.

What? Have you seen the architecture for Orlais in the concept art? They focus on things in life differently than those in Fereldan. Humans and all other races vary from nation to nation (I would count the Dalish as a single nation, as they try to keep a similar culture throughout the clans).

DA:O and DA2 I can give you that, as it was just Fereldan background, but we don't know about the humans we will meet or what the human background will be so I can't agree with saying that human culture in Inquisition is the same culture we've seen in Kirkwall and Fereldan. Zevran gave us a good idea on Antivan culture, Leliana and the concept art and stories gave a good idea on Orlesian culture, all others we haven't heard too much besides Tevinter ghost stories.

[Am1vf]

VampireSoap wrote...

Filament wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

Yes, as in a Jew who doesn't follow Judaism. The word has different meanings depending on the context, hence "qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" is valid, if potentially ambiguous or confusing. Since they choose not to ascribe a name to their own race beyond "qunari" presumably for religious reasons, that seems to be the only proper term to use, even if it requires clarification every other time it is used. As we can understand if we understand why "Mohammedan" is not a proper term for Muslims...

Funny that the Qunari don't even have names for individuals...wonder how they deal with it daily.

Qunari: Go find Sten! Tell him we have broken through the west gate!!

Qunari #2: Which one? You saw how (our) Sten died in the battlefield     (massive confusion occurs)

Why would they want to tell anything to a partcular Sten? If they need something done it seems to me any Sten would do, if not there is no reason to inform any sten. That's how I see it anyway.

[JerZey CJ]

VampireSoap wrote...

Filament wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

Yes, as in a Jew who doesn't follow Judaism. The word has different meanings depending on the context, hence "qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" is valid, if potentially ambiguous or confusing. Since they choose not to ascribe a name to their own race beyond "qunari" presumably for religious reasons, that seems to be the only proper term to use, even if it requires clarification every other time it is used. As we can understand if we understand why "Mohammedan" is not a proper term for Muslims...

Funny that the Qunari don't even have names for individuals...wonder how they deal with it daily.

Qunari: Go find Sten! Tell him we have broken through the west gate!!

Qunari #2: Which one? You saw how (our) Sten died in the battlefield     (massive confusion occurs)

Sten: So I was talking to Sten the other day....
Sten: My Sten?
Sten: No Sten's Sten
Sten: My brother Sten's Sten?
Sten: No, the Sten from down town's Sten
Sten: OH, THAT Sten!
Sten: Yes, that Sten
Sten: So what'd he say?
Sten: I don't know I forget now. Ask Sten.

[wolfsite]

MY first playthrough will be as an Elf.

[sandalisthemaker]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Filament wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

Yes, as in a Jew who doesn't follow Judaism. The word has different meanings depending on the context, hence "qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" is valid, if potentially ambiguous or confusing. Since they choose not to ascribe a name to their own race beyond "qunari" presumably for religious reasons, that seems to be the only proper term to use, even if it requires clarification every other time it is used. As we can understand if we understand why "Mohammedan" is not a proper term for Muslims...

Funny that the Qunari don't even have names for individuals...wonder how they deal with it daily.

Qunari: Go find Sten! Tell him we have broken through the west gate!!

Qunari #2: Which one? You saw how (our) Sten died in the battlefield     (massive confusion occurs)

Sten: So I was talking to Sten the other day....
Sten: My Sten?
Sten: No Sten's Sten
Sten: My brother Sten's Sten?
Sten: No, the Sten from down town's Sten
Sten: OH, THAT Sten!
Sten: Yes, that Sten
Sten: So what'd he say?
Sten: I don't know I forget now. Ask Sten.

For a culture that holds efficiency in such high regard, one has to wonder how situations like this doesn't breed confusion. The Qunari must have a hive mind.

[Daerog]

VampireSoap wrote...

Filament wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

Yes, as in a Jew who doesn't follow Judaism. The word has different meanings depending on the context, hence "qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" is valid, if potentially ambiguous or confusing. Since they choose not to ascribe a name to their own race beyond "qunari" presumably for religious reasons, that seems to be the only proper term to use, even if it requires clarification every other time it is used. As we can understand if we understand why "Mohammedan" is not a proper term for Muslims...

Funny that the Qunari don't even have names for individuals...wonder how they deal with it daily.

Qunari: Go find Sten! Tell him we have broken through the west gate!!

Qunari #2: Which one? You saw how (our) Sten died in the battlefield     (massive confusion occurs)

Not really, if someone is asking for just Sten, then any sten would do. If they want a sten who knows an individual, they will ask for sten who knows this individual and the stens would be asked. If a foreigner is looking for a sten, a description would help, so the sten with black hair.

They don't see individuals, they see cells of a larger organism that is the Qun, we don't give our cells names, but we can point to a scratch on an arm and say that needs to be taken care of without needing to name the injured cells.

Of course the higher ups can see how the separate stens operate and how well one can be compared to another, but a name isn't necessary, just a face to recognize the one who will probably be the best to promote when the current leader dies.

(I'm just assuming this is how qunari are)

[Maria Caliban]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

For a culture that holds efficiency in such high regard, one has to wonder how situations like this doesn't breed confusion. The Qunari must have a hive mind.

Qunari actually have very long names that contain all their genealogical information.

[Daerog]

Maria Caliban wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

For a culture that holds efficiency in such high regard, one has to wonder how situations like this doesn't breed confusion. The Qunari must have a hive mind.

Qunari actually have very long names that contain all their genealogical information.

They're Ents?

[VampireSoap]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Filament wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

I was under the impression that it was an ethnoreligious term, that it was both their belief system and racial name.

Yes, as in a Jew who doesn't follow Judaism. The word has different meanings depending on the context, hence "qunari who doesn't follow the Qun" is valid, if potentially ambiguous or confusing. Since they choose not to ascribe a name to their own race beyond "qunari" presumably for religious reasons, that seems to be the only proper term to use, even if it requires clarification every other time it is used. As we can understand if we understand why "Mohammedan" is not a proper term for Muslims...

Funny that the Qunari don't even have names for individuals...wonder how they deal with it daily.

Qunari: Go find Sten! Tell him we have broken through the west gate!!

Qunari #2: Which one? You saw how (our) Sten died in the battlefield     (massive confusion occurs)

Not really, if someone is asking for just Sten, then any sten would do. If they want a sten who knows an individual, they will ask for sten who knows this individual and the stens would be asked. If a foreigner is looking for a sten, a description would help, so the sten with black hair.

They don't see individuals, they see cells of a larger organism that is the Qun, we don't give our cells names, but we can point to a scratch on an arm and say that needs to be taken care of without needing to name the injured cells.

Of course the higher ups can see how the separate stens operate and how well one can be compared to another, but a name isn't necessary, just a face to recognize the one who will probably be the best to promote when the current leader dies.

(I'm just assuming this is how qunari are)

:lol: You think humanity invented names because our cavemen ancestors valued individuality? No, names were invented for a more efficient society...which is ironic in this case

[Ryzaki]

cjones91 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I always laugh when people say humans are boring.

But my first 2 characters are always humans. Male mage, Female warrior.

Human are boring,how many of us have boring lives?We have to work,pay taxes,see the doctor when your body starts acting up,take care of the kids etc;Most of us are pretty boring.

And in Dragon Age you honestly believe there aren't elves, dwarves and Qunari with boring lives? Besides we're not playing a farmer anyway. The PC by default has an exciting life so I'm not sure where the boring arguement is coming from. Most of any civilized species I'd say would be boring.

[jwalker]

I don't know. Not particularly interested. It will depend whether you can make decent looking character or they will butt ugly no matter what.
Yes, I'm shallow.

[Daerog]

VampireSoap wrote...


:lol: You think humanity invented names because our cavemen ancestors valued individuality? No, names were invented for a more efficient society...which is ironic in this case

Yes, naming is efficient. However, I said they viewed themselves as cells of a larger organism. By giving individual names, they are promoting individualism and by not granting individual names they promote the beliefs professed in the Qun and their culture.

I didn't say it was better, I'm just saying that is probably how they are.

As for cavemen ancestors, I know of no archeological or historical evidence that gave evidence to when names were first used or why they were initially used. There may be some, I just don't know any. Perhaps they just liked names to differentiate themselves, nobles certainly liked more names than commoners in medieval Europe, but it is efficient, but was the efficiency the initial purpose  or was it just what kept naming in use?

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 06 septembre 2013 - 11:44 .

[VampireSoap]

Ryzaki wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I always laugh when people say humans are boring.

But my first 2 characters are always humans. Male mage, Female warrior.

Human are boring,how many of us have boring lives?We have to work,pay taxes,see the doctor when your body starts acting up,take care of the kids etc;Most of us are pretty boring.

And in Dragon Age you honestly believe there aren't elves, dwarves and Qunari with boring lives? Besides we're not playing a farmer anyway. The PC by default has an exciting life so I'm not sure where the boring arguement is coming from. Most of any civilized species I'd say would be boring.

Why are you so serious about this, guys? I don't understand. I think humans are boring just because I know too much about them, and I'm really looking forward to exploring the unknown, you know. But that's not an argument, that's just a personal preference. So it's totally fine now that I understand most people would actually rather play as human males. I've got my answer anyway.