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[Steelcan]

The asari as a whole are fit for one thing.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

Oh, please. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that dialogue was perfect in ME 1 and ME 2 and then went totally downhill in ME 3.

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!"

A strawman: You're claiming that since someone is criticizing the dialogue in ME3, they must believe that the dialogue in ME1 and ME2 is perfect.

Yet no one made such a claim. The claim that was presented (and from a completely subjective basis) was that the person did not like the dialogue in ME3 and felt the dialogue in ME1 and ME2 was better.

I concur with his assessment.

[Lady Mortho]

Everyone option possible.

[RZIBARA]

Necanor wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

@Barquiel, she didn't do her job. She whined and cried and should have stayed on the ship. Her meltdown only proves that she is not able to handle it.

Yep, pretty much. Garrus keeps his cool prefectly when Palaven is attacked. Sure, he's disturbed and saddened on the Normandy, but he keeps it together while in battle. Same with Tali.

same with the VS. even javik whos the last of his kind keeps his cool (by making it his mission to kill the reapers)

[TheMyron]

TheMyron wrote...

I really can't stand how many times Shepard says something stupid in ME3; I so much liked it better how in the first two games, he kept his mouth shut until it was his turn to speak, and when that turn came it was totally up to the player to decide what got said and how.

This is why I say that Shepard needs a good slapping; every time I, the player, am in "combat mode" and Shepard makes a statement without the involvement of the player at all, I feel like asking: "Shepard, did I give you permission to say something?" Slap*Slap.

[Sir DeLoria]

Barquiel wrote...
Garrus had a lot more time to deal with the situation. Palaven is already under siege (for several days) when Shepard arrives.

Tali either commits suicide or gains her homeworld back. Not much to complain about for her part...

Shepard complains...a lot (and has weird dreams about some kid)

Liara takes it hard, but pushes the grief back to do her job (after a single pep-talk). So why is this allowed to everyone else except Liara? And if she didn't have some kind of break down I would consider this a major OOC moment. She isn't a trained soldier.

Exactly this is my point, she isn't fit for war. Yeah, Tali commits suicide after watching her people get destroyed, but despite all the pressure she keeps herself together during the fighting. Garrus doesn't know if his family is still alive and still keeps his focus on the mission.

[Barquiel]

Necanor wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
Garrus had a lot more time to deal with the situation. Palaven is already under siege (for several days) when Shepard arrives.

Tali either commits suicide or gains her homeworld back. Not much to complain about for her part...

Shepard complains...a lot (and has weird dreams about some kid)

Liara takes it hard, but pushes the grief back to do her job (after a single pep-talk). So why is this allowed to everyone else except Liara? And if she didn't have some kind of break down I would consider this a major OOC moment. She isn't a trained soldier.

Exactly this is my point, she isn't fit for war. Yeah, Tali commits suicide after watching her people get destroyed, but despite all the pressure she keeps herself together during the fighting. Garrus doesn't know if his family is still alive and still keeps his focus on the mission.

Just like Liara. She never hesitates to shoot on Banshees, she simply doesn't become accustomed to it. And she certainly doesn't jeopardize the mission on Thessia (it's Liara who manages to save Shepard at he end of the mission.). Ok, she takes no pleasure in killing, but that doesn't mean she isn't fit for war.

[TheMyron]

RZIBARA wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Javik.

how dare you!!

to the airlock with you!!

Why does everyone seem to prefer Javik's advice with the Airlock? Why not follow Wrex's advice about your enemies.

A Salarian once tried to slap me. I had his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

Modifié par TheMyron, 08 septembre 2013 - 01:48 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

(... this should answer David's question as well)

AlanC9 wrote...

Can't a character be a badass sometimes, and non-badass other times? I'm not sure I'd call this inconsistent -- even Jack Bauer broke down and cried once or twice, though he did snap out of it faster.

I think my real issue with Liara's character is in ME3, she's neither here nor there. In ME1, she's the shy, book-smart type. I was not a fan of her here -- being a squadmate didn't make reasonable sense -- but at least her character was firmly grounded. In ME2, she's more the cold, resourceful agent. It feels a bit off in the vanilla game, but LotSB adds more context and it works, IMO. I was beginning to like her in the DLC. Come ME3, though, she flip-flops between both of these two personalities and it just doesn't work. Just take her intro on Mars: she goes from slaughtering Cerberus in cold blood, to getting soft and chummy (bordering on romantic) with Shepard, capped off with the brainy Prothean expert routine.

It really just feels like they wanted to make her more desirable by giving her that "edge." She's a brainy, booksmart type if you're into that sort of thing, but then she's also an ass-kicking femme fatale (sp?) to appeal to those who are not.

I have the same issues with her as I do with Samara's character -- same writer's work.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:04 .

[Excella Gionne]

Dalatrass: Her statements are just based on hate and speculation. But I can't risk killing Krogans off.

Jacob: For cheating on you!

Ashley: Because she's Ashley.

Wrex: And then we make out!

[Hexley UK]

Diana Alllers for her mere existence.

[TheMyron]

Hexley UK wrote...

Diana Alllers for her mere existence.

Indeed, her mere existence is why Emily Wong never got a chance to get on the Normandy.

[KaiserShep]

Necanor wrote...

Garrus keeps his cool prefectly when Palaven is attacked. Sure, he's disturbed and saddened on the Normandy, but he keeps it together while in battle. Same with Tali.

Tali doesn't really contend with seeing her civilization fall apart though, since the Quarians are already reduced to space nomads. And the only missions that include her as a mandatory squaddie are the geth dreadnought and geth-occupied Rannoch, which is on the brink of being retaken. Of course Garrus takes it the best, seeing as how Turians are much more hardened to war. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 septembre 2013 - 03:40 .

[Br3admax]

Lol, no it's not. The only reason she's a mandatory "squaddie" is because a developer cried hard enough. That's why she's a freaking admiral, but can then just walk away like nothing happened.

[KaiserShep]

I never said the reason why she's mandatory; I only said that she is. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 septembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[MACharlie1]

KaiserShep wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Garrus keeps his cool prefectly when Palaven is attacked. Sure, he's disturbed and saddened on the Normandy, but he keeps it together while in battle. Same with Tali.

Tali doesn't really contend with seeing her civilization fall apart though, since the Quarians are already reduced to space nomads. And the only missions that include her as a mandatory squaddie are the geth dreadnought and geth-occupied Rannoch, which is on the brink of being retaken. Of course Garrus takes it the best, seeing as how Turians are much more hardened to war. 

I think the difference between Tali and Liara was that after Tali DIES herself, it wasn't tragic or there wasn't a moment of heartbreak on the Normandy like there was for Liara. After Thessia, the entire Normandy goes "Oh poor Liara...", I think maybe only Joker, Ashley and Garrus comment on Tali commiting suicide. I have a feeling a lot of people would say less about Liara if every single on the Normandy including Shepard wasn't petting the dog. 

[KaiserShep]

What I was addressing was how each character reacts during their respective missions, I Tali's case you're all alone killing geth and either make peace, destroy the geth, or end it with Tali's suicide.

[Br3admax]

I think that it's more likely that BioWare didn't think that most people would pick the enemy from the past two games over the ally/lover from the past two games. No one would logically do that unless they had extreme prejudice/synth-love, and most people don't.

[KaiserShep]

I would guess that a lot of newcomers who didn't play the other two games simply went with geth VI's advice that their fleet is massive, suggesting that it's more powerful than the Quarians', and of course the wording of the alternative choice. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 septembre 2013 - 03:53 .

[Siegdrifa]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Oh, please. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that dialogue was perfect in ME 1 and ME 2 and then went totally downhill in ME 3.

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!"

A strawman: You're claiming that since someone is criticizing the dialogue in ME3, they must believe that the dialogue in ME1 and ME2 is perfect.

Yet no one made such a claim. The claim that was presented (and from a completely subjective basis) was that the person did not like the dialogue in ME3 and felt the dialogue in ME1 and ME2 was better.

I concur with his assessment.

The vaaaaste majority of the ME3 dialogue were either choosing between a moderate paragon or a moderate renegade option, and sometimes you had the "tell me more" third choice before you get back to your basic choice.

Because most of the time the dialogue Wheel is reduced to A or B, all my Shep ended as being identitcal in personnality, things that their are NOT when playng ME1 or ME2, i could really play and had the experience of "another Shep".
I liked reading about people Shep back in ME1 & 2 because their Shep personnality seemed different than mines, but with ME3, not anymore, my pure paragon and parage ended with a 10% difference in ME3 while in previous game they were hardly the same experience ; in ME3, they talk too much alike !

[DarthLaxian]

DuskWanderer wrote...

Title says it all. Pick an NPC in the series (no playable characters) and say which one you really wanted to slap, and why. 

Don't pick someone like Kai Leng that you end up killing or screwing over, or something already, pick someone who you never get the chance to call out.

I would slap Councilor Tevos after the Fall of Thessia. Planet falls because she and Asari High Command putzed around and everyone's all miserable: Could have had the Catalyst figured out already if they hadn't hung on to their pride. 

hey,

that really depends on which ME-Game and at what point in the game - for example in ME-1 it would either be the Turian-Councilor or Ambassador Udina (the Turian being at the start of the game and after almost every "vid-com"-session and Udina after he demands Anderson step aside and even more after grounding the Normandy) but i will attempt to make a list either way, so here goes:

- Turian-Councilor
- Udina
- Councilor Tevos (and Asari-High-Command)
- Salarian Dalatrass (that ****!)
- Vega (oh...i did ^^ in the mock-fight)
- Jacob (after back-stabbing and betraying female-Sheppard...oh boy was i ready to murder-knive that **** (never got the chance...BIOWARE...why not?))
- Thane (for playing the heron, when he has already done enough IMHO)
- Aria (i like her, but i would love to tussle it out with her - maybe beat a little respect into her
- Liara (for going all hard-ass on me (i liked her better in ME1))
- Ashley and/or Kaidan (for their betrayal in ME2 and their attitude at the start of ME3)
- Asley (again! - for her attitude towards the "aliens" i bring along on the Normandy)
- Specialist Trainor (the hottest human on your crew is a lesbian - thank you bioware!!!)
- Quarian Admirals (all of them - going to war, while the Apocalypse is upon the galaxy? - they are so nuts, it's no even funny anymore!)
- Alliance-Brass (locking Sheppard up with the reapers on the way? - really good plan...i have to say for myself, i could not have devised a better on -.- so bad IMHO...so failing to utterly at doing the right thing...)
- ...(and many more)

greetings LAX

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

I would guess that a lot of newcomers who didn't play the other two games simply went with geth VI's advice that their fleet is massive, suggesting that it's more powerful than the Quarians', and of course the wording of the alternative choice. 

Yeah the admirals can be kind of off putting to the newbies aw well. 

[TheMyron]

Siegdrifa wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Oh, please. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that dialogue was perfect in ME 1 and ME 2 and then went totally downhill in ME 3.

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!"

A strawman: You're claiming that since someone is criticizing the dialogue in ME3, they must believe that the dialogue in ME1 and ME2 is perfect.

Yet no one made such a claim. The claim that was presented (and from a completely subjective basis) was that the person did not like the dialogue in ME3 and felt the dialogue in ME1 and ME2 was better.

I concur with his assessment.

The vaaaaste majority of the ME3 dialogue were either choosing between a moderate paragon or a moderate renegade option, and sometimes you had the "tell me more" third choice before you get back to your basic choice.

Because most of the time the dialogue Wheel is reduced to A or B, all my Shep ended as being identitcal in personnality, things that their are NOT when playng ME1 or ME2, i could really play and had the experience of "another Shep".
I liked reading about people Shep back in ME1 & 2 because their Shep personnality seemed different than mines, but with ME3, not anymore, my pure paragon and parage ended with a 10% difference in ME3 while in previous game they were hardly the same experience ; in ME3, they talk too much alike !

Plus, the fact that in games 1 and 2, Shepard next to never makes a outside-the-dialogue-wheel statement, but in ME3, he does it all the time, much to my disgust.

[David7204]

That's complete nonsense.

I won't deny that it happens more often in ME 3, but the idea that it happened 'next to never' in ME 1 and ME 2 is a very silly delusion.

Modifié par David7204, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:12 .