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[AresKeith]

ThunderfoxF wrote...

My Canon warden was a Loyalist Mage, my Hawke... Not so much. Don't know about my Stable of Inquisitors yet

Loyalist Blood Mage?

Modifié par AresKeith, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:30 .

[Statare]

I tried to consider the idea of being a believer in Inquisition, but I can't get past the colonialism at the center of the Chantry's doctrine. To me, the Chantry is a call to ignore all the terrible things humans have done in Thedas by worshiping a human god who will forgive the humans when they spread human culture to all the heathens... that's a little f*****.

[Battlebloodmage]

Statare wrote...

I tried to consider the idea of being a believer in Inquisition, but I can't get past the colonialism at the center of the Chantry's doctrine. To me, the Chantry is a call to ignore all the terrible things humans have done in Thedas by worshiping a human god who will forgive the humans when they spread human culture to all the heathens... that's a little f*****.

I think the idea of role-playing is immersion. If you were born into that world and the teaching around you based on the chantry, your knowledge of the world would often being influenced by what the Chantry teaches. If you are from a poor family, the only education you would get is likely gonna be from the Chantry. How would you know about the terrible things the Chantry did if they selectively choose what they want you to see? 

[Am1vf]

I'm not pro-chantry.

The Inquisitor I was planning (before they announced different races) is a Chantry zealot though.

I will do different things in different playthroughs depending on the character and the situation.

[berelinde]

It's all about role-playing and replay value. Sure, I get the most satisfaction from my pro-freedom playthroughs, but I feel I'm depriving myself if I don't give all the options a try. In other words, if there's an option there, I'll take it sooner or later.

That was the reason I was so adamantly opposed to the idea of forced religion in DAI. I wanted the ability to roleplay all kinds of characters. Many of them will be Andrastian, but restricting player options to solely religious types would have severely limited my ability to try new things.

[Vit246]

I will use the Chantry's influence and resources as a means to an end. If possible, I will have a Reformation of the Chantry. Organized religion can be a powerful weapon.....

Modifié par Vit246, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:12 .

[Phoenix_Fyre]

I like parts of the Andrastian code, the Chantry itself can stuff it

[Daerog]

Ya, I'm thinking of having my Inquisitor go pro Chantry, as it would certainly be the easiest way of stabilizing the continent with having the greatest unifying force currently in Thedas, Andrastianism (or whatever).

thoughts on my canon since others are sharing:

My DA:O Mage was an Aequitarian that was leaning Loyalist (if he was a part of the Circle still and the Circle split, he would jump to Loyalist and get far away from the libertarians). Warrior Hawke was an Andrastian, but tried to keep distance from anything political and respected the Qunari. My Inquisitor will be pro-Chantry and pro-Circle (they don't have to mix, unless no alternative is shown), but isn't anti- qun or imperial chantry. Leaning to have mage inquisitor, but a rogue would even out the classes...

[Statare]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Statare wrote...

I tried to consider the idea of being a believer in Inquisition, but I can't get past the colonialism at the center of the Chantry's doctrine. To me, the Chantry is a call to ignore all the terrible things humans have done in Thedas by worshiping a human god who will forgive the humans when they spread human culture to all the heathens... that's a little f*****.

I think the idea of role-playing is immersion. If you were born into that world and the teaching around you based on the chantry, your knowledge of the world would often being influenced by what the Chantry teaches. If you are from a poor family, the only education you would get is likely gonna be from the Chantry. How would you know about the terrible things the Chantry did if they selectively choose what they want you to see? 

Yeah. I think the most compelling scenario I thought of  (with the options we have seen thus far) is being a pro-circle human mage, because they could start seeing their powers as a dangerous responisibility and faith as a way to keep them strong and justify/cope with the hardships in their life. I think the non-human mage will be a noble, so I can't seperate their faith from possible power-hungry ambitions / ignorance (or prejudice) resulting from privilige and that is less compelling. City Elves can be very devout, but from what we have seen, the hierarchy of the Chantry is human, and elven life in the prejudiced, Chantry dominated society might make a city elf skepticle and more sensitive to the contradictions in the Chant or the Chantry history (the Dales). Dwarf could be interesting, but I see them as being more prone to form syncretic dwarf-chantry beliefs instead of being orthodox.

[AutumnWitch]

Which side has the cutest women?

But seriously, there is no such thing as evil and good or black and white morally speaking. The Chantry/Templars and Mages both have tons of innocent blood on their hands. The Chantry needs to find a way to accept Mages into society without jailing them as being born is not a crime. That is the same mentality Hitler used. That being said, the Mages have to develop some type of magical "work around" concerning the blood magic thing.

The bottom line is, bad people are going to be bad if they are Chantry or Mage. Both sides need to come together as equals to stop the bad people taking things too far.

If both sides fight to make society fair and just for everyone both sides will have less justification to even need to pick a side. At the end of the day people are people and just need a full belly, warm bed and someone to hold on to during the bad parts of life.

Modifié par AutumnWitch, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:09 .

[Ieldra]

@OP:
One of my Wardens (the human noble) was a devout Andrastean. Not my first choice, but I occasionally play pro-Chantry types.

For my two main characters, it goes like this: they would leave the Chantry alone if the Chantry left them alone, but they're mages so that won't happen, and they become anti-Chantry.

[Texhnolyze101]

No. I hate the chantry and anyone associated with them and i am going to happily annihilate them in DA:I

[mikeymoonshine]

My secondary character is a human noble who is pro chantry heavily religious and somewhat por templar although she is a good person so doesn't hate mages or anything.

[Daerog]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Which side has the cutest women?

But seriously, there is no such thing as evil and good or black and white morally speaking. The Chantry/Templars and Mages both have tons of innocent blood on their hands. The Chantry needs to find a way to accept Mages into society without jailing them as being born is not a crime. That is the same mentality Hitler used. That being said, the Mages have to develop some type of magical "work around" concerning the blood magic thing.

The bottom line is, bad people are going to be bad if they are Chantry or Mage. Both sides need so come together as equals to stop the bad people taking things too far.

If both sides fight to make society fair and just for everyone both sides will have less justification to even need to pick a side. At the end of the day people are people and just need a full belly, warm bed and someone to hold on to during the bad parts of life.

Well, let's see for that question:

Pro Chantry: Leliana, maybe Cassandra still?
Anti Chantry: Morrigan, Merrill (probably more neutral, not a direct antagonist to it, but not a fan).

Neutral: Aveline, Sigrun, Isabela.

My guesses anyway. I like Morrigan, but I like Leliana more.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:11 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Push comes to shove, I'm probably supporting the Chantry, but being able to work a little Martin Luther into the PC's role as Inquisitor would be nice.

Or, unrelated to the above, an option to support the Black Chantry. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 07 septembre 2013 - 06:11 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Nope - I'm not keen on organized religions in the first place, and I intensely dislike the ones who drug and brainwash their holy warriors to control them. *points at Templars*

I think that has more to do with the corruption from within the Chantry than what the Chantry represents. I would be in favor of a Chantry reform if possible in DAI.

That absolutely does not absolve the Chantry of responsibility. They're guilty of wrongdoing in drugging the templars (and who knows what else they did). Even if you somehow do reform the whole organization, I feel that it's unlikely that you can prevent future abuses of power.

In the real world, it's easy to find examples of corruption and scandal involving religious organizations. Just look at the Catholic Church over the last, what, decade-plus? Sexual abuse scandals coming out practically every other day and now this new scandal involving the Vatican Bank. And at any rate, I'm basically a secular humanist, so I just can't abide the idea of being led around the nose by a religious leader - it's not really my thing. *shrug*

[Daerog]

Why are people calling it the Black Chantry? They call themselves the Imperial Chantry, their Divine is called "Black" by the rest of Thedas to voice disfavor of him.

[TheBlackBaron]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Why are people calling it the Black Chantry? They call themselves the Imperial Chantry, their Divine is called "Black" by the rest of Thedas to voice disfavor of him.

It's a colliquialism, same as "Black Divine" is. 

[Daerog]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Why are people calling it the Black Chantry? They call themselves the Imperial Chantry, their Divine is called "Black" by the rest of Thedas to voice disfavor of him.

It's a colliquialism, same as "Black Divine" is. 

I know, just wondering if I missed some BSN memo. "We are now calling in the Black Chantry, just because most in Thedas refer to the Imperial Chantry's Divine as the Black Divine. -BSN Community."

I just thought Imperial Chantry sounded nicer, Black Chantry makes it more... well dark gothic architecture comes to mind, with thunder clouds and ravens.

[TheBlackBaron]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I just thought Imperial Chantry sounded nicer, Black Chantry makes it more... well dark gothic architecture comes to mind, with thunder clouds and ravens.

Hey, for some people, making things sound more metal does make them sound nicer. 

[Hey]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I just thought Imperial Chantry sounded nicer, Black Chantry makes it more... well dark gothic architecture comes to mind, with thunder clouds and ravens.

Hey, for some people, making things sound more metal does make them sound nicer. 

it does sound pretty ominous/ ****ing sweet 

[Cainhurst Crow]

What are some of the other beliefs the andrastian faith preaches besides magic should serve man? I can't remember a single non-magic related doctrine from it.

[eeeky]

the chantry can burn in great glorious fire so that i can purge the inpurity of thier soul* insert sadistic laughter*