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[Ryzaki]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

@Ryzaki: Really? Oh well. You say EAware cares about the LGTB folks, right? But you supported that with a comparison to aspects of the game to attract the 'stereotypical' game audience. Does EAware do this to show their respect to this particular audience? No, it's for the money. Boobs = male gamer = money. And you're basically saying EAware's doing the same with the LGTBers. By including LGTB stuff = LGTB crowd = money. It has zero to do with respect. Y'all so naive.

Uh...no I didn't say that. I doubt EA cares about much more than their margin. That is a gaming company's job.

My post was saying what YOU said "They don't care about the LGTB audience they're just doing it for the money." is just as likely a scenario for straight dudebros. Money is the bottom line for most companies full stop. Dudebros, LGTB, girls, casuals, hardcore, so on.  If they can do something to milk money out of those groups they will. Dudebros just happen to be the one their most used to catering towards for that money is all.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 01:56 .

[Neon Rising Winter]

Am1_vf wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

Why is it that when some people arrive in a thread, that same thread starts on its way to get locked...

What I would like to know is why isn't that kind of people banned tbh. It would be a more permament solution than locking threads and the rest would be allowed to keep discussing like civilized people.


On topic: genuine question for the people that say playersexual romances allow to be represented and/or give choice for more people. Wouldn't it be better representation and choice if there was actual variety of sexualities emong the NPCs? 

Skyrim comes to mind. I don't see how that game is inclusive for allowing no marry NPCs because all the NPCs seem asexual to me.

Oh, and about the "it's too expensive" argument, I'll consider that valid when companies start to say the same thing to their marketing departments.

Someone made a point above that made me think favourably of the playersexual approach. If you specify a character as homosexual/bisexual it's not uncommon for the writing of that character to draw in preconceptions which affect the character's personality and story arc. By making them player sexual you do force the writer's hand away from that. Now you could argue that better writing is the answer, but given the extent to which this occurs in mainstream fiction across all media, I don't see it as a practical answer.

[Wheel_of_Fate]

And BOY, do I enjoy my privilege that y'all don't have!

[Lanavis]

lady_v23 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

..right.

And if they give "equal representation to all sexualities' obviously, some LI will be locked.  And what about the people that wants to romance that LI? 

"oh! you wanted to romance C?  Too bad!  Bioware wanted to give EQUAL representation to all sexualities, you'll have just to settle with A and be sad."

So no.  Really, no thank you.

I agree with you completely. If people want to view all their companions as str8, then they can just imagine it.
I love having the option for my male Hawke to be able to romance the male and female companions I like instead of being restricted like in DAO. Zevran is okay, but he was never my type and I was so pressed about not being able to get with Alistair ~canonically. 
Luckily, Morrigan is A+ so I was fine.

[werewoof]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

tiktac wrote...
we're out there lying in wait to steal the box art and larger portion of romance subplots out from the noses of poor unsuspecting straight cis men

Now just call me "cis-scum" and you'd be the perfect stereotypical social justice keyboard warrior. Does this make you feel better about all of the starving children in the 3rd world?

this thread just keeps getting better and better what a time to be alive 

[d4eaming]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

@d4eaming: I doubt queers were that common in medieval Europe, which seems to be the background setting for DA:I. But still, does it matter that much for you? Would you feel accomplished in life if they added a queer dwarf in the game, just for the sake of it?

Pretty sure the lack of avowed queerfolk in those times are for the same reasons they weren't out in the 50s either. Hatred and likelihood of physical assault. You know what the modern world does to queer people in some places right now, right? Why does Thedas, a fantasy land, have to follow that same bit of history? BW can, and has, skirted that issue entirely, and I'm thankful for it. I sure don't want "Realism" that includes my gay male PC getting castrated and turned into a woman, or murdered.

[Steelcan]

There should only be options for straight white males because it'd be hilarious

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

It saddens me that after that huge information dump all we have are romance topics. Remember when romances were just an extra feature?

I still consider it an extra feature 

That needs work because it's done poorly

<3 agreed.

I for one want to have a romance where we can disagree but still respect each other (without the LI having Anders' psycho Justice flipouts where my character doesn't go "hey maybe this is a bad idea." for...reasons )

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ryzaki wrote...
OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You
make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video
game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people
to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too
many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and
realistically put in a video game.

So are you under the
impression that Bioware makes their game for some market other than the
real world? Or just that "It's fantasy so I should get whatever I want"?

sandalisthemaker wrote...
This tripe again?

Such horrid tripe that you can't even lowerself to counter it?

[cjones91]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Yeah, Lindsay, it's sad to see all of these people being so frustrated about lacking in real life, that they want to cram their sexuality down the throat of others and ruin a game's integrity.

Hahaha!You are serious aren't you?I'm sure most gays don't like it when the heterosexuals shove their sexuality down their throats like the majority of games and other media.I find it hilarious how you think including gay options ruins a game's integrity.

[werewoof]

Steelcan wrote...




There should only be options for straight white males because it'd be hilarious

[Lee80]

I do hope there's an even spread, but more over for me it's about the quality instead of quantity. I'd be happy with only 2 male options if they both have a great storyline and the relationship development is done right. 3 does seem very possible though.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

This thread is weird. It's honestly like watching people defend the concept of Bond Girls as good writing because there are also Bond Guys in BioWare games. And that if there aren't as many Bond Guys as Bond Girls, it ceases to be good writing and becomes discrimination instead.

Then people rattle off quotas as to how many Bond Girls there should be to Bond Guys, and that the availability of Bond Guys is the single defining feature of the game.

Bizarre.

*inb4 my actual thoughts on romance are ignored and I am an Undercover Bigot*

Modifié par CrustyBot, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:02 .

[ObserverStatus]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...
@d4eaming: I doubt queers were that common in medieval Europe, which seems to be the background setting for DA:I. But still, does it matter that much for you? Would you feel accomplished in life if they added a queer dwarf in the game, just for the sake of it?

I'm pretty sure that's just because they executed gay people in medieval Europe and the rest stayed in the closet. Since that isn't a thing in Thedas, gays have no reason to stay closeted. Just because the technological progress in a high fantasy universe has been rolled back a millenium, that doesn't mean the social progress needs to be rolled back that far as well, otherwise you end up with a game like The Witcher with a universe that I can't put up with staying in for more than 90 minutes at  a time. All the people in that game are so terrible.

[TiaraBlade]

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

So equal is a 1:1 ratio, yet the market (human population) in the real world doesn't exist as a 1:1 sexuality ratio. So is equality you getting more attention than everybody else or did I forget to factor in privilege into my math?

OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and realistically put in a video game.

There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

[cjones91]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

And BOY, do I enjoy my privilege that y'all don't have!

Good, because sooner or later you are gonna have to share that privilege around to other folks.

[sandalisthemaker]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
This tripe again?

Such horrid tripe that you can't even lowerself to counter it?

And the fact that you recognize it as such makes you even sadder.

[cjones91]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Why can't we have gay, bi, and straight characters? Herosexuality doesn't create diversity my friends.

Lol,I read that in the Most Interesting Man In The World's voice.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh dear, here comes another LI thread about to go off the rails and get locked...I'll just stick to drinking every time I see an ignorant comment...

[Ryzaki]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...
So are you under the
impression that Bioware makes their game for some market other than the
real world? Or just that "It's fantasy so I should get whatever I want"?

Oh man. This arguement? This "I clearly don't want the LIs to adhere to the implausible and impossible to meet relationship standards of the real world so clearly I mean this is fantasy game I should romance anyone I want (including none LIs and sheep and other crap) and not just the four LIs already written to be romance options." 

Nope.

I just feel since there is no possible way whatsoever for them to get the dynamics of a RL relationship realistic with a protagonist that can have different personalities, background and likes with limited dialogue there's no harm in having said LIs for both genders. Oh noes.

I mean really in a video game not having to worry about a LI rejecting you because of your gender instead of the actions you make? My god. The very fabric of our real world society will rip apart if that's not enforced in a video game.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:05 .