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[Siegdrifa]

I always wanted to slap Udina, then i got much more than slaping in ME3.

In the end... i think i would have prefered to KO Udina with a after a short hand on hand fight instead of killing him, so i could make him confront the stupidity of his actions.
I think it was more important to make him realise he was an a**hole all along and deserve to be looked down by others rather than killed without time for him to realise he was a morron.

[David7204]

Wow. I'm curious to hear what other fiction you enjoy if those "little things" would make you quit. I'm curious to hear what other series don't have "little things." What series don't have such "little things," StreetMagic?

[Barquiel]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

"Primarch Victus, I need the Turian military to coordinate a counterattack against the Reapers with which we'll deploy the Crucible from"

vs.

"My home! Shepard, my home is burning! Damn those Reapers for killing my people!"

Shepard explicitly says she wants the turian fleet to take Earth back (See this devastation Primarch? Double that for Earth).

[Omega Torsk]

Barquiel wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

David7204 wrote...

You know, it's posts like these that really prevent me from taking 'Renegade' players seriously. When I see people trying to legitimately argue that someone is mentally impaired for being upset at the extinction of their species, how can I possibily take that as anything but the laughable joke that it is?

Never was implying that she was mentally impaired. Her focus is just massively skewed at that point. Look at Shepard and Garrus. Their homeworlds are burning, but they both take a very pragmatic course in dealing with it. Liara seemingly panics at the beginning through to the middle of the Thessia mission. She knew this was coming. She was one of the first to even know about the cycle of extinction and the Reapers. And at the point where it mattered most, she broke down and began lashing out. This is why I wish that it was optional to take her with you to Thessia.

Shepard? Taking a very pragmatic course in dealing with it?



Primarch Victus. I need the turian fleet!!!!!

That's much worse than anything Liara says about Thessia.

That doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making. Like, at all. Shepard asked for assistance from the turians, he didn't lay down a sob story about Earth.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

I'll go nice and slow for you, Massively. StreetMagic and I were having a conversation about LotSB being fanservice. He said it was. I said it wasn't. You came along and said "No. But this content is fanservice."

It's very clear that you were referring to LotSB and backed off once your discovered your usual little tactic of blaming everything you don't like on a writer you don't like couldn't be true.

It's very clear to you maybe. But then again, you have a talent for seeing things that are out of whack. 

I'll be clear now. I wasn't referring to LotSB. I'm not going to say how I feel about LotSB. I'm ambivalent. There are elements of fanservice in it, and there are elements of an alright plot.

Once again, I never blamed everything I don't like on one writer. I do blame one writer for making a lot of things I don't like however. 

So David, you can stop presuming to be so intelligent as to proclaim your observations as objective reality.

[David7204]

This is a 'fight' to you? I'm just curious. You say Mass Effect is full of "little things" that apparently bother you so much they would cause you to quit for another series. Assuming you enjoy other fiction, that surely means there are plenty of series out there that have no "little things"? I'm just interested in what series those are, exactly.

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

"Primarch Victus, I need the Turian military to coordinate a counterattack against the Reapers with which we'll deploy the Crucible from"

vs.

"My home! Shepard, my home is burning! Damn those Reapers for killing my people!"

Shepard explicitly says she wants the turian fleet to take Earth back (See this devastation Primarch? Double that for Earth).

.  A good example of Shepard knowing where his loyaties should be.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Barquiel wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

"Primarch Victus, I need the Turian military to coordinate a counterattack against the Reapers with which we'll deploy the Crucible from"

vs.

"My home! Shepard, my home is burning! Damn those Reapers for killing my people!"

Shepard explicitly says she wants the turian fleet to take Earth back (See this devastation Primarch? Double that for Earth).

It's also later changed in further conversation to refer to coordinating a counterattack centered around the Crucible. A hiccup in dialogue (which I also see as being indicative as Shepard warning the Primarch that what is happening on Earth will happen to Palaven later if he doesn't help) versus a near complete breakdown on Liara's part.

[Omega Torsk]

Since this thread seems to be machine-gunning posts at a rapid rate, I'll continue.

Barquiel wrote...

Shepard explicitly says she wants the turian fleet to take Earth back (See this devastation Primarch? Double that for Earth).

Well... the Primarch didn't have to agree to it, you know.

When I said pragmatic, I meant that Shepard and Garrus were taking the Reaper devastation like... well, grown-ups.

[Barquiel]

Omega Torsk wrote...

That doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making. Like, at all. Shepard asked for assistance from the turians, he didn't lay down a sob story about Earth.

No? Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake Earth. She does this despite Earth not having any military or strategic significance that should have placed it at a higher priority above either Palaven, Thessia or any other homeworld. How is that pragmatic?

[Omega Torsk]

In response to your latter point, refer to my above post.

Also, Udina states that Earth faces the brunt of the attack. And humans are building the Crucible. I'd say making sure that they succeed is more pragmatic than being slowly whittled down by the Reaeprs.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Siegdrifa wrote...

I always wanted to slap Udina, then i got much more than slaping in ME3.

In the end... i think i would have prefered to KO Udina with a after a short hand on hand fight instead of killing him, so i could make him confront the stupidity of his actions.
I think it was more important to make him realise he was an a**hole all along and deserve to be looked down by others rather than killed without time for him to realise he was a morron.

I thought Udina was a tragic figure. I wish I didn't have to kill him. But unfortunately, the situation of the war caused him to lose it and side with Cerberus (other tragic figures who I wish I didn't have to fight) to take a rash course of action that, while meaning well, was doomed to failure. And, of course, he was a clear and present danger.

I wish that he had the patience to let me handle the war while he handled the policy-making and getting humanity and the council collectively geared for the fight. He could have and should have done that. That' why I put him on the council in the first place.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 septembre 2013 - 10:11 .

[David7204]

StreetMagic wrote...

David7204 wrote...

This is a 'fight' to you? I'm just curious. You say Mass Effect is full of "little things" that apparently bother you so much they would cause you to quit for another series. Assuming you enjoy other fiction, that surely means there are plenty of series out there that have no "little things"? I'm just interested in what series those are, exactly.

I said I wouldn't quit. Nor have I.

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Serious as serious questions can be. Totally serious. You come off as mentally ill. Like you can't help yourself from looking for something to latch on to to be combative about.

I'm sorry, is following up on what people say so unfamiliar to you that you consider it a problem? That's called deductive reasoning, socratic irony, and curiosity. Why exactly would I even bother spending time here if I didn't confront what people say and think? 

So let me ask for a third time. What series exactly do enjoy that don't have these 'little things'? It's a very simple question. All I'm doing is making an innocent follow up of what you said. It's just an easy little question for you to answer.

Modifié par David7204, 07 septembre 2013 - 10:12 .

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

That doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making. Like, at all. Shepard asked for assistance from the turians, he didn't lay down a sob story about Earth.

No? Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake Earth. She does this despite Earth not having any military or strategic significance that should have placed it at a higher priority above either Palaven, Thessia or any other homeworld. How is that pragmatic?

Earth has a higher population, is an important manufacturing base, and shipyards at Arcturus.

[David7204]

I'm making it about other series. You said Mass Effect has 'little things' that clearly bother you to a great extent, including Shepard asking the turians. I like fiction. I'm interested to hear about good stories. So I see one of two possibilities. Either every series you know of has such 'little things,' or they don't. In which case you should have no trouble at all naming them for me, should you?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And the other systems aren't important to the other races. Humans are speshul Liara keeps asking when we visit Palaven "Was it this bad on earth?" Shepard replies "Worse". When we see Thessia. She didn't have the nerve to say "Worse." then. But it's always "Worse" like everyone is being selfish for defending their systems. The shipyards at Arcturus were destroyed out the gate.

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...
I'm making it about other series. You said Mass Effect has 'little things' that clearly bother you to a great extent, including Shepard asking the turians. I like fiction. I'm interested to hear about good stories. So I see one of two possibilities. Either every series you know of has such 'little things,' or they don't. In which case you should have no trouble at all naming them for me, should you?

At what point did he imply other series don't have things that bother him? I'm curious.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 septembre 2013 - 10:21 .

[David7204]

Because he said they bothered him to the extent of pushing him towards quitting the series. So obviously if every series had such problems, he would basically be avoiding fiction altogether, would he not?

[GreyLycanTrope]

David7204 wrote...

Because he said they bothered him to the extent of pushing him towards quitting the series. So obviously if every series had such problems, he would basically be avoiding fiction altogether, would he not?

He also said he didn't drop the series though, the point that you can find things you don't like about any seires is entirely moot. Reading comprehension David, I advise it.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Because he said they bothered him to the extent of pushing him towards quitting the series. So obviously if every series had such problems, he would basically be avoiding fiction altogether, would he not?

Implying that every single one of them has same kind of problem for him

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Because he said they bothered him to the extent of pushing him towards quitting the series. So obviously if every series had such problems, he would basically be avoiding fiction altogether, would he not?

No. You're coming to a conclusion that isn't supported by his statement. In fact, you're making up two false conclusions for him to choose from based on what I'd imagine as a sophistry and megalomaniacal superiority complex in internet arguments.

You aren't accounting for the fact that every problem might not be the same, or that the varying quality or draw of other universes might give him different thresholds of acceptance for the problems.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 septembre 2013 - 10:27 .