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[GDog89]

Im A Templar Im Pro Circle must free all Magic Kind mmmhaaaahaaaa

[Nem-sis]

Very much anti-chantry.... I fully anticipate butting heads with the Chantry and look forward towards a wider array of atheist options. Something about their drug addicted zealous police force who hunt others simply for being different, and kill or imprison those individuals for the rest of their lives....just makes my blood boil.....

[AngryFrozenWater]

I do replay the games and if the chantry was one of the forces to join then I would certainly try it. Not in my first run, though. I am more interested to see how the mages will be able to break free. So far I don't think siding with the chantry is interesting, because I usually see the templars as an arm of the chantry. Let's hope the inquisition is not a kind of a secret service with the same goal as the templars.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So can anyone list me some tenants of the chantry that don't involve mages?

Seriously? No one?

[Wulfram]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So can anyone list me some tenants of the chantry that don't involve mages?

Seriously? No one?

Go read

http://dragonage.wik...of_Light_Verses

[Potato Cat]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Would it make any sense to make a Blood mage inquisitor who is Pro Chantry?

Just because you believe in something, it doesn't mean you have to follow it to the letter. You can always disagree with some aspects. I'm planning on making my elven Inquisitor pro-Qun, but she doesn't agree with everything the Qun says, but it's actively improving the the lives of not just her fellow elves, but all Qunari, and that's admirable, (in her opinion).

Then again, the whole maleficar thing is kind of an important tenant of the Chant. Like being a Christian but repeatedly and knowingly breaking one of the Ten Commandments. Don't expect any decent Andrastrian priest to like you if you enjoy slitting your wrists and throwing your blood at people, if they are right in saying our specialisations will have more of an impact. The Chantry might be full of hypocrisy, but they're strict on this particular thing.

[Reznore57]

I'm not anti Chantry.
I don't think it is as bad as people seem to think it is...sure it is far from perfect , but from Thedas point of view it's a step up from the original Tevinter Empire.
I'm probably going to have some fight with people from the Chantry in Inquisition , there's a lot of things they do that I don't agree with ...but I'm not looking forward to see the Chantry completely fall apart.
I think I met more nice /decent chantry folks than crazy zealots in both games :Brother Genitivi , Leliana , Elthina , Templar Emeric , the Blind templar in the alienage in DA:O , Knight captain Gregoir etc...

[Kalas Magnus]

Yes. I'll be a human templar in my first playthrough.

MR_PN wrote...

im so anti religion that I cant even roleplay a prochantry type.

i think this is the case for a lot of people. 

[Legbiter]

Chantry up, mages down.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

pro-Tevinter

Pro-Tevinters, unite!

[ThreeGemSheepy]

Reznore57 wrote...

I'm not anti Chantry.
I don't think it is as bad as people seem to think it is...sure it is far from perfect , but from Thedas point of view it's a step up from the original Tevinter Empire.
I'm probably going to have some fight with people from the Chantry in Inquisition , there's a lot of things they do that I don't agree with ...but I'm not looking forward to see the Chantry completely fall apart.
I think I met more nice /decent chantry folks than crazy zealots in both games :Brother Genitivi , Leliana , Elthina , Templar Emeric , the Blind templar in the alienage in DA:O , Knight captain Gregoir etc...

Only if your not throwing your blood at the Quanari infedels

[Cainhurst Crow]

Wulfram wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So can anyone list me some tenants of the chantry that don't involve mages?

Seriously? No one?

Go read

http://dragonage.wik...of_Light_Verses

Anything that isn't hard to read and understand?

[Ophir147]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Go read

http://dragonage.wik...of_Light_Verses

Anything that isn't hard to read and understand?

- do not defy the Maker, or by extension the Chantry
- all people are created equal
- magic is a gift from the Maker to man
- anyone who lies, steals, and manipulates is accursed in the eyes of the Maker
- always maintain a good and righteous life, especially in the presence of evil
- the reward for a just life and love of the Maker is to spend an eternity by his side

Basically (from what we know) it's just Christianity with a different origin story, more rules that are created to account for magic, and less having to do with sex, from what i've seen. There is also a bit more of an emphasis on remaining faithful in dark times.

[daveliam]

Kalas Magnus wrote...

Yes. I'll be a human templar in my first playthrough.

MR_PN wrote...

im so anti religion that I cant even roleplay a prochantry type.

i think this is the case for a lot of people. 

Yep.  This is me too.  In fact, I kind of love that DA: O gave you the option to be an athiest if you chose to.  Hopefully that will be the case in DA: I too.

[dragonflight288]

Ophir147 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Go read

http://dragonage.wik...of_Light_Verses

Anything that isn't hard to read and understand?

- do not defy the Maker, or by extension the Chantry
- all people are created equal
- magic is a gift from the Maker to man
- anyone who lies, steals, and manipulates is accursed in the eyes of the Maker
- always maintain a good and righteous life, especially in the presence of evil
- the reward for a just life and love of the Maker is to spend an eternity by his side

Basically (from what we know) it's just Christianity with a different origin story, more rules that are created to account for magic, and less having to do with sex, from what i've seen. There is also a bit more of an emphasis on remaining faithful in dark times.

Something to note, the Chantry's stance on magic and blood magic is not written in the Chant, but is instead inferred upon it in their own translation.

http://dragonage.wik...ry:_Maleficarum

Note that the divine talks about blood magic, and says this "
Also, Our Lady said to us, "Those who bring harm without
provocation to the least of His children are hated and accursed by the
Maker." And so it is made clear to me, as it should be to us all: That
magic which fuels itself by harming others, by the letting of blood, is hated by the Maker.

However, the line she quoted doesn't mention magic in any way, shape, or form. It can just as easily apply to a non-mage. Don't hurt others without provocation. Good advice for anyone who wishes to live a moral, upright life. But she added in the use of blood magic. That isn't in the Chant.

[Ausstig]

Yes, (if I get the game) I would work with the Chantry.

[Daerog]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Something to note, the Chantry's stance on magic and blood magic is not written in the Chant, but is instead inferred upon it in their own translation.

http://dragonage.wik...ry:_Maleficarum

Note that the divine talks about blood magic, and says this "
Also, Our Lady said to us, "Those who bring harm without
provocation to the least of His children are hated and accursed by the
Maker." And so it is made clear to me, as it should be to us all: That
magic which fuels itself by harming others, by the letting of blood, is hated by the Maker.

However, the line she quoted doesn't mention magic in any way, shape, or form. It can just as easily apply to a non-mage. Don't hurt others without provocation. Good advice for anyone who wishes to live a moral, upright life. But she added in the use of blood magic. That isn't in the Chant.

Right, because blood magic requires harm to be done to the Maker's children, either the person doing the spell or someone else. Just because it is magic doesn't remove the fact that before anything is done, blood magic initially causes harm. Sounds like should probably be able to use blood magic in self defense, but easier to just make it wrong all together to make the non mages feel better, I guess?

Maybe there is more to it, we don't know much about Chantry beliefs outside the controversies.

Edit: Devs could always throw in more info, such as blood magic being stronger with the more pain and suffering going on...

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 09 septembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[dragonflight288]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

Something to note, the Chantry's stance on magic and blood magic is not written in the Chant, but is instead inferred upon it in their own translation.

http://dragonage.wik...ry:_Maleficarum

Note that the divine talks about blood magic, and says this "
Also, Our Lady said to us, "Those who bring harm without
provocation to the least of His children are hated and accursed by the
Maker." And so it is made clear to me, as it should be to us all: That
magic which fuels itself by harming others, by the letting of blood, is hated by the Maker.

However, the line she quoted doesn't mention magic in any way, shape, or form. It can just as easily apply to a non-mage. Don't hurt others without provocation. Good advice for anyone who wishes to live a moral, upright life. But she added in the use of blood magic. That isn't in the Chant.

Right, because blood magic requires harm to be done to the Maker's children, either the person doing the spell or someone else. Just because it is magic doesn't remove the fact that before anything is done, blood magic initially causes harm. Sounds like should probably be able to use blood magic in self defense, but easier to just make it wrong all together to make the non mages feel better, I guess?

Maybe there is more to it, we don't know much about Chantry beliefs outside the controversies.

Edit: Devs could always throw in more info, such as blood magic being stronger with the more pain and suffering going on...

The Chant says "don't harm others without provocation." Many forms of blood magic would be that, but if you cut yourself to defend yourself, from darkspawn or a bandit raid, you wouldn't be harming other people without provocation, and technically, wouldn't be hated or accursed by the maker.

[Daerog]

dragonflight288 wrote...

The Chant says "don't harm others without provocation." Many forms of blood magic would be that, but if you cut yourself to defend yourself, from darkspawn or a bandit raid, you wouldn't be harming other people without provocation, and technically, wouldn't be hated or accursed by the maker.

Ya, I mentioned self defense. I don't know, maybe it was that plus the danger and history of blood magic.

I don't really know why the Imperial Chantry is... well, officially against it but their Divine knows how to use it, they might as well say "it is okay to cut yourself, as long as it in self defense." That just sounds funny. Eh, I still like playing anti blood magic mages b/c of the world view in thedas.

Heh, reminds me of that deadman wonderland cartoon I saw a couple days ago...

[Lotion Soronarr]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Nope - I'm not keen on organized religions in the first place, and I intensely dislike the ones who drug and brainwash their holy warriors to control them. *points at Templars*

You got it backward. You start with "lyrium causes addiction" and arrive to "The Chsntry is brainwashing templars to control them"
Actually it's "templars need lyrium to be effective agaisnt mages" -> "lyrium is addictive" -> "templar willingly do this"

Also, organized religion FTW.
Separation of church and state? Who needs that?

All of you heatens must BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRN.

[spinachdiaper]

I knew some one who said he did the pro chantry while playing as a mage because it made no sense in DA2

[dragonflight288]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

The Chant says "don't harm others without provocation." Many forms of blood magic would be that, but if you cut yourself to defend yourself, from darkspawn or a bandit raid, you wouldn't be harming other people without provocation, and technically, wouldn't be hated or accursed by the maker.

Ya, I mentioned self defense. I don't know, maybe it was that plus the danger and history of blood magic.

I don't really know why the Imperial Chantry is... well, officially against it but their Divine knows how to use it, they might as well say "it is okay to cut yourself, as long as it in self defense." That just sounds funny. Eh, I still like playing anti blood magic mages b/c of the world view in thedas.

Heh, reminds me of that deadman wonderland cartoon I saw a couple days ago...

Yeah. Hmm.

Well, my point was that the Divine in that codex entry kind of inferred her own interpretation into the Chant of Light that didn't really match what the words themselves said.

I personally would like to play an Inquisitor, however, who is a strict adherent to the Chant of Light, including the the Dissonent verses which the the Chantry removed over time, but is staunchly anti-chantry. Pro-Maker, but believes the Chantry (White AND Black) do not do the Maker's will.

[Sandy]

I've always played my characters in Dragon Age as andrastians, because it would feel odd for a person having grown up in a society where 99% of the population is andrastian to not be andrastian. That doesn't mean I go around roleplaying them as fanatics or chantry-lovers... it simply means that they have been born into one of the andrastian culturse and the andrastian way of thinking.

[MisterJB]

dragonflight288 wrote...
The Chant says "don't harm others without provocation." Many forms of blood magic would be that, but if you cut yourself to defend yourself, from darkspawn or a bandit raid, you wouldn't be harming other people without provocation, and technically, wouldn't be hated or accursed by the maker.

Not "others". What the Chant says is "those who bring harm, without provocation, to the least of His children". Technically, the Maker could easily be against you harming yourself because you are one of his children (except if you're a dwarf, then, go nuts).
Only the Maker gets to harm His children. According to the Chant, He is not exactly a pacifist what with supporting Andraste's rebellion and everything.

Modifié par MisterJB, 09 septembre 2013 - 02:51 .

[MisterJB]

What if there is a celestial war going on the in the background?

In DAO, Wynne claims that Oghren, a dwarf, does not come from the Maker and Leliana agrees. This could mean that the Chantry acknowledges the existence of the Stone and how It created the dwarven race.
Of course, this could be lip service meant only to appease their only source of Lyrium but it makes you think, what if the Maker is real, the Old Gods are real, the Elven Phanteon is real and the Old Gods are real?
And what if each of those divine beings each created a race of mortals through which they wage their wars? The Maker created the humans, the Old Gods created the Darkspawn, etc.

Of course, this is more appropriate for High Fantasy where gods waging wars through their believers has been done many times whereas Dragon Age is a more realistic kind of fantasy where different races and cultures don't get along because integration has never been easy but I think it's an interesting thought.

The ranking should go like this:
1st place: The Maker
2nd place: The Old Gods
3rd place: The Stone
Dead Last: The Creators

Modifié par MisterJB, 09 septembre 2013 - 03:00 .