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[Grumpy Cat]

I'm a pro-chantry cat.

[RazorrX]

Not pro chantry, but I am Pro Circle (just under new management).

[Magdalena11]

Pro Tevinter-type circle here. The chantry, like religion, serves a meaningful function in everyday life. It gives structure to the world and a set of values to adhere to. It isn't my protag's main motivation but it is the background her thoughts are based upon. A person has to believe something before he or she rebels against it....

[sangy]

I guess you can look at it in a real life way. There's wrong in all directions. I pretty much prefer to just stand on what I know and experience rather than follow. For DA:I it will all depend on what your situation is at the time.

DA2, even though I loved the game, I didn't feel like I had much say in the end. To be honest I didn't agree with either side. I'm hoping DA:I is a little more dimensional to take different directions.

Templars, Mages, Chantry....there's good and bad in all of those.

[myahele]

The Chantry had too much military (Templar and Circle Mages) and political power up until recently. And while I haven't kept up with DA news, it seems to me now that they lost their military forces they are more moderate of the groups

[Beerfish]

Pro chantry and pro templar.

[Lord Raijin]

StreetMagic wrote...

Pro Chantry, but not Pro Templar.

How can you be pro Chantry, but not Pro Templar?

[dragonflight288]

MisterJB wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
The Chant says "don't harm others without provocation." Many forms of blood magic would be that, but if you cut yourself to defend yourself, from darkspawn or a bandit raid, you wouldn't be harming other people without provocation, and technically, wouldn't be hated or accursed by the maker.

Not "others". What the Chant says is "those who bring harm, without provocation, to the least of His children". Technically, the Maker could easily be against you harming yourself because you are one of his children (except if you're a dwarf, then, go nuts).
Only the Maker gets to harm His children. According to the Chant, He is not exactly a pacifist what with supporting Andraste's rebellion and everything.

Okay, so I misquoted the Chant. But bringing harm without provocation is pretty clear-cut. Don't hurt people without provocation. May be yourself or not, but if you're under attack, and blood magic can be used to defend yourself, and you only use it for that, then that is not without provocation.

If you were a mage, you could throw a fireball into a group of people, and if it was without provocation it would be just as bad. Or a non-mage who is a bandit harms others without provocation all the time.

As for the Maker, I agree he isn't a pacificst. It's entirely possible he doesn't even exist. The Chantry says he created the world, but don't say a thing about whether or not he created dwarves....which is kind of funny since it reminds me of some party banter between Leliana and Wynne I only heard for the very first time a couple days ago in my playthrough. The funny part being the banter, that is.

Can't remember the exact wording, but Leliana talks about how she wishes she had magic like Wynne, and Wynne tells her she has her own form of magic, her skills as a bard as well as her singing voice, and even says Leliana is the most graceful person she's ever met, and tha everyone has magic in their own way, just in different forms. Leliana then expresses disbelief as she asks "Even Oghren?" To which Wynne replies, "Oghren is a dwarf. He doesn't come from the maker." And they both chuckle as a result of that.

[Daerog]

Lord Raijin wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Pro Chantry, but not Pro Templar.

How can you be pro Chantry, but not Pro Templar?

Because the templars are not the chantry, as they showed by denying its authority. The chantry is the moderate in the mage vs templar war with justinia at the front.

My inquisitor will be pro chantry, pro circle, pro loyalist, pro chantry templars, and anti seperatist considering the state of the world. Which means he will likely side with the empress of orlais if the option shows up, antagonize the libertarians and aequitarians, and antagonize the templars that broke off the chantry. Probably sqaush elf rebellions as well.

[FenrirBlackDragon]

I'd say I'm for the Chantry in some respects and against it in others.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Oh yeah I've often been a pro Chantry player. My three Hawke's were each different flavours of Andrastian and most of my characters have been pro Chantry. Except my dalish and Aduecan Wardens of course, but even they weren't hostile to the Chantry or most human religions.

[Reever]

I will have Wardens/Hawkes being both pro-chantry, pro-mages and..compromising? (like not letting mages be totally free).
I really hope there are more choices than only "lock mages up forever" or "let them free".

Still, not having played DA2, I'll have to see myself how things developed during that game.

[zMataxa]

Rawgrim wrote...

Nor really pro chantry, but given all those insane blood mages I ran into in DA2, the ones who attacked me even if I supported them, the chantry seems the lesser of two evils at the moment.

______________________

That was easily the MOST annoying feature of DA2 for me.
Could they have kept the story arc going with mages that didn't flip out (extreme example "Orsino" (spelling right?) ?
I personally think > Yes, they could have.

[Jaison1986]

I'm... erm... Chantry tolerable. Like it or not there will aways be people that need religion to fill a void into their lifes. And there it comes the chantry. But if I'm given the opition, I will strip them of every military and political influence. Exalted marches will be forbidden and the templar and seeker order will be dismantled forever. Wich means Cassandra probally will not survive my playthrough.

[Han Shot First]

I'm going to play a ruthless Inquisitor. Whether that translates into being pro-Chantry or not yet, depends on what exactly the Inquisition is and how Inquisitors are defined. But if you've seen the movie Black Death, I'm aiming for something like how Osmund was portrayed in the epilogue to that movie.

[DarthLaxian]

RazorrX wrote...

Not pro chantry, but I am Pro Circle (just under new management).

make it mage-management and only mandatory till completing ones training (like a boarding school - Harry Potter style) and we can agree on it (oh and the chantry needs to stop that stupid propaganda and let mages inherit IMHO (magic is no curse - it is a precious gift IMHO!))

greetings LAX
ps: Still not pro-chantry (don't have the urge to destroy it/burn it down/blow it up though either - just take it's power (religion and politics should not mix IMHO) away from it - so it essentially becomes modern day catholic church (and even their influence should still be reduced!)) and not pro-templar either (hell, making drug-addict-zealots the guardians of mages is asking for trouble IMHO)

[Martyr1777]

laudable11 wrote...

You Could be right cjones91. Maybe all the powers decide who becomes the Inquisitor. The Inquisition may be created by all the powers of the Land...I can't wait to find out.

This is actually a really good question. How is it decided this random person is now the leader of a long dead organization which is independent of all other groups/nations.

I mean the creation of the Wardens makes more sense then the Inquisition when you really think about it. But I guess thats why you start with alot of reputation building, even so seems like a big gap to jump realistically.

[Hellion Rex]

I have no personal issues with the chantry, it is merely the Templars that seem to be the problem. I agree that Justinia will be a rather central character in the upcoming game, due to her help to the mages in Asunder. She does seem to be a rather moderate figure. The templars however, need to go. Like now. Of course that begs the question of who regulates magic when the templar order is abolished.

[Martyr1777]

eluvianix wrote...
Of course that begs the question of who regulates magic when the templar order is abolished.

Oh its safe to say the Templars will most certainly not be abolished just because of their seperation from the Chantry. You have to remember that the VAST majority of the population beleive what the chantry always taught that mages are dangerous and so are more likely to back the Templars then anyone else, especially when its mages vs tamplars.

If anything I think the Chantry loses alot more face and respect with the speration after all the years of the templars being the face of the populations protection. The Chantry just stands around and talks alot.

[Star fury]

Lord Raijin wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Pro Chantry, but not Pro Templar.

How can you be pro Chantry, but not Pro Templar?

Wynne and Elthina say hi.

[cjones91]

Martyr1777 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Of course that begs the question of who regulates magic when the templar order is abolished.

Oh its safe to say the Templars will most certainly not be abolished just because of their seperation from the Chantry. You have to remember that the VAST majority of the population beleive what the chantry always taught that mages are dangerous and so are more likely to back the Templars then anyone else, especially when its mages vs tamplars.

If anything I think the Chantry loses alot more face and respect with the speration after all the years of the templars being the face of the populations protection. The Chantry just stands around and talks alot.

I think the general population of Thedas will start liking the Templars alot less when the templars start raiding their towns and villages hoping to find enough money for their lyrium fix.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

Martyr1777 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Of course that begs the question of who regulates magic when the templar order is abolished.

Oh its safe to say the Templars will most certainly not be abolished just because of their seperation from the Chantry. You have to remember that the VAST majority of the population beleive what the chantry always taught that mages are dangerous and so are more likely to back the Templars then anyone else, especially when its mages vs tamplars.

If anything I think the Chantry loses alot more face and respect with the speration after all the years of the templars being the face of the populations protection. The Chantry just stands around and talks alot.

I think the general population of Thedas will start liking the Templars alot less when the templars start raiding their towns and villages hoping to find enough money for their lyrium fix.

Agreed. Especially with those red templars attacking people, as seen in the PAX demo. I believe the common people will have trouble distinguishing the two factions.

[Martyr1777]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Martyr1777 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Of course that begs the question of who regulates magic when the templar order is abolished.

Oh its safe to say the Templars will most certainly not be abolished just because of their seperation from the Chantry. You have to remember that the VAST majority of the population beleive what the chantry always taught that mages are dangerous and so are more likely to back the Templars then anyone else, especially when its mages vs tamplars.

If anything I think the Chantry loses alot more face and respect with the speration after all the years of the templars being the face of the populations protection. The Chantry just stands around and talks alot.

I think the general population of Thedas will start liking the Templars alot less when the templars start raiding their towns and villages hoping to find enough money for their lyrium fix.

Agreed. Especially with those red templars attacking people, as seen in the PAX demo. I believe the common people will have trouble distinguishing the two factions.

Just because thats what you saw, think about what you didn't see... Lets see, the veil it torn wide open, you think the number of mage possessions just went up? I'm thinking with the state of things the attrosity count will be pretty equal and mages still have the natural hated working against them and non-red templars will be seen even more as saviors.