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[werewoof]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Either an equal number of LIs (2 str8, 2 bi, 2 gay non-companions count too) where they show that they have a preference or no LIs at all
I'd be find with either one

I'm still waiting on how it is wrong from a moral or business standpoint to have more straight LIs when that represents both the market and human population. Where exactly is the crime or injustice in this?

the marketing division may have its reasons and as problematic as they might be i understand the constraints that puts on bioware. but the human population has got zip to do with a fantasy world on a fantasy planet that, while aesthetically based on certain areas of history, is still largely a fantasy thing and not meant to reflect real world population statistics of all things.

[canarius]

d4eaming wrote...

canarius wrote...

In Mass Effect 3, more than 80% of players played a male Shepard. Just saying...

Yep, and my male Shepard was queer. Too bad BW only gave us little more than lip service (until Citadel, had quite a lot of fun there).

Still doesn't excuse taking away options from everyone else.

Little question. Are you a straight male? Because if you are, you got a ****load of options that the rest of us didn't. I'm sure that wouldn't bother you, however.

Yes I'm a straight male. Though I agree with you on that we should have equal romance options. The reason I brought up that 80 percent thing is that it is probably the reason why they make more options for males
It seems like females will have more options this time though. Looks like there will only be 3-4 females in the party in Inquisition.

[d4eaming]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Either an equal number of LIs (2 str8, 2 bi, 2 gay non-companions count too) where they show that they have a preference or no LIs at all
I'd be find with either one

I'm still waiting on how it is wrong from a moral or business standpoint to have more straight LIs when that represents both the market and human population. Where exactly is the crime or injustice in this?

Silfren wrote...
Make whatever snide comment you're trying to and move on, buddy.  I said ethnically diverse because that's what I meant. 

Ah, so you meant it as some meaningless buzzword like most people who go on about ethnic diversity do.

Oh, you oppressed, under-represented straight person, you. Carry that flag.

[werewoof]

d4eaming wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Either an equal number of LIs (2 str8, 2 bi, 2 gay non-companions count too) where they show that they have a preference or no LIs at all
I'd be find with either one

I'm still waiting on how it is wrong from a moral or business standpoint to have more straight LIs when that represents both the market and human population. Where exactly is the crime or injustice in this?

Silfren wrote...
Make whatever snide comment you're trying to and move on, buddy.  I said ethnically diverse because that's what I meant. 

Ah, so you meant it as some meaningless buzzword like most people who go on about ethnic diversity do.

Oh, you oppressed, under-represented straight person, you. Carry that flag.

won't someone please think of the poor, poor straight people? they only get 98% of the visibility, instead of the whole 100%! what a sad plight

(bless you friend for having meaningful things to contribute to this topic instead of more thinly-veiled bigotry like we're getting from these fun folks today)

Modifié par tiktac, 08 septembre 2013 - 01:37 .

[Wheel_of_Fate]

@d4eaming: I hate to burst your bubble, but EAware's only including LGTB LI interests for the money. Not because they respect you. They don't give a damn.

[cjones91]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Oh. This topic again. I say, f*ck all of the 'ethnic diversity'. If it's not relevant for the game, leave it out. If you really need to see a black/gay/whatever guy/gal/that thing in between in a game to feel appreciated in life, then there's a problem with you, not with the game.

Oh sure it's not like people of color or gays/bisexuals,transexuals are sick of not having options in games that cater to the privileged demographic.I mean god forbid they get catered to and not the priviledged white straight male games because then it's called pandering.

[Eragon-]

People can you just ignore the obvious trolls(2 of them now). This thread is gonna get locked otherwise.

Modifié par Eragon-, 08 septembre 2013 - 01:38 .

[lady_v23]

Why is it that when some people arrive in a thread, that same thread starts on its way to get locked...

[d4eaming]

canarius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

canarius wrote...

In Mass Effect 3, more than 80% of players played a male Shepard. Just saying...

Yep, and my male Shepard was queer. Too bad BW only gave us little more than lip service (until Citadel, had quite a lot of fun there).

Still doesn't excuse taking away options from everyone else.

Little question. Are you a straight male? Because if you are, you got a ****load of options that the rest of us didn't. I'm sure that wouldn't bother you, however.

Yes I'm a straight male. Though I agree with you on that we should have equal romance options. The reason I brought up that 80 percent thing is that it is probably the reason why they make more options for males
It seems like females will have more options this time though. Looks like there will only be 3-4 females in the party in Inquisition.

You do know that women often play more male avatars than female, right? It doesn't mean they're playing to get a male hetero option, just that they like playing males. I play 90% male avatars in my games that give me the option. It doesn't mean I am necessarily seeking a male hetero perspective, or the same things as a male hetero demographic.

[werewoof]

cjones91 wrote...

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Oh. This topic again. I say, f*ck all of the 'ethnic diversity'. If it's not relevant for the game, leave it out. If you really need to see a black/gay/whatever guy/gal/that thing in between in a game to feel appreciated in life, then there's a problem with you, not with the game.

Oh sure it's not like people of color or gays/bisexuals,transexuals are sick of not having options in games that cater to the privileged demographic.I mean god forbid they get catered to and not the priviledged white straight male games because then it's called pandering.

or alternately, "realism" because realism is evidently anything that keeps white straight manchildren comfortable i guess 

[Ryzaki]

d4eaming wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Either an equal number of LIs (2 str8, 2 bi, 2 gay non-companions count too) where they show that they have a preference or no LIs at all
I'd be find with either one

I'm still waiting on how it is wrong from a moral or business standpoint to have more straight LIs when that represents both the market and human population. Where exactly is the crime or injustice in this?

Silfren wrote...
Make whatever snide comment you're trying to and move on, buddy.  I said ethnically diverse because that's what I meant. 

Ah, so you meant it as some meaningless buzzword like most people who go on about ethnic diversity do.

Oh, you oppressed, under-represented straight person, you. Carry that flag.

/dead

I don't get it. WHY DO THEY CARE. How doe sit horirbly effect them if a few (and that's the most it'll be) game covers doesn't have their standard.

WHY.

If 99% of game covers had black females on them I wouldn't give a damn about the 5% that didn't. But apparently OH NOES. POLITICAL CORRECTNESS THEY'RE TAKING OUR BOXART! THEY'RE TAKING OUR GAMES! EVERYTHING ISN'T CATERED SPECIFICALLY TO ME OH GOD OH GOD NOOOOOOO.

I just laugh and cry.

[Wheel_of_Fate]

Just goes to show how many people are more interested in being able to hump a specific character to their liking than whether it's actually relevant for the game and the game's background/lore. Go play the sims and get babies with aliens, y'all. Oh wait, we already got that in Mass Effect. High quality, even!

[cjones91]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

@d4eaming: I hate to burst your bubble, but EAware's only including LGTB LI interests for the money. Not because they respect you. They don't give a damn.

Lol,Bioware cares very much for the LGTB community otherwise they would'nt tell people such as yourself to shut up when you start whining about the "gays and people of color are being catered to and not us!".

[Ryzaki]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

@d4eaming: I hate to burst your bubble, but EAware's only including LGTB LI interests for the money. Not because they respect you. They don't give a damn.

...and if that was the case how would that be any different from the sexualized females and guns, explosions, generic white lead and crap for the dudebro market? oh wait it wouldn't.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 01:40 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

tiktac wrote...
the marketing division may have its reasons and as problematic as they might be i understand the constraints that puts on bioware. but the human population has got zip to do with a fantasy world on a fantasy planet that, while aesthetically based on certain areas of history, is still largely a fantasy thing and not meant to reflect real world population statistics of all things.

Yet this is a game, marketed and sold to people in the real world where about 95% of the population is straight. So how is it wrong for a company to keep such statistics in mind and have a ratio as "unjust" as the one in Mass Effect for example? Then again why are we even viewing romances in quotas and ratios? Shouldn't this be something extra if it fits with the writing of the characters somehow?

d4eaming wrote...
Oh, you oppressed, under-represented straight person, you. Carry that flag.

Please enlighten me to how society is oppressing when you can't bang whatever you want to in a video game.

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 08 septembre 2013 - 01:43 .

[Wheel_of_Fate]

Btw, I'm a woman, so lay it off with the white male cr@p.

[Wheel_of_Fate]

@Ryzaki: I hope you notice the irony in your own comment.

[cjones91]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Just goes to show how many people are more interested in being able to hump a specific character to their liking than whether it's actually relevant for the game and the game's background/lore. Go play the sims and get babies with aliens, y'all. Oh wait, we already got that in Mass Effect. High quality, even!

Be careful,you're privilege is showing it's ugly head.

[d4eaming]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

@d4eaming: I hate to burst your bubble, but EAware's only including LGTB LI interests for the money. Not because they respect you. They don't give a damn.

Numerous posts from David Gaider bely that accusation. Granted, he's only one writer within a larger company, but considering how many other people, on the DA side of the fence, have posted backing up his ideals, I am pretty confident that the creators have at least some meaningful, heartfelt desire to provide inclusivity because they believe it's the right thing.

But hey, if you want to insinuate that we queerfolk make up a significant part of the playerbase that including LIs for us will make an appreciable bump in revinue, than it must mean there are enough of us that LIs for us should be included by default.

Win-win situation far as I am concerned.

[canarius]

d4eaming wrote...

canarius wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

canarius wrote...

In Mass Effect 3, more than 80% of players played a male Shepard. Just saying...

Yep, and my male Shepard was queer. Too bad BW only gave us little more than lip service (until Citadel, had quite a lot of fun there).

Still doesn't excuse taking away options from everyone else.

Little question. Are you a straight male? Because if you are, you got a ****load of options that the rest of us didn't. I'm sure that wouldn't bother you, however.

Yes I'm a straight male. Though I agree with you on that we should have equal romance options. The reason I brought up that 80 percent thing is that it is probably the reason why they make more options for males
It seems like females will have more options this time though. Looks like there will only be 3-4 females in the party in Inquisition.

You do know that women often play more male avatars than female, right? It doesn't mean they're playing to get a male hetero option, just that they like playing males. I play 90% male avatars in my games that give me the option. It doesn't mean I am necessarily seeking a male hetero perspective, or the same things as a male hetero demographic.

Man play female avatars too though. It is a fact that most gamers are males.

[werewoof]

greengoron89 wrote...

We make up the majority of the population. Of course we would be the demographic most catered to.

It's only business. Don't have to take it so personally.

well see that's the thing, friendo, i dont take it too personally when they cant be as progressive as one might like because of ea's marketing constraints. thats a problem on a larger scale and not exactly bioware's devs' fault. what i do take a bit personally is lovely people like yourself coming on here to tell us that desiring equal treatment is "entitlement" and implying we should just take what tiny scraps we get and be happy with it because we deserve no more. 

[Ryzaki]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

@Ryzaki: I hope you notice the irony in your own comment.

Do point it out to me.

How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

Wanting people other than generic white dudebros on game covers? OMG what is that madness.

Protip: I'm asking for a deviation of the norm in case you can't get that. I'm not trying to say EVERYTHING BE THIS WAY. But rather "I rather this not you know be the norm where I am underepresented or get ****ty options while the overcatered group gets the lion share when they have 90% of games that already cater to them"

How dare I.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 01:46 .

[cjones91]

greengoron89 wrote...

We make up the majority of the population. Of course we would be the demographic most catered to.

It's only business. Don't have to take it so personally.

I'n not taking anything personally however there is a great ammount of privlege that comes up whenever people start talking about equal representation.