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[Dave of Canada]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

It's tempting to think that of course they'd love playing (insert other race here) if they only knew it was there, because you love it, and I of course want them to see it because we pour our hearts into making it. But some players just plain like different things, and there's intangible value in choices they choose not to take. That, after all, is what makes it a choice.

I don't know the challenges of creating such a thing but wouldn't creating something along the lines of Dragon Age 2's class line-up or Diablo 2's campfire character select with every race portrayed allow more people to know of their existence and potentially lead them to it?

[Mr Cloud]

If possible, on first playtrough (of any rpg) I always play as:
1) elf
2) mage

Game will grant me both, so..yeah.

Modifié par Mr Cloud, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[TKavatar]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

She's a spy/assassin in a secretive order called Ben-Hassrath.
Not a warrior

But...but she fights! Why was Sten so surprised by the female warden? Couldn't he reason that the warden and Tallis were the same type of women? ...... infinite confusion, I have traveled to the plane of limbo:wub:

IDK.  The devs probably created  the Ben-Hassrath order conveniently at the time of the DLC to justify Tallis's existence. 

I don't know when Redemption began but there were mentions of the Ben-Hassrath in DA2 (the Tal Vashoth leader shouts this to Hawke during Act 1)

[sandalisthemaker]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I wonder what would happen if Bioware made the default a elf or qunari because that will probaly skew the results.

We talk about this all the time. We have raw numbers, but that's all they are, just numbers. There is no meaning or intent in data. So we hem and haw about statistical double rainbows and how to deal with the problem, if it even is a problem. Thing is, roleplaying means different things to different players, and for many, it is the ability to play and create avatars of themselves, human males or females. Sure, some might also shrug and go with the default, but that's just as valid as someone who spends an hour fiddling with the nose on their dwarf.

It's tempting to think that of course they'd love playing (insert other race here) if they only knew it was there, because you love it, and I of course want them to see it because we pour our hearts into making it. But some players just plain like different things, and there's intangible value in choices they choose not to take. That, after all, is what makes it a choice.

Do you ever talk about having the first race that pops up in the CC being something other than a human, or the first gender that pops up be female, and having people manually change to be male and human because that would certainly be something to see. 

[dragondreamer]

My plan was Dalish elf mage first (and still happy to know this will be possible!) and Circle elf mage second (if this is possible), then whatever takes my interest most. Right now I'd like to try Qunari rogue on my third playthrough.

Modifié par dragondreamer, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:51 .

[Petiertje]

VampireSoap wrote...

:lol:I bet most people won't even check out the other options Humans? Boring. Elves? Too alien too ugly. Dwarves? One Sandal is enough for the whole series.

Nah, my first playthrough wil be a human, the warrior class I think. Then after I mainly followed the main story/quest, I'll pick another race and class, and explore every little rock and plant in the game:), and yes, that playthrough will be (almost sure here) a Qunari:D, after that I'll fiddle around a bit with every other race and class option if I like the game enough.

[werewoof]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I wonder what would happen if Bioware made the default a elf or qunari because that will probaly skew the results.

We talk about this all the time. We have raw numbers, but that's all they are, just numbers. There is no meaning or intent in data. So we hem and haw about statistical double rainbows and how to deal with the problem, if it even is a problem. Thing is, roleplaying means different things to different players, and for many, it is the ability to play and create avatars of themselves, human males or females. Sure, some might also shrug and go with the default, but that's just as valid as someone who spends an hour fiddling with the nose on their dwarf.

It's tempting to think that of course they'd love playing (insert other race here) if they only knew it was there, because you love it, and I of course want them to see it because we pour our hearts into making it. But some players just plain like different things, and there's intangible value in choices they choose not to take. That, after all, is what makes it a choice.

Do you ever talk about having the first race that pops up in the CC being something other than a human, or the first gender that pops up be female, and having people manually change to be male and human because that would certainly be something to see. 

itd be interesting, subverting the idea of "tall white dude" as the default. and it isnt like advertising where yalls ad execs would wet their pants in fear if you didnt put the appropriate square-jawed dark haired white man w/ permastubble and/or rough beard into the trailers because that might scare off the sensitive straight white male gamers or whatever (i think they are a bit off as to what their demographic actually is but i digress) 

it would certainly be pretty cool, partly because it might make more people play characters they otherwise wouldn't or at least have to look at the options before picking their run of the mill male human warrior 

and i would enjoy the tears of upset Straight White Male Gamers ™ when they inevitably make another thread about how bioware is ignoring them or whatever (who remembers that fun event?)

[Mr.House]

VampireSoap wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Aren't you guys at least a little bit interested? The racial bonus might also be very nice....

I plan on playing as a Female Qunari Warrior on my second playthrough,and that's mainly to see how other Qunari would react to one of their own fighting  as a woman.

Yeah, Tallis is a Qunari and a warrior, what is with that? lol

She's a spy/assassin in a secretive order called Ben-Hassrath.
Not a warrior

But...but she fights! Why was Sten so surprised by the female warden? Couldn't he reason that the warden and Tallis were the same type of women? ...... infinite confusion, I have traveled to the plane of limbo:wub:

The Ban-Hassrath answer to the Ariqun, who is head of the priest. They are viewed as priest because of that.

[Siibi]

Nope. Elf first then Qunari.

[Mr.House]

TKavatar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

She's a spy/assassin in a secretive order called Ben-Hassrath.
Not a warrior

But...but she fights! Why was Sten so surprised by the female warden? Couldn't he reason that the warden and Tallis were the same type of women? ...... infinite confusion, I have traveled to the plane of limbo:wub:

IDK.  The devs probably created  the Ben-Hassrath order conveniently at the time of the DLC to justify Tallis's existence. 

I don't know when Redemption began but there were mentions of the Ben-Hassrath in DA2 (the Tal Vashoth leader shouts this to Hawke during Act 1)

Ben-Hassrath is mentioned by Sten in DAO.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

qunari is actually my 3rd option

either a female elf mage or a rogue female dwarf first

[Gileadan]

Human first. Don't need horns or pointy ears to be a hero.

[Kaidan Fan]

Nope. I don't like Qunari and will not be playing as one. I will play a "boring" human first and elf later.

[jcraft]

VampireSoap wrote...

Well, that's sad...Why would anyone want to play as a human in such an amazing fantasy world? Why? Especially when we have 2 other interesting choices and 1 other pure awesome option...I'm depressed Oh, please...don't mind me, I'll just find a corner and cry it out. I'll be ok.

For me it is just a roleplaying thing. I preffer to play human because I'm human, I prefer to play white male beacause I'm white male and so on, this way I feel much more connected to my character.

And don't get me wrong I don't have problems with playing different characters, just when options are available I always preffer to go with character similar to myself, my ideals and worldview (of course my character is not my exact clone, but more of person I want/strive to be).

Modifié par jcraft, 06 septembre 2013 - 05:02 .

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

TKavatar wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

She's a spy/assassin in a secretive order called Ben-Hassrath.
Not a warrior

But...but she fights! Why was Sten so surprised by the female warden? Couldn't he reason that the warden and Tallis were the same type of women? ...... infinite confusion, I have traveled to the plane of limbo:wub:

IDK.  The devs probably created  the Ben-Hassrath order conveniently at the time of the DLC to justify Tallis's existence. 

I don't know when Redemption began but there were mentions of the Ben-Hassrath in DA2 (the Tal Vashoth leader shouts this to Hawke during Act 1)

Ben-Hassrath is mentioned by Sten in DAO.

Were they?  Did he mention if they could be female back then?
Tallis may  not be a warrior, but she still goes into battle.  Why would Sten react to a female Warden differently if there have always been female Ben-Hassrath? 

[cjones91]

jcraft wrote...

VampireSoap wrote...

Well, that's sad...Why would anyone want to play as a human in such an amazing fantasy world? Why? Especially when we have 2 other interesting choices and 1 other pure awesome option...I'm depressed Oh, please...don't mind me, I'll just find a corner and cry it out. I'll be ok.

For me it is just a roleplaying thing. I preffer to play human because I'm human, I prefer to play white male beacause I'm white male and so on, this way I feel much more connected to my character.

And don't get me wrong I don't have problems with playing different characters, just when options are avaiable I always preffer to go with character similar to myself, my ideals and worldview.

I like playing out of my comfort zone and my first characters are always female,I'm usually of bored of the generic male protoganist so I like some variety every now and then.

[Iakus]

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I wonder what would happen if Bioware made the default a elf or qunari because that will probaly skew the results.

We talk about this all the time. We have raw numbers, but that's all they are, just numbers. There is no meaning or intent in data. So we hem and haw about statistical double rainbows and how to deal with the problem, if it even is a problem. Thing is, roleplaying means different things to different players, and for many, it is the ability to play and create avatars of themselves, human males or females. Sure, some might also shrug and go with the default, but that's just as valid as someone who spends an hour fiddling with the nose on their dwarf.

It's tempting to think that of course they'd love playing (insert other race here) if they only knew it was there, because you love it, and I of course want them to see it because we pour our hearts into making it. But some players just plain like different things, and there's intangible value in choices they choose not to take. That, after all, is what makes it a choice.

This actually leads to a question:  are these numbers absolute, or do they take into account multiple playthroughs?

I mean, my first game of DAO was as a human noble.  But my later runs were as an elf mage, a Dalish, and dwarf noble.  So while yes I have played as a human initially, only 25% of my Wardens are human (will drop to 20 when I get my city elf game going) 

[sandalisthemaker]

tiktac wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I wonder what would happen if Bioware made the default a elf or qunari because that will probaly skew the results.

We talk about this all the time. We have raw numbers, but that's all they are, just numbers. There is no meaning or intent in data. So we hem and haw about statistical double rainbows and how to deal with the problem, if it even is a problem. Thing is, roleplaying means different things to different players, and for many, it is the ability to play and create avatars of themselves, human males or females. Sure, some might also shrug and go with the default, but that's just as valid as someone who spends an hour fiddling with the nose on their dwarf.

It's tempting to think that of course they'd love playing (insert other race here) if they only knew it was there, because you love it, and I of course want them to see it because we pour our hearts into making it. But some players just plain like different things, and there's intangible value in choices they choose not to take. That, after all, is what makes it a choice.

Do you ever talk about having the first race that pops up in the CC being something other than a human, or the first gender that pops up be female, and having people manually change to be male and human because that would certainly be something to see. 

itd be interesting, subverting the idea of "tall white dude" as the default. and it isnt like advertising where yalls ad execs would wet their pants in fear if you didnt put the appropriate square-jawed dark haired white man w/ permastubble and/or rough beard into the trailers because that might scare off the sensitive straight white male gamers or whatever (i think they are a bit off as to what their demographic actually is but i digress) 

it would certainly be pretty cool, partly because it might make more people play characters they otherwise wouldn't or at least have to look at the options before picking their run of the mill male human warrior 

and i would enjoy the tears of upset Straight White Male Gamers ™ when they inevitably make another thread about how bioware is ignoring them or whatever (who remembers that fun event?)

I didn't frequent the forums during that bit. What were they complaining about, exactly?

[maliluka]

Not everyone.. Elf Mage will be my first play through eventually I will get to the qunari

[cjones91]

Gileadan wrote...

Human first. Don't need horns or pointy ears to be a hero.

Maybe, but it makes for a better story if the hero is something other than the generic human trope.

[Cribbian]

Nope, human first as always

[cjones91]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

tiktac wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
I wonder what would happen if Bioware made the default a elf or qunari because that will probaly skew the results.

We talk about this all the time. We have raw numbers, but that's all they are, just numbers. There is no meaning or intent in data. So we hem and haw about statistical double rainbows and how to deal with the problem, if it even is a problem. Thing is, roleplaying means different things to different players, and for many, it is the ability to play and create avatars of themselves, human males or females. Sure, some might also shrug and go with the default, but that's just as valid as someone who spends an hour fiddling with the nose on their dwarf.

It's tempting to think that of course they'd love playing (insert other race here) if they only knew it was there, because you love it, and I of course want them to see it because we pour our hearts into making it. But some players just plain like different things, and there's intangible value in choices they choose not to take. That, after all, is what makes it a choice.

Do you ever talk about having the first race that pops up in the CC being something other than a human, or the first gender that pops up be female, and having people manually change to be male and human because that would certainly be something to see. 

itd be interesting, subverting the idea of "tall white dude" as the default. and it isnt like advertising where yalls ad execs would wet their pants in fear if you didnt put the appropriate square-jawed dark haired white man w/ permastubble and/or rough beard into the trailers because that might scare off the sensitive straight white male gamers or whatever (i think they are a bit off as to what their demographic actually is but i digress) 

it would certainly be pretty cool, partly because it might make more people play characters they otherwise wouldn't or at least have to look at the options before picking their run of the mill male human warrior 

and i would enjoy the tears of upset Straight White Male Gamers ™ when they inevitably make another thread about how bioware is ignoring them or whatever (who remembers that fun event?)

I didn't frequent the forums during that bit. What were they complaining about, exactly?

Probaly about their privilege and how since some other group was being catered to and not them.

[sandalisthemaker]

cjones91 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

tiktac wrote...


itd be interesting, subverting the idea of "tall white dude" as the default. and it isnt like advertising where yalls ad execs would wet their pants in fear if you didnt put the appropriate square-jawed dark haired white man w/ permastubble and/or rough beard into the trailers because that might scare off the sensitive straight white male gamers or whatever (i think they are a bit off as to what their demographic actually is but i digress) 

it would certainly be pretty cool, partly because it might make more people play characters they otherwise wouldn't or at least have to look at the options before picking their run of the mill male human warrior 

and i would enjoy the tears of upset Straight White Male Gamers ™ when they inevitably make another thread about how bioware is ignoring them or whatever (who remembers that fun event?)

I didn't frequent the forums during that bit. What were they complaining about, exactly?

Probaly about their privilege and how since some other group was being catered to and not them.

Lmao

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:56 .

[Ieldra]

First time will be human mage, as usual. But yeah, I'm finding myself attracted by the idea of playing a female qunari mage. Elves, dwarves - we've known them forever, but qunari are refreshingly different.

As long as I don't follow the Qun. The Qun is evil....

Edit:
I would love to see the default character be something else than a whlte male human. Actually, I'd love to see something else in the trailers, but that isn't likely to happen.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 septembre 2013 - 04:59 .