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 This hasn't been a problem in the Dragon Age games, yet. But it was a huge issue in those Mass Effect games (for me, anyway). So, I hope Bioware sticks with offering players an equal number of romance-able males as there are females. I'd like this to include side characters your PC is able to flirt with, too. 

I just don't see the fairness in lopsided options, as was painfully evident in the ME games. 9 companions are confirmed, so what does that mean? 4 romance-able males, 4 romance-able females, and 1 platonic? Or in the very least, 2 romance-able males, 2 romance-able females, and 5 platonic? 

If there are more romance-able females than males, then it feels like Bioware is catering to one audience over another. There's no excuse for that - not in 2013...

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I completly agree

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I agree too. Female audience felt screwed over in ME games. But so far not in DA games. Lets hope we get at least 2, but preferably 3 romanceable pr gender (and can we romance same-sex?)
I guess its very female of me, but I just love the romance part in BW games. Makes me invest so much more mentally in the videogame when I know my man/woman has someone he/she loves.

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wiccame wrote...

I completly agree

 

Thanks.

The confirmed number 9 for companions has me wondering if LI gender will be equally distributed. Based on previous DA games - I'd say yes. But you never know...

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I personally think that a 3 of each should be the target number, but I wouldn't argue with four of each.In any case, I agree that there should be an equal number.

That being said I'm still in favor of non-companion love interests. While I enjoy romanceable companions, I think there's something to be said for the drama of a romance where one party is risking their lives on a daily basis and the other isn't.

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Friera wrote...

I agree too. Female audience felt screwed over in ME games. But so far not in DA games. Lets hope we get at least 2, but preferably 3 romanceable pr gender (and can we romance same-sex?)
I guess its very female of me, but I just love the romance part in BW games. Makes me invest so much more mentally in the videogame when I know my man/woman has someone he/she loves.

 

Yeah, Gaider mentioned that all LI's will be romanceable by the PC, despite gender. But some people play romances for only the girls or only the boys. (I'm the latter.) 

Those ME games were incredibly angled away from straight female players. (And gay males, too.) ← at least, those who RP that way. Most people roleplay based on real life interests. It's safe to say ME was targeting straight dudes. Psh

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Former_Fiend wrote...

I personally think that a 3 of each should be the target number, but I wouldn't argue with four of each.In any case, I agree that there should be an equal number.

That being said I'm still in favor of non-companion love interests. While I enjoy romanceable companions, I think there's something to be said for the drama of a romance where one party is risking their lives on a daily basis and the other isn't.

 

Three of each sounds ideal to me too. And I enjoyed non-companion flirting, but it wasn't very frequent for fem players. :-\\ 

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like you said Dragon age has been really good with keeping things equal so I am hoping they keep that up. I was really disappointed with Mass effect and swtor in that regard...it was very straight male driven.

I mainly play females, because well...I am female and I don't see why my experience should be any different. I pay the same price for the game.
And yes romances are not the main focus of the games but, if you are going to add them in, then it should be done fairly.

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I agree. I feel the current system is probably the best overall. In a perfect world, all companions would be love interests, but with limited resources, I think four total is good. Two women, two men, open to everyone.

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I disagree I don't think they should care for equality and fairness, they should just do what they want to do. I want play Bioware game. Not game all people would like. If you make game for everyone to like, no one will like it. Well I am selfish so as long as I get my Ice queen romance I am happy.

On number of romances 4 and 4 possible but most unlikely.
3 and 3 more likely.
But probably same as DA2 2 and 2.

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9TailsFox wrote...

I disagree I don't think they should care for equality and fairness, they should just do what they want to do. I want play Bioware game. Not game all people would like. If you make game for everyone to like, no one will like it. Well I am selfish so as long as I get my Ice queen romance I am happy.

On number of romances 4 and 4 possible but most unlikely.
3 and 3 more likely.
But probably same as DA2 2 and 2.


because as long as you get your hetero dude romance everyone else can just get screwed over? representation and fairness aren't about "trying to make everyone like the game" they're about not sidelining everyone who isn't a straight guy playing a straight guy character and actually giving representation and even meaningful character relationships to groups of people who deserve that equal representation yet rarely get it in the video game industry. 

but yeah as long as you get your ice queen romance we're good ok

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I would agree in so far as the number of female to male LIs should be equal as in previous games. Personally I liked the DA:O system best but I would be fine with 2 and 2 open to everyone. I think DA has been pretty fair as far as the ratio has gone. I mean technically in DA2 Female Hawke had more options with the addition of Sebastian, but most people don't really count him since some feel his romance was handled poorly (such as myself) and were disappointed with the whole thing for various reasons.

So, overall, if they keep to the usual formula, I think they'll be just fine. I just want the romances to be distinct from one another instead of having a male and female version of the same romance subplot. (Merrill/Anders and Fenris/Isabela felt as though their romances were too similar to one another for me overall.)

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Player sexual. I would be fine with that. That way everyone is happy.

And If someone tells me how unrealistic that is in a FANTASY GAME. I will smack them silly.

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As a male gamer, I also felt the number of romances between Femshep and Broshep was completely unfair. I hope Bioware learns from this mistake and rectifies them in Inquisition.

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Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

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lady_v23 wrote...

Player sexual. I would be fine with that. That way everyone is happy.

And If someone tells me how unrealistic that is in a FANTASY GAME. I will smack them silly.


I'm not against the concept but I didn't like how it was handled in DA2. I'd like some acknowledgement over whether the character actually swung both ways or if it's an "it's ok if its you" scenario.

Also I'd hope the romance scenes are different depending on sex and race. FemHawke carrying Isabela into the room just looked like she should have toppled over.

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Trista Hawke wrote...

Friera wrote...

I agree too. Female audience felt screwed over in ME games. But so far not in DA games. Lets hope we get at least 2, but preferably 3 romanceable pr gender (and can we romance same-sex?)
I guess its very female of me, but I just love the romance part in BW games. Makes me invest so much more mentally in the videogame when I know my man/woman has someone he/she loves.

 

Yeah, Gaider mentioned that all LI's will be romanceable by the PC, despite gender. But some people play romances for only the girls or only the boys. (I'm the latter.) 

Those ME games were incredibly angled away from straight female players. (And gay males, too.) ← at least, those who RP that way. Most people roleplay based on real life interests. It's safe to say ME was targeting straight dudes. Psh


Actually ME3 was more favorable to gay men than straight women. If you were a femshep who saved Ash and didn't romance Garrus in ME2, your options for straight LIs was essentially 0. If you were a Maleshep, you always had Cortez as an option.

EDIT: I should note however that femHawke technically had more options than maleHawke if you count DLC, but things were still equal in the base game. 

Modifié par fiveforchaos, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:21 .


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I'd like to see some LIs who are not also companions

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Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

..right.

And if they give "equal representation to all sexualities' obviously, some LI will be locked.  And what about the people that wants to romance that LI? 

"oh! you wanted to romance C?  Too bad!  Bioware wanted to give EQUAL representation to all sexualities, you'll have just to settle with A and be sad."

So no.  Really, no thank you.

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Same Here Maybe NPC like Dagna, Bodhan, A keeper, A Guard, Nobles, or even Dalish men/women

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lady_v23 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

..right.

And if they give "equal representation to all sexualities' obviously, some LI will be locked.  And what about the people that wants to romance that LI? 

"oh! you wanted to romance C?  Too bad!  Bioware wanted to give EQUAL representation to all sexualities, you'll have just to settle with A and be sad."

So no.  Really, no thank you.


It would increase replayability, though. :)

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Shinian2 wrote...

I'd like to see some LIs who are not also companions


Dagna? Dagna.

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I would be good with 2 male, 2 female, and 2 bi OR 2 male, 2 female, 1 gay, and 1 lesbian.

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MasterScribe wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

..right.

And if they give "equal representation to all sexualities' obviously, some LI will be locked.  And what about the people that wants to romance that LI? 

"oh! you wanted to romance C?  Too bad!  Bioware wanted to give EQUAL representation to all sexualities, you'll have just to settle with A and be sad."

So no.  Really, no thank you.


It would increase replayability, though. :)


:lol: I have to agree.

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Equal rapresentation =/= one LI that you can choose. If there are six LI, two heterosexual, two homosexual and two bisexual, you'll have the same number of choice you had in DA2, with the difference that you can't choose all of the LI available in the game as a bisexual PC.
Of course it can happen that you might not like both the LI that you can romance and the one that you can't romance is the one you like, but my pont is that, again, having equal rapresentation doesn't mean that you can't choose.

Modifié par hhh89, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:36 .