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[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Wrex, for acting like such a belligerent throughout the Genophage arc. Now, sure, it'd probably take more than a slap to hurt him, but remember this: Shepard's hands are lined with razor-sharp bits of metal, causing anyone he hits to bleed. Just ask Elias Kelham.

[RZIBARA]

Bester76 wrote...

al-Jilani

 We already got to do even better than slapping her (PUNCHING HER)

[Omega Torsk]

Liara... during ALL of Thessia! (And when she first saw a Banshee)

Really? It's "sad" for the rest of the galaxy to burn, but when it's YOUR home and YOUR people, suddenly that righteous anger manifests itself and you break down? Did she really think that the Asari would survive by defeating the Reapers with art, philosophy, diplomacy, and lapdances?

A part of me believes it was intentional, since Liara does suffer from pride/naivety issues, but still... if I had the option of leaving her behind on the Normandy during Thessia, I would've taken it. Her mental state at that point is highly questionable. Proves to me that the badass Shadow Broker persona was all a front.

[DragonIroh001]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Wrex, for acting like such a belligerent throughout the Genophage arc. Now, sure, it'd probably take more than a slap to hurt him, but remember this: Shepard's hands are lined with razor-sharp bits of metal, causing anyone he hits to bleed. Just ask Elias Kelham.

Nonono, you've got to do it the Krogan way.

With a headbutt.

[CaIIisto]

RZIBARA wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

al-Jilani

 We already got to do even better than slapping her (PUNCHING HER)

I wanted a 'menu';

1) Punch
2) Slap
3) Dropkick
4) Behead
5) Ventilate with a bullet

and so forth.......

[RZIBARA]

Bester76 wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

al-Jilani

 We already got to do even better than slapping her (PUNCHING HER)

I wanted a 'menu';

1) Punch
2) Slap
3) Dropkick
4) Behead
5) Ventilate with a bullet

and so forth.......

6) allow her on the normandy and get javik to throw her out the Airlock!!!

[BronzTrooper]

Sparatus though it would be more of a punch than a slap. He's a real a-hole.

Udina. Obvious reasons.

VS. There's no reason for them to distrust Shepard if Garrus and Tali don't. Tali joining Shep should be enough to convince them to trust Shepard considering Cerberus' history with the Quarians.

Balak. Blames Shepard for the Batarians' own stupidity.

Jacob. For leaving FemShep with no explanation beforehand.

Vega. For replacing my Krogan squadie.

Liara (specifically after Thessia). Stop being over dramatic. It's not like you're the last Asari in the galaxy.

Kelly Chambers. I can't stand her. I like the way her morals are set up but that's about it.

Khalisah Al Jilani. Just shut up already!!!!

Catalyst. Obvious reasons.

[CaIIisto]

RZIBARA wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

al-Jilani

 We already got to do even better than slapping her (PUNCHING HER)

I wanted a 'menu';

1) Punch
2) Slap
3) Dropkick
4) Behead
5) Ventilate with a bullet

and so forth.......

6) allow her on the normandy and get javik to throw her out the Airlock!!!

That's the spirit......

[RZIBARA]

Gamer072196 wrote...

VS. There's no reason for them to distrust Shepard if Garrus and Tali don't. Tali joining Shep should be enough to convince them to trust Shepard considering Cerberus' history with the Quarians.

Tali isnt even on the squad when you meet the VS. 

[RZIBARA]

Also, im surprised no one is saying theyd slap the starchild!

I know i would!

[DuskWanderer]

Gamer072196 wrote...
VS. There's no reason for them to distrust Shepard if Garrus and Tali don't. Tali joining Shep should be enough to convince them to trust Shepard considering Cerberus' history with the Quarians.
.

Fourth Wall Myopia, the VS doesn't have the perspective Tali does on the ship (not to mention she requested transfer to the Normandy and was approved. The VS had no such thing)

[DuskWanderer]

 Nice to see all of the choices

Here's a few others I'd like to slap:


Wreav - Screwing over the genophage is awesome, but it's not enough. He needs something personal because he's such a (censored)

Wrex - For being all of the racist Ashley claimed the other races did, and not once getting called out for it, for turning my mission to Sur'Kesh to some crazy escort mission, and pretending not to be the horribly racist person that he is.

Han'Gerrel - For messing up two of my missions

Liara - Several slaps for several reasons.

1.) Being forced on me as some kind of love interest.
2.) Being a crazy stalker (seriously, she has dead bits of me on display at her apartment)
3.) Her whining about Thessia
4.) Constantly coming up to my apartment not invited


I would say Morinth, but Samara's face smashing does the job better.

[CaIIisto]

RZIBARA wrote...

Also, im surprised no one is saying theyd slap the starchild!

I know i would!

I thought that was a given.......?

[General TSAR]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Liara... during ALL of Thessia! (And when she first saw a Banshee)

Really? It's "sad" for the rest of the galaxy to burn, but when it's YOUR home and YOUR people, suddenly that righteous anger manifests itself and you break down? Did she really think that the Asari would survive by defeating the Reapers with art, philosophy, diplomacy, and lapdances?

A part of me believes it was intentional, since Liara does suffer from pride/naivety issues, but still... if I had the option of leaving her behind on the Normandy during Thessia, I would've taken it. Her mental state at that point is highly questionable. Proves to me that the badass Shadow Broker persona was all a front.

Preach it brother/sister.

Hated that egotistical Mary Sue/writers' pet.

Modifié par General TSAR, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:43 .

[Barquiel]

Gamer072196 wrote...

Liara (specifically after Thessia). Stop being over dramatic. It's not like you're the last Asari in the galaxy.

Yes...Liara cares more about her own species/homeworld, but so does everyone else (which is only realistic).

Shep asked for Turian/Asari/Salarian support for Earth when their own (home)worlds are also under attack. The Turians and Garrus insisted we must recruit space somalia (at the cost of pissing off a galactic superpower) because Palavan is under siege. Tali jumps off a cliff on Rannoch (the genocide of other races doesn't seem to bother her). Wrex and Wreav want their genophage cure....

Modifié par Barquiel, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:45 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Barquiel wrote...
Tali jumps off a cliff on Rannoch (the genocide of other races doesn't seem to bother her)

Not true, she is saddened by the demise of the Geth, if she befriended Legion. She's also rather saddened if the Rachni are killed in ME3.

[Barquiel]

Necanor wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
Tali jumps off a cliff on Rannoch (the genocide of other races doesn't seem to bother her)

Not true, she is saddened by the demise of the Geth, if she befriended Legion. She's also rather saddened if the Rachni are killed in ME3.

My point is that people always react more strongly when disaster strikes close to home. People criticize Liara for being more fixated on the fall of Thessia than the fall of other homeworlds...Yes, that's true. But Shepard does exactly the same with Earth. Garrus does exactly the same with Palavan, etc. And that's completely understandable. Friends and family could potentially be dying on those worlds. Of course they'd be more fixated on home (who wouldn't?).

Maybe Tali is rather saddened if the Rachni are killed in ME3 (but she didn't commit suicide if Shep kills the queen ). Liara said on several occasions how sorry she is for Earth, both before and after Thessia. She also asked how Garrus is doing after Palaven. But it's simply not the same.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Omega Torsk wrote...

Liara... during ALL of Thessia! (And when she first saw a Banshee)

Really? It's "sad" for the rest of the galaxy to burn, but when it's YOUR home and YOUR people, suddenly that righteous anger manifests itself and you break down? Did she really think that the Asari would survive by defeating the Reapers with art, philosophy, diplomacy, and lapdances?

A part of me believes it was intentional, since Liara does suffer from pride/naivety issues, but still... if I had the option of leaving her behind on the Normandy during Thessia, I would've taken it. Her mental state at that point is highly questionable. Proves to me that the badass Shadow Broker persona was all a front.

I like to celebrate the fall of Thessia by taking her on the Ardat Yakshi monastery mission immediately afterwards. 

[David7204]

You know, it's posts like these that really prevent me from taking 'Renegade' players seriously. When I see people trying to legitimately argue that someone is mentally impaired for being upset at the extinction of their species, how can I possibily take that as anything but the laughable joke that it is?

Modifié par David7204, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

You know, it's posts like these that really prevent me from taking 'Renegade' players seriously. When I see people trying to legitimately argue that someone is mentally impaired for being upset at the extinction of their species, how can I possibily take that as anything but the laughable joke that it is?

Not sure if that's directed at me or what, but, few things:

-- There is no correleation between liking/not liking Liara and preferring Renegade or Paragon moralities. I've seen plenty of people who favor Paragon playthroughs and have the same complaints about Liara as any other Liara non-fan.

-- I think by mentally-impaired, the above posters merely mean to say that's she's unfocused. And since ME2 will have us believe that soldiers in a ground-war need to have their ish together to perform well on the battlefield, it's a legitimate concern. Frankly I did not want to take Liara along on Thessia at all because I had a feeling it was going to go like it did... in which case, why do I want an emotionally-distressed solider covering my back when I can choose not to?

It's not like Liara contributes anything crucial to you during the mission, either. Javik actually provides far more insight.

-- I *do* think she has the right to be upset and grieve over what happens with Thessia. Again, though, I should not have had to be stuck with it because Liara wanted to be there. That's my call to make, and "that's my home" is really not reason enough for me to take a squadmate who I do not believe gives me the best chance for mission success.

-- It seems inconsistent for her to be as upset as she was over Thessia, considering: (1) LotSB DLC, where Liara is seen to act very pragmatically. Those were no less "her people" on Illium that got caught in a bombing than the ones dying on Thessia, both are asari worlds, but she recognizes that the former was simply the price to pay for trying to take down the Shadow Broker. You think she'd learn from the experience and recognize that many of her people are going to have to wrongfully die through the war before the resistance can do anything about it.

(2) She was not nearly as broken up over what happened to her mother as she is about Thessia. One typically tends to value the life of a family member far, far more than unnamed strangers. What happened to her mother was also something she could never have been ready for -- being mentally-corrupted and serving a galactic traitor, then having to be put down violently -- whereas Liara was aware of the Reaper menace for a very long time before Thessia fell. Instead, she is hardly bothered by the event that should have come as a shock to her, but is crushed about the other despite the writing-on-the-wall from years ago. Again, it just looks horribly inconsistent on her, all things considered.

[David7204]

First of all, ME 3 in general shows characters as much more emotional then they ME 1 did. So no, you really can't say Liara was more or less emotional over Benezia. The player was not shown her reaction.

Secondly, the sense of scale between what happen on Illium and what happened on Thessia should be obvious. And let me point out, Liara does indeed experience a catharsis after defeating the Shadow Broker anyway.

Modifié par David7204, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:48 .

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[teh DRUMPf!!]

David7204 wrote...

First of all, ME 3 in general shows characters as much more emotional then they ME 1 did. So no, you really can't say Liara was more or less emotional over Benezia. The player was not shown her reaction.

I'm sorry, but that is flat-out incorrect. We *do* see Liara's reaction to her what happens on Noveria in ME1, even without taking her along -- she reacts when you touch base with her on the ship after the mission. If she's in the party for the mission, then you see the reactions from her multiple times. And Liara is pretty devastated to see what happens to her mother, but when you ask her opinion again back on the ship, she indicates she's at peace with it. After one mission.

As a comparison, the Virmire Survivor is rather grief-stricken over the Virmire Casualty immediately following the mission, so it's not like ME1 characters were particularly "uninvolved" on an emotional level. ME2 is about the only iteration where characters (its supposed "strength," of all things) are particularly uninvolved, save for a handful of occasions.

Secondly, the sense of scale between what happen on Illium and what happened on Thessia should be obvious. And let me point out, Liara does indeed experience a catharsis after defeating the Shadow Broker anyway.

lol.

I understand scale just fine. Do you?

Liara said -- of her part in the bombing victims' death -- that she "would do it again" because she firmly believed the Shadow Broker had to be stopped. Again, that was simply price to pay for ending a dangerous enemy. Now compare one Shadow Broker to the entire Reaper armada. One Reaper is hundreds of times more powerful than the one well-connected yahg, so multiply that by a few hundred thousand. Is she expecting that the price to pay to stop those enemies is going to be the same as stopping the Shadow Broker? Again, you'd think she learned a thing or two about necessary sacrifices. Instead, it comes across like her toughness through LotSB was just an act, if we're to take everything at face value. More likely, though, Liara's character writer (Sylvia Fetuk-whatever) is just not very good.

... hence, my desire to "slap" her. Again, I admitted ITT that I have no good in-world reason to want to (verbally) slap Liare. However, I would want to do so mainly a symbolic gesture of rejection of her badly-written character.