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[Steelcan]

dreamgazer wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

You guys can complain and lash out all you want, but it's only because you know the romance content is inevitable and it pissess you off. 
lol

Who's pissed?

Its true.  Romance content makes me red in the eyes

[GreyLycanTrope]

Knight of Dane wrote...
Since they were created.

Call it the nature of human need for occupation if you will.

We used to work all day sleep all night.

Now we have a lot of automated systems which takes care of a portion of the daily chores etc.

So now we have more time, time which gets boring.

So we make more games, books, movies etc. to entertain us in that time.

Games that would be unecessary if we peeled the carrots ourselves and washed our own cars.

Romance are no more unecessary than the very media they appear in.

Wouldn't the fact that human nature compels the need to occupy our time infact make all forms of entertainment not needless?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Knight of Dane]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
the very nature of video games themselves are unecessary entertainment?

Since when was that the very nature of video games?

Since they were created.

Call it the nature of human need for occupation if you will.

We used to work all day sleep all night.

Now we have a lot of automated systems which takes care of a portion of the daily chores etc.

So now we have more time, time which gets boring.

So we make more games, books, movies etc. to entertain us in that time.

Games that would be unecessary if we peeled the carrots ourselves and washed our own cars.

Romance are no more unecessary than the very media they appear in.

You just called entertainment unnecessary while describing why it is so necessary. 

No, I said it was entirely unecessary because we could just work our asses off instead. That way we wouldn't need unecessary entertainment.

[2Pac]

LethesDeep wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

No Less Valuable? Are you kidding me? There are much more valuable things than "romances" Such as gameplay, graphics. etc. I guarantee The game would be so much better without romances. But no everyone would hate the game without their ****** material, If they focused more on dialouge options and gameplay the game would be much better.

Gameplay is important, graphics is debateable (I'd say aesthetics is more important as even decades old games still look good despite the graphics being outdated). As for the "****** material", tell me, do you get in relationships just for sex? I don't, I get in relationships to know the other person more. What you decry and what you advocate are not mutually exclusive, just requires a reworking of some phrases and the removal of a 15 second scene.

Treating a video game romance as if it was real is revolting, You're basically stating video game romances are no different than real life, How ignorant.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

What does this have to do with romances, David?

Think of the romances!

[GDog89]

One Word : No

[Volus Warlord]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I'd be extremely disappointed because the romances are always well-written and add that much more to the story, and there's no reason NOT to have the romances, as they are ALWAYS optional content, but no, I wouldn't refuse to play the game.

Every time I hear optional content defense I want to kick a puppy

It's true though.

You guys can complain and lash out all you want, but it's only because you know the romance content is inevitable and it pissess you off. 
lol

The lolz is on you, my friend. I do not get nearly as upset about the presence of romances as much as some of the "enthusiasts" get upset about the absence of them.

I hate the "optional content" defense because it applies to damn near nothing else and you people toss it around like it's gospel. Sounds decent prima facie but has absolutely no substance to it. 

[AresKeith]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

It's gotta do something to trigger this sort of negative reaction now doesn't it.

It doesn't ****** them off

They actually don't like how some act obsessed over

[sandalisthemaker]

greengoron89 wrote...

I notice that every thread that gets derailed and turns into a flame war, all have David, Plaintiff, and sandalisthemaker prominently posting in them.

Now why would that be?

It also tends to have Volus Warlord, Inquisitor Recon,and Billy the Squid.

Takes two sides to tango.

[SlottsMachine]

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

We arguing about video games. 

In this thread we are. But in general, no. In fact, one of the big points of having themes in stories in the first place is how they apply to real life. So do these arguments stop once the themes exit the game and enter reality?

Mine don't stop. Every theme I've argued I stand behind fully in real life and in the games.

What?

[lady_v23]

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Guys ignore David.

'Tis not fun

Ignoring Plantiff would be better he's absolutely the most insufferable jackass I've ever had the misfortune of coming across.<_<

You have not been able to argue any of his point(s?) though, you are the one spewing assumptions around. Can't blame him for stating it repeatedly.

He makes no points, he said the same **** twice. "Nobody really needs any aspect of gaming"? Why the hell is he playing games if he's gonna go off claiming that because he can't live without romances? 

It's not about "Living without" it's simply enjoying a piece of content that Bioware happen to focus ona  bit more.
Romance is no less valuable than any other aspect of the game, the entire idea behind a "game" is that it is a piece of entertainment.

If Plaintiff and others like myself find romances entertaining in games too, why does it have to be elevated as more "unecessary" when the very nature of video games themselves are unecessary entertainment?

No Less Valuable? Are you kidding me? There are much more valuable things than "romances" Such as gameplay, graphics. etc. I guarantee The game would be so much better without romances. But no everyone would hate the game without their ****** material, If they focused more on dialouge options and gameplay the game would be much better.

That depends entirely on opinion. There is no factual argument that any content in a game is more important than others.

There is of course design arguments, gameplay goes first because that's the experience in a game, but if you only focused on that you would end up with a boring shell that might be fun to try first.

Wether the game would be better or not is not an argument I feel like getting into, for none of us would be right. What I'm arguing is that your opinion is not fact, neither are mine, but romance is going to stay as long as there is a demand for it, and as long as it is expected in bioware games.

You are the only one using the word ****** in this discussion, I am not interested in going low enough to argue against such chilish statements. When you have to stoop to insulting terms it just shows that you are trying to cover up the gaping hole that is your missing arguments.

If you really dislike romances so much that you think it ruins your game experience then play another game.

That's what I do when I dislike a game enough; change game.

Wow ! a voice of reason!   Here!?  amazing.

[Plaintiff]

alliance commander wrote...

LethesDeep wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

No Less Valuable? Are you kidding me? There are much more valuable things than "romances" Such as gameplay, graphics. etc. I guarantee The game would be so much better without romances. But no everyone would hate the game without their ****** material, If they focused more on dialouge options and gameplay the game would be much better.

Gameplay is important, graphics is debateable (I'd say aesthetics is more important as even decades old games still look good despite the graphics being outdated). As for the "****** material", tell me, do you get in relationships just for sex? I don't, I get in relationships to know the other person more. What you decry and what you advocate are not mutually exclusive, just requires a reworking of some phrases and the removal of a 15 second scene.

Treating a video game romance as if it was real is revolting, You're basically stating video game romances are no different than real life, How ignorant.

Nowhere in there did he say anything of the kind.

[Knight of Dane]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
Since they were created.

Call it the nature of human need for occupation if you will.

We used to work all day sleep all night.

Now we have a lot of automated systems which takes care of a portion of the daily chores etc.

So now we have more time, time which gets boring.

So we make more games, books, movies etc. to entertain us in that time.

Games that would be unecessary if we peeled the carrots ourselves and washed our own cars.

Romance are no more unecessary than the very media they appear in.

Wouldn't the fact the human nature comples need to occupy our time infact make all for of entertainment not needless?

It has become needed because of technological advancement, not because of nature.

Anyway, I'm done arguing this. My point is just that romance is optional, just as playing the game entirely is. If ones dislikes the romantic content then either ignore it or play something without it. There's a big market with a lot of games out there.

[David7204]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

What does this have to do with romances, David?

Think of the romances!

Quite a bit. Because just like I don't think players seriously believe what they say about genocide and murder, I don't think they believe what they say about romance. Specifically, that people go through the romances to watch a 15 second PG-13 sex scene. Because that's stupid.

Modifié par David7204, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:42 .

[mikeymoonshine]

Tbf this is all just speculation nobody should be getting all pissed off.

Seems to be overly pissed off romance fans vs weirdly smug and sure of their own opinion anti romance people.

[Knight of Dane]

lady_v23 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Guys ignore David.

'Tis not fun

Ignoring Plantiff would be better he's absolutely the most insufferable jackass I've ever had the misfortune of coming across.<_<

You have not been able to argue any of his point(s?) though, you are the one spewing assumptions around. Can't blame him for stating it repeatedly.

He makes no points, he said the same **** twice. "Nobody really needs any aspect of gaming"? Why the hell is he playing games if he's gonna go off claiming that because he can't live without romances? 

It's not about "Living without" it's simply enjoying a piece of content that Bioware happen to focus ona  bit more.
Romance is no less valuable than any other aspect of the game, the entire idea behind a "game" is that it is a piece of entertainment.

If Plaintiff and others like myself find romances entertaining in games too, why does it have to be elevated as more "unecessary" when the very nature of video games themselves are unecessary entertainment?

No Less Valuable? Are you kidding me? There are much more valuable things than "romances" Such as gameplay, graphics. etc. I guarantee The game would be so much better without romances. But no everyone would hate the game without their ****** material, If they focused more on dialouge options and gameplay the game would be much better.

That depends entirely on opinion. There is no factual argument that any content in a game is more important than others.

There is of course design arguments, gameplay goes first because that's the experience in a game, but if you only focused on that you would end up with a boring shell that might be fun to try first.

Wether the game would be better or not is not an argument I feel like getting into, for none of us would be right. What I'm arguing is that your opinion is not fact, neither are mine, but romance is going to stay as long as there is a demand for it, and as long as it is expected in bioware games.

You are the only one using the word ****** in this discussion, I am not interested in going low enough to argue against such chilish statements. When you have to stoop to insulting terms it just shows that you are trying to cover up the gaping hole that is your missing arguments.

If you really dislike romances so much that you think it ruins your game experience then play another game.

That's what I do when I dislike a game enough; change game.

Wow ! a voice of reason!   Here!?  amazing.

I study this crap, I have to be resonable! 

[wolfhowwl]

Most of us view the romances as goofy fun but there are always those who take it too far.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:42 .

[sandalisthemaker]

AresKeith wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

It's gotta do something to trigger this sort of negative reaction now doesn't it.

It doesn't ****** them off

They actually don't like how some act obsessed over

Very few people are as obsessed as they claim all of the people who like romance are.
They always resort to insulting people,  calling them deviants, who get off on the romances as if they were porn, etc..  Just like they are now.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

We arguing about video games. 

In this thread we are. But in general, no. In fact, one of the big points of having themes in stories in the first place is how they apply to real life. So do these arguments stop once the themes exit the game and enter reality?

Mine don't stop. Every theme I've argued I stand behind fully in real life and in the games.

Themes from stories apply to real life. I'll remember that the next time I'm killed by a synthetic that's trying to save me from being killed by a synthetic.

I don't think you realize how mundane your life is. 

It's wish-fulfillment for you isn't it. Here you get all the attention you think you deserve!

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

What does this have to do with romances, David?

Think of the romances!

Quite a bit. Because just like I don't think players seriously believe what they say about genocide and murder, I don't think they believe what they say about romance. Specifically, that people go through the romances to watch a 15 PG-13 sex scene. Because that's stupid.

Perhaps people don't voice those opinions openly is because they know that few will agree with them and they will be labeled as aberrants (perhaps deservedly so)

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Moderately disappointed, because I've always really enjoyed that aspect of BioWare games and liked, in some cases, what they added. Yes, I can literally hear the snarky comments being fired my way as I type.

Would it stop me from buying the game, however? No. Would I be upset about it for more than ten minutes? Also no.

Modifié par SergeantSnookie, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:45 .

[SlottsMachine]

Guys, can we keep the quote pyramids to a minimum? Otherwise this thread might get very hard to read.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

So are you saying those elaborate arguments only apply to video games, then?

What does this have to do with romances, David?

Think of the romances!

Quite a bit. Because just like I don't think players seriously believe what they say about genocide and murder, I don't think they believe what they say about romance. Specifically, that people go through the romances to watch a 15 second PG-13 sex scene. Because that's stupid.

You've obviously never been to Dino's, The Red Garter, or Classy Chassis before...

Or been on the corner of 79th and Washington Street at 1:30 am. 

Let alone Kilroy's or the Tilted Kilt on Thirsty Thursday.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 07 septembre 2013 - 03:46 .

[Knight of Dane]

wolfhowwl wrote...

Most of us view the romances as goofy fun but there are always those who take it too far.

Heh, sometimes these forums seem to blur the line between "romance" and "fetish"