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[lady_v23]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's gonna be another of those threads isn't it? Where's my mead?

Check my brain.

I would bet on how long till this is locked but I always lose.

[Shadow Fox]

Morocco Mole wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Romance threads are always comedy gold mine.

This is true my friend.

*gives popcorn*

[David7204]

You know, you have plenty of video games that offer the player the option or murder and genocide and all sorts of stuff like that. And no matter what, you always have plenty of people gleefully endorsing them, gleefully making elaborate arguments in their defense.

And then you go out into the world, and you look at what is doubtless the same demographic making those posts. Young males. And there's no trace of it. You see people who overwhelmingly lead mild lives.

And I look at that, and I wonder to myself "Do these people really believe what they say?" Why don't I see it in real life? Why don't I see the gleeful endorsements of murder and genocide? Now, obviously, you can't point to any one person, because obviously not everyone makes such posts. But you would think I would come across such attitudes occansionally, at least. Wouldn't you?

This is pretty much the same thing, isn't it?

Modifié par David7204, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:30 .

[2Pac]

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Guys ignore David.

'Tis not fun

Ignoring Plantiff would be better he's absolutely the most insufferable jackass I've ever had the misfortune of coming across.<_<

You have not been able to argue any of his point(s?) though, you are the one spewing assumptions around. Can't blame him for stating it repeatedly.

He makes no points, he said the same **** twice. "Nobody really needs any aspect of gaming"? Why the hell is he playing games if he's gonna go off claiming that because he can't live without romances? 

It's not about "Living without" it's simply enjoying a piece of content that Bioware happen to focus ona  bit more.
Romance is no less valuable than any other aspect of the game, the entire idea behind a "game" is that it is a piece of entertainment.

If Plaintiff and others like myself find romances entertaining in games too, why does it have to be elevated as more "unecessary" when the very nature of video games themselves are unecessary entertainment?

No Less Valuable? Are you kidding me? There are much more valuable things than "romances" Such as gameplay, graphics. etc. I guarantee The game would be so much better without romances. But no everyone would hate the game without their ****** material, If they focused more on dialouge options and gameplay the game would be much better.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

You know, you have plenty of video games that offer the player the option or murder and genocide and all sorts of stuff like that. And no matter what, you always have plenty of people gleefully endorsing them, gleefully making elaborate arguments in their defense.

And then you go out into the world, and you look at what is doubtless the same demographic making those posts. Young males. And there's no trace of it. You see people who overwhelmingly lead mild lives.

And I look at that, and I wonder to myself "Do these people really believe what they say?" Why don't I see it in real life? Why don't I see the gleeful endorsements of murder and genocide?

Changing the argument because no one is biting

[MassivelyEffective0730]

lady_v23 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

It's gonna be another of those threads isn't it? Where's my mead?

Check my brain.

I would bet on how long till this is locked but I always lose.

The pain of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath.

[mikeymoonshine]

Also what is with the whole "I would find the reaction to this comedy gold" crap and the people laughing at this topic?. Nobody has even gotten worked up here we are all just discussing weather the romances should be in the game.

[Silfren]

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story, and there's no reason NOT to have the romances, as they are ALWAYS optional content, but no, I wouldn't refuse to play the game.

[Steelcan]

Silfren wrote...

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story

lol

[Volus Warlord]

Silfren wrote...

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story, and there's no reason NOT to have the romances, as they are ALWAYS optional content, but no, I wouldn't refuse to play the game.

Every time I hear optional content defense I want to kick a puppy

[Knight of Dane]

J. Reezy wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
the very nature of video games themselves are unecessary entertainment?

Since when was that the very nature of video games?

Since they were created.

Call it the nature of human need for occupation if you will.

We used to work all day sleep all night.

Now we have a lot of automated systems which takes care of a portion of the daily chores etc.

So now we have more time, time which gets boring.

So we make more games, books, movies etc. to entertain us in that time.

Games that would be unecessary if we peeled the carrots ourselves and washed our own cars.

Romance are no more unecessary than the very media they appear in.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

You know, you have plenty of video games that offer the player the option or murder and genocide and all sorts of stuff like that. And no matter what, you always have plenty of people gleefully endorsing them, gleefully making elaborate arguments in their defense.

And then you go out into the world, and you look at what is doubtless the same demographic making those posts. Young males. And there's no trace of it. You see people who overwhelmingly lead mild lives.

And I look at that, and I wonder to myself "Do these people really believe what they say?" Why don't I see it in real life? Why don't I see the gleeful endorsements of murder and genocide? Now, obviously, you can't point to any one person, because obviously not everyone makes such posts. But you would think I would come across such attitudes occansionally, at least. Wouldn't you?

This is pretty much the same thing, isn't it?

Because we can do stuff in video games that we can't do in real life? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Knight of Dane wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
the very nature of video games themselves are unecessary entertainment?

Since when was that the very nature of video games?

Since they were created.

Call it the nature of human need for occupation if you will.

We used to work all day sleep all night.

Now we have a lot of automated systems which takes care of a portion of the daily chores etc.

So now we have more time, time which gets boring.

So we make more games, books, movies etc. to entertain us in that time.

Games that would be unecessary if we peeled the carrots ourselves and washed our own cars.

Romance are no more unecessary than the very media they appear in.

You just called entertainment unnecessary while describing why it is so necessary. 

[LethesDeep]

alliance commander wrote...

No Less Valuable? Are you kidding me? There are much more valuable things than "romances" Such as gameplay, graphics. etc. I guarantee The game would be so much better without romances. But no everyone would hate the game without their ****** material, If they focused more on dialouge options and gameplay the game would be much better.

Gameplay is important, graphics is debateable (I'd say aesthetics is more important as even decades old games still look good despite the graphics being outdated). As for the "****** material", tell me, do you get in relationships just for sex? I don't, I get in relationships to know the other person more. What you decry and what you advocate are not mutually exclusive, just requires a reworking of some phrases and the removal of a 15 second scene.

[David7204]

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

[sandalisthemaker]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story, and there's no reason NOT to have the romances, as they are ALWAYS optional content, but no, I wouldn't refuse to play the game.

Every time I hear optional content defense I want to kick a puppy

It's true though.

You guys can complain and lash out all you want, but it's only because you know the romance content is inevitable and it pissess you off. 
lol

[AresKeith]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story, and there's no reason NOT to have the romances, as they are ALWAYS optional content, but no, I wouldn't refuse to play the game.

Every time I hear optional content defense I want to kick a puppy

It's true though.

You guys can complain and lash out all you want, but it's only because you know the romance content is inevitable and it pissess you off. 
lol

>implying the romance content pisses them off

[mikeymoonshine]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story, and there's no reason NOT to have the romances, as they are ALWAYS optional content, but no, I wouldn't refuse to play the game.

Every time I hear optional content defense I want to kick a puppy

It's true though.

You guys can complain and lash out all you want, but it's only because you know the romance content is inevitable and it pissess you off. 
lol

Side quests are all optional content tbh wouldn't it be better to just cut them from the game? 

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

We arguing about video games. 

[Shadow Fox]

Honestly don't care.

[dreamgazer]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

You guys can complain and lash out all you want, but it's only because you know the romance content is inevitable and it pissess you off. 
lol

Who's pissed?

[Knight of Dane]

alliance commander wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Guys ignore David.

'Tis not fun

Ignoring Plantiff would be better he's absolutely the most insufferable jackass I've ever had the misfortune of coming across.<_<

You have not been able to argue any of his point(s?) though, you are the one spewing assumptions around. Can't blame him for stating it repeatedly.

He makes no points, he said the same **** twice. "Nobody really needs any aspect of gaming"? Why the hell is he playing games if he's gonna go off claiming that because he can't live without romances? 

It's not about "Living without" it's simply enjoying a piece of content that Bioware happen to focus ona  bit more.
Romance is no less valuable than any other aspect of the game, the entire idea behind a "game" is that it is a piece of entertainment.

If Plaintiff and others like myself find romances entertaining in games too, why does it have to be elevated as more "unecessary" when the very nature of video games themselves are unecessary entertainment?

No Less Valuable? Are you kidding me? There are much more valuable things than "romances" Such as gameplay, graphics. etc. I guarantee The game would be so much better without romances. But no everyone would hate the game without their ****** material, If they focused more on dialouge options and gameplay the game would be much better.

That depends entirely on opinion. There is no factual argument that any content in a game is more important than others.

There is of course design arguments, gameplay goes first because that's the experience in a game, but if you only focused on that you would end up with a boring shell that might be fun to try first.

Wether the game would be better or not is not an argument I feel like getting into, for none of us would be right. What I'm arguing is that your opinion is not fact, neither are mine, but romance is going to stay as long as there is a demand for it, and as long as it is expected in bioware games.

You are the only one using the word ****** in this discussion, I am not interested in going low enough to argue against such chilish statements. When you have to stoop to insulting terms it just shows that you are trying to cover up the gaping hole that is your missing arguments.

If you really dislike romances so much that you think it ruins your game experience then play another game.

That's what I do when I dislike a game enough; change game.

[sandalisthemaker]

AresKeith wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story, and there's no reason NOT to have the romances, as they are ALWAYS optional content, but no, I wouldn't refuse to play the game.

Every time I hear optional content defense I want to kick a puppy

It's true though.

You guys can complain and lash out all you want, but it's only because you know the romance content is inevitable and it pissess you off. 
lol

>implying the romance content pisses them off

It's gotta do something to trigger this sort of negative reaction now doesn't it.

[David7204]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

We arguing about video games. 

In this thread we are. But in general, no. In fact, one of the big points of having themes in stories in the first place is how they apply to real life. So do these arguments stop once the themes exit the game and enter reality?

Mine don't stop. Every theme I've argued I stand behind fully in real life and in the games.