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[Killdren88]

I look at the Chantry as I do with Christianity. I see the good the founder was trying to do but I see how their message Was corrupted and twisted by the followers for their own agenda.

[ShallowlLife9871]

My wardens mostly support the mages, I had one or two that saved the mages but had gregor place them under watch.
While My Hawkes always end up as pro mage.
While I understand both sides, I am personally pro mage. Because the idea of a religion that has an army at it’s beck and call , has the authority to take children away form their parents with out any say , hunt down those who refuse them? It’s kinda scary.

Although now the Templars have split form the Chantery,[ well form what i have read anyway] I may make my human a follower of the maker

[Daerog]

Festae9 wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

I just thought Imperial Chantry sounded nicer, Black Chantry makes it more... well dark gothic architecture comes to mind, with thunder clouds and ravens.

Hey, for some people, making things sound more metal does make them sound nicer. 

it does sound pretty ominous/ ****ing sweet 

Ya, when you put it that way, that does sound better. The priests have black and red robes anyway, why not go full metal?

[d4eaming]

I can't play a religious zealot. I have those in my family, pretty soured on religion on the whole. I typically style myself as agnostic, I do follow an "alternate religion", but it is absolutely nothing like any mainstream religion. The whole chantry thing against mages hits too close to home for me as an analogue for anti-gay propaganda, even if it's not intentional.

My first Hawke sided with the Templars, but mainly because his back was pressed to the wall in that instance and his split-second decision was the ones not turning into abominations left and right, it had nothing to do with believing the chantry was correct in leashing mages, as he was demonstably pro-mage until that critical point. I consider it a moral failure on his part, something that he'd regret.

Snarky rogue Hawke on my next play was pro-mage through and through, but anti-blood magic. Mages went free unless they were guilty personally of using blood magic.

I will probably play a mage sympathiser rogue or mage on my first game. My battle cry will be "for freedom!"

[septembervirgin]

One might consider spirits as capable of forming factions. If a faction of spirits defends a group of mages like in Rivain we might see less violent possessions than if people fight any spirit they come across as an evil demon. Also, we might see the Chant of Light Chantry as polluting the Fade with their imaginings and dreams of all spirits as evil with evil effect.

[Chari]

AutumnWitch wrote...

Which side has the cutest women?

But seriously, there is no such thing as evil and good or black and white morally speaking. The Chantry/Templars and Mages both have tons of innocent blood on their hands. The Chantry needs to find a way to accept Mages into society without jailing them as being born is not a crime. That is the same mentality Hitler used. That being said, the Mages have to develop some type of magical "work around" concerning the blood magic thing.

The bottom line is, bad people are going to be bad if they are Chantry or Mage. Both sides need to come together as equals to stop the bad people taking things too far.

If both sides fight to make society fair and just for everyone both sides will have less justification to even need to pick a side. At the end of the day people are people and just need a full belly, warm bed and someone to hold on to during the bad parts of life.

This <3

[Maria Caliban]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Would anyone play a pro-chantry inquisitor?

I played a devout human noble Warden and a devout warrior Hawke. I will likely play a devout Inquisitor if I play a human.

AresKeith wrote...

I'm pro-Circle if that counts

I think it's possible to be pro-Circle but still oppose the Chantry in most things. If memory serves, the Circles themselves predate the Chantry.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:42 .

[Daerog]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I think it's possible to be pro-Circle but still oppose the Chantry in most things. If memory serves, the Circles themselves predate the Chantry.

http://dragonage.wik...wiki/Divine_Age

Looks like the Circle of Magi was officially formed 20 years after the Chantry was established with the help of Emperor Drakon.

[Maria Caliban]

So much for that idea.

[Ophir147]

I was actually planning on making a thread about how religion is approached in Dragon Age games (since they are in such a unique position with a pseudo-christian analogue featuring so prominently in the lore) but seeing the posts here, it seems that there's not much discussion to be had on the subject is there? I don't want to say that you guys have a bit of a narrow-minded view of it, but it seems that the well-structured applicability that Bioware has woven into the lore is wasted on the fanbase, which has a bit of a knee jerk reaction to any explicit faith.

OT: As I plan on playing a dwarf, I'd have to wait for any confirmation of whether I will be forced to be surfacer or native culture dwarf, or whether such a thing will be left to the player in the first place.

[Chari]

I think that my idea of the best solution to the conflict would be peace between Chantry and the Circle. The last to be changed to serve as a school, rather than prison. Templars to serve as special police that makes sure that no mage uses their magic for evil. Otherwise the mages are free to live as commoners, just with some kind of tracer like in HP universe.
What a shame nobody ever listens to my Warden, Hawke and Inqisitor's ideas...

 I don't want to say that you guys have a bit of a narrow-minded view of it, but it seems that the well-structured applicability that Bioware has woven into the lore is wasted on the fanbase, which has a bit of a knee jerk reaction to any explicit faith.

You're right, completelly right... I guess people still see the world as black and white

Modifié par Chari, 07 septembre 2013 - 07:51 .

[Maria Caliban]

Ophir147 wrote...

I was actually planning on making a thread about how religion is approached in Dragon Age games (since they are in such a unique position with a pseudo-christian analogue featuring so prominently in the lore) but seeing the posts here, it seems that there's not much discussion to be had on the subject is there? I don't want to say that you guys have a bit of a narrow-minded view of it, but it seems that the well-structured applicability that Bioware has woven into the lore is wasted on the fanbase, which has a bit of a knee jerk reaction to any explicit faith.

Yes, the wisdom you'd bring would only be wasted on mental dregs such as us.

[Martyr1777]

After reading Asunder, I'm pro-Divine and her desire for change. I'm also anti religion, pro moderate templars and mages. And that reflects my first/primary play through of each game. That being said, if it were an option, would I allow a chantry in my stronghold? Nope. If the people want one in their village fine, but not behind my walls.

Modifié par Martyr1777, 07 septembre 2013 - 08:01 .

[fiveforchaos]

The character I have planned is too Chaotic to really care one way or another about the Chantry.

But the Qunari Mage Inqusitor I have planned might make for an interesting follower of Andraste. I'd probably play them as "afraid of their own magic".

[Martyr1777]

fiveforchaos wrote...

But the Qunari Mage Inqusitor I have planned might make for an interesting follower of Andraste. I'd probably play them as "afraid of their own magic".

Heh, just made me think of a female qunari mage... has to be the most extremely prejudiced combination possible.

Sounds fun

[Daerog]

Martyr1777 wrote...

fiveforchaos wrote...

But the Qunari Mage Inqusitor I have planned might make for an interesting follower of Andraste. I'd probably play them as "afraid of their own magic".

Heh, just made me think of a female qunari mage... has to be the most extremely prejudiced combination possible.

Sounds fun

A Qunari mage, sure. The female part in Thedas doesn't matter a whole lot, since the major faith is headed by women, as well as the most powerful monarch in Thedas is a woman (if we are ignoring the Archon, but it's mainly the senate who has the power I would assume). As for Qunari who practice the Qun, a mage is saarebas, male or female makes no difference either.

Just fyi if you were thinking the female part added more drama. If not, disregard my post.

[d4eaming]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ophir147 wrote...

I was actually planning on making a thread about how religion is approached in Dragon Age games (since they are in such a unique position with a pseudo-christian analogue featuring so prominently in the lore) but seeing the posts here, it seems that there's not much discussion to be had on the subject is there? I don't want to say that you guys have a bit of a narrow-minded view of it, but it seems that the well-structured applicability that Bioware has woven into the lore is wasted on the fanbase, which has a bit of a knee jerk reaction to any explicit faith.

Yes, the wisdom you'd bring would only be wasted on mental dregs such as us.

This. And it's not about "explicit faith" (though that can be annoying too). This particular faith I personally find repugnant. My faith doesn't include denigrating sects of people. The chantry teachings do, and in fact, damn people for simply being born. As someone else said, being born isn't a crime, but mages are branded guilty before they've cast their first spell.

[Ollys]

Im anti-mage, anti-elven and pretty much anti any other minority. But i dont feel much sympathy toward Chantry and, specialy, for Divine. They are to weak from my point of view, when i want to see fantasy church more warhammeresqu.

[TataJojo]

Well even though me as a person don't really like the chantry, at least the fact that they have so much power, I would gladly roleplay a pro-chantry character, for variety's sake.

[Chari]

d4eaming wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ophir147 wrote...

I was actually planning on making a thread about how religion is approached in Dragon Age games (since they are in such a unique position with a pseudo-christian analogue featuring so prominently in the lore) but seeing the posts here, it seems that there's not much discussion to be had on the subject is there? I don't want to say that you guys have a bit of a narrow-minded view of it, but it seems that the well-structured applicability that Bioware has woven into the lore is wasted on the fanbase, which has a bit of a knee jerk reaction to any explicit faith.

Yes, the wisdom you'd bring would only be wasted on mental dregs such as us.

This. And it's not about "explicit faith" (though that can be annoying too). This particular faith I personally find repugnant. My faith doesn't include denigrating sects of people. The chantry teachings do, and in fact, damn people for simply being born. As someone else said, being born isn't a crime, but mages are branded guilty before they've cast their first spell.

You still overreact to any major religions and blame them for like, every problem of Thedas. And for things all powerful organisations do: royal families, guilds, bands, countries, every one of them have blood on their hands
The Chantry is not better nor worse
As for the mages, there needs to be some sort of control for the sake of the commoners. Not like prison-likeCircle, sth like Hogwarts

Modifié par Chari, 07 septembre 2013 - 08:30 .

[Fredward]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ophir147 wrote...

I was actually planning on making a thread about how religion is approached in Dragon Age games (since they are in such a unique position with a pseudo-christian analogue featuring so prominently in the lore) but seeing the posts here, it seems that there's not much discussion to be had on the subject is there? I don't want to say that you guys have a bit of a narrow-minded view of it, but it seems that the well-structured applicability that Bioware has woven into the lore is wasted on the fanbase, which has a bit of a knee jerk reaction to any explicit faith.

Yes, the wisdom you'd bring would only be wasted on mental dregs such as us.

I lolled.


Personally I'd never be able to play a pro-Chantry anything. I don't really like playing self-inserts but I only have one character to make the kind of story I want, not an entire cast and that story is never going to include any kind of Chantry fanfare. Whatever it started out as the current Chantry is based off of opression and hypocrisy. It grates me. Plus I have no idea what the Chantry is actually about. The games never seem to go into detail. The central policies seem to be mages-are-bad and an expansionist dogma (for the greater good, naturally).

It's just not a nice organization. And until I learn how to play an MC I inherently dislike and still enjoy playing the game it's just not a playthrough I see myself doing.

Modifié par Foopydoopydoo, 07 septembre 2013 - 09:24 .

[SirGladiator]

It seems like the Chantry is always a force for good, as it should be, and I'd like to be able to make Leliana the new leader of the Chantry, apparently she's pretty close to being the leader right now. Her sitting on the throne, passing good rules and reforms and such to make the Chantry and the entire world a better place is something I'd like to see in DAI, and continued into future DA games as well.