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What would be your reaction if Bioware announced that there wouldn't be any romances in DA:I


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Volus Warlord wrote...

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If romances where absent i would praise bioware for the rest of time. Romances are useless anyways, So Why do we need them? :whistle:

Why do we "need" any feature? Why do we "need" videogames at all?

If people enjoy a thing, that's more than adequate justification for continuing to make that thing.


I enjoy your suffering.

This is more than adequate justification for you to continue to suffer.

Herp a derp derp. Here comes Volus Warlord, spewing argumentum ad absurdum from every orifice.

One individual's right to enjoyment obviously does not trump another individual's right to bodily integrity. That goes without saying. That I should have to spell it out just for you is seriously mind-boggling.

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The implication is obvious to anyone with a grasp of the English language. 'Cliche' has a negative, or at the very least, immature connatation. Are we seriously arguing this? How many glowing reviews of supposedly mature stories describe them as cliche? Can anyone find me a single review of a single such story? How many negative reviews describe the content as cliche? Quite a few, I imagine. And yet people are seriously going to tell me cliche has no negative or immature connatation?

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Plaintiff wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

alliance commander wrote...

If romances where absent i would praise bioware for the rest of time. Romances are useless anyways, So Why do we need them? :whistle:

Why do we "need" any feature? Why do we "need" videogames at all?

If people enjoy a thing, that's more than adequate justification for continuing to make that thing.


I enjoy your suffering.

This is more than adequate justification for you to continue to suffer.

Herp a derp derp. Here comes Volus Warlord, spewing argumentum ad absurdum from every orifice.

One individual's right to enjoyment obviously does not trump another individual's right to bodily integrity. That goes without saying. That I should have to spell it out just for you is seriously mind-boggling.


It is I, Apollyon of your Joy! I have come from the depths of Hades to annihilate your beloved 30 second /fade to black S/S romances!

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To me, my favourite aspect of Bioware games have always been their relationships, regardless of romance. To take it out completely, I wouldn't agree to it. Though, if the relationships are done well enough and more importantly, for what they're trying to achieve for that specific game, then it might work.


I think that a removal of romance could open the door to deeper and more involved friendship/relationship if the ultimate endgame of your interactions wasn't a sexual relationship.


So do I. 

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The only person starting this argument here is YOU David, now stop derailing the thread or I'll report you

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spirosz wrote...

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To me, my favourite aspect of Bioware games have always been their relationships, regardless of romance. To take it out completely, I wouldn't agree to it. Though, if the relationships are done well enough and more importantly, for what they're trying to achieve for that specific game, then it might work.


I think that a removal of romance could open the door to deeper and more involved friendship/relationship if the ultimate endgame of your interactions wasn't a sexual relationship.


So do I. 


Co-signed. 

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I will also sign that

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AresKeith wrote...

The only person starting this argument here is YOU David, now stop derailing the thread or I'll report you

Just report him


Wait don't.... We already lost Wulfie forever

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Disappointed, but only because BioWare has become the experts on how to build and execute beautiful romances with brilliant culminations (no, not the sex) that leave a lasting impact on the lead character. Well, with the exception of Mass Effect 3. Half of those romances got flushed down the crapper or shortchanged. However, I wouldn't rage against BioWare or stop playing the games. 

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I play plenty of games without romance, but I think people are too extreme on both sides of this spectrum. Like, why is there "I WOULD NEVER PLAY THE GAME WITHOUT ROMANCES"? Why does there have to be "I would love Bioware for not including romances"?

The first one is just stupid, and the second one is kinda selfish. Like, what, you can't play a game unless there's a sex scene at the end? Or you won't be 100% satisfied unless Bioware takes away a feature that others enjoy?

I for one, love many games that don't have romances at all. On the other hand, I like them. I think romance has potential to add a lot to a story. I very much enjoyed Morrigan's romance in Origins. It was very meaningful when she told my Warden that she wanted to perform the ritual because it would save his life. And finally hearing her say "I love you" made me "d'awwww" at my screen.

Could I have gotten by without it? Sure. But that ending wouldn't have meant as much to me. Seeing a character going from spite, to intrigue, to entering a relationship based on sex, to actually falling in love. It was very touching, and I enjoyed it a lot.

Then there's DAII... now, I just wanna say that Aveline was the only character that wasn't infuriating to me, and she was not romanceable. I really would've preferred that she was, but since she wasn't, I played alone in DAII. There was romance, but I completely ignored the option because I hated all of the characters offered to me. That's probably not a good thing. Flaws are one thing. Morrigan's lack of being able to fall in love was a flaw. But Merrill being a complete moron, and Isabella being a giant skank? What about Anders being bat-sh*t insane? Or Fenris doing nothing but whining, CONSTANTLY? That's probably not a good example of in-game romances, in my opinion.

See Bioware, if you add romances, make them meaningful. Let them add on to my story. Don't just add them because people want to watch their character plow something.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The implication is obvious to anyone with a grasp of the English language. 'Cliche' has a negative, or at the very least, immature connatation. Are we seriously arguing this? How many glowing reviews of supposedly mature stories describe them as cliche? Can anyone find me a single review of a single such story? How many negative reviews describe the content as cliche? Quite a few, I imagine. And yet people are seriously going to tell me cliche has no negative or immature connatation?


Grasp of the English language? Your posts reek of Google translate.

He loves that line, and loves springing it at the most inopportune times

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Plaintiff wrote...

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If romances where absent i would praise bioware for the rest of time. Romances are useless anyways, So Why do we need them? :whistle:

Why do we "need" any feature? Why do we "need" videogames at all?

If people enjoy a thing, that's more than adequate justification for continuing to make that thing.


All Dragons age romances where just disgraceful "adequate justice"? I understand the majority of bioware fans like them but i feel as the developers should focus on gameplay and rather than waste time and work on romances no one really needs.  I guarantee all of bioware fans would riot because they couldn't ****** to their favorite "romance" I just think DA:I would be better off.

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My respect for Bioware would increase.



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I really fail to see how removing sex opens any doors to making relationships more mature. How about someone explain that to me. In detail.

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Grasping the English language gets me all hot and bothered.

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dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

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spirosz wrote...

To me, my favourite aspect of Bioware games have always been their relationships, regardless of romance. To take it out completely, I wouldn't agree to it. Though, if the relationships are done well enough and more importantly, for what they're trying to achieve for that specific game, then it might work.


I think that a removal of romance could open the door to deeper and more involved friendship/relationship if the ultimate endgame of your interactions wasn't a sexual relationship.


So do I. 


Co-signed. 

Does anybody care to expand on this line of thought at all?

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Disappointed, but only because BioWare has become the experts on how to build and execute beautiful romances with brilliant culminations (no, not the sex) that leave a lasting impact on the lead character. Well, with the exception of Mass Effect 3. Half of those romances got flushed down the crapper or shortchanged. However, I wouldn't rage against BioWare or stop playing the games. 


hahaha

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I really fail to see how removing sex opens any doors to making relationships more mature. How about someone explain that to me. In detail.

No, that's stupid

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Plaintiff wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

spirosz wrote...

To me, my favourite aspect of Bioware games have always been their relationships, regardless of romance. To take it out completely, I wouldn't agree to it. Though, if the relationships are done well enough and more importantly, for what they're trying to achieve for that specific game, then it might work.


I think that a removal of romance could open the door to deeper and more involved friendship/relationship if the ultimate endgame of your interactions wasn't a sexual relationship.

That doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense. Most long-term married couples are in sexual relationships. Would those relationships become "deeper and more involved" if sex was taken out of the equation?

It makes sense to me as I am speaking soley in terms of the realm of games. While the characters are good, I think most of them could be further fleshed out if the side of them that exists just for the sake of sex and its lead up was spent forging a different, realistic (I don't quite mean this, but its the only word I can think of) relationship. Just my opinion though, feel free to disagree or not understand. Not trying to change anyone's mind.

Though honestly, some marriages might indeed become deeper and more profound if sex wss off the table, at least temporarily.

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I really fail to see how removing sex opens any doors to making relationships more mature. How about someone explain that to me. In detail.

Mature? Not necessarily. Someone did say deeper and more involved though.

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alliance commander wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

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If romances where absent i would praise bioware for the rest of time. Romances are useless anyways, So Why do we need them? :whistle:

Why do we "need" any feature? Why do we "need" videogames at all?

If people enjoy a thing, that's more than adequate justification for continuing to make that thing.


All Dragons age romances where just disgraceful "adequate justice"? I understand the majority of bioware fans like them but i feel as the developers should focus on gameplay and rather than waste time and work on romances no one really needs.  I guarantee all of bioware fans would riot because they couldn't ****** to their favorite "romance" I just think DA:I would be better off.

Again, nobody really "needs" any aspect of videogames.

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At the very least romance the godawful sex scenes

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People do not play BioWare games for sex. That is just silly. They don't romance characters for sex.

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Sounds more like PR mitigating after the whole "OMG DIS IS SEX GAEM." from the media. Personally, I don't think it's a minority who pursues romances in Bioware games.. but that there is a minority of people who obsess over it. Big difference there.

The fact that they continuously include it in their games, blog and do panels about how to write romance in games, and make main character's LIs (as opposed to just a side NPC of no importance) makes me think that it's something they've embraced and recognized as something people enjoy. If it were a minority, they could easily do away with it. That they even make previously non-romanceable characters into ones that are also says something. It's optional, but also a staple and expected.

That said, I wouldn't be that bummed out if they removed it.. though I would find it strange.

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I really fail to see how removing sex opens any doors to making relationships more mature. How about someone explain that to me. In detail.

Mature? Not necessarily. Someone did say deeper and more involved though.

Is there an explanation coming?