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[d4eaming]

eluvianix wrote...

Oh dear, here comes another LI thread about to go off the rails and get locked...I'll just stick to drinking every time I see an ignorant comment...

We'd have alcohol poisoning within the hour.

[Neon Rising Winter]

eluvianix wrote...

Oh dear, here comes another LI thread about to go off the rails and get locked...I'll just stick to drinking every time I see an ignorant comment...

Out of curiousity, what is your average alcohol spend per romance thread?

[Ryzaki]

Steelcan wrote...

There should only be options for straight white males because it'd be hilarious

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Nope that's the norm.

If there's only options for gay men *that'd* be hilarious.

[Wheel_of_Fate]

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

[Rawgrim]

Just add variety, I say. A mix of gays, bisexuals, and heteros. Something for everyone.

[Steelcan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

There should only be options for straight white males because it'd be hilarious

Nope that's the norm.

If there's only options for gay men *that'd* be hilarious.

Yeah but the rage on this forum would be sooooooooo sweet

[Lanavis]

Dokarqt wrote...

Let's all complain preemptively before a transgression has even occured!

Tbf, complaining now would increase the odds that our suggestions are factored in the game than hoping they are factored in via dlc after the game is released.

[sandalisthemaker]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

Except the player isn't forcing anything.
The characters are made to be that way by their creators.

[Eragon-]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

How do you not see the irony in this ?

[Am1vf]

Narrow Margin wrote...
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Someone made a point above that made me think favourably of the playersexual approach. If you specify a character as homosexual/bisexual it's not uncommon for the writing of that character to draw in preconceptions which affect the character's personality and story arc. By making them player sexual you do force the writer's hand away from that. Now you could argue that better writing is the answer, but given the extent to which this occurs in mainstream fiction across all media, I don't see it as a practical answer.

I don't know if it would be a practical answer or not, but if the wirters can't make homosexual/bisexual/etc characters without recurring to stereotypes it seems like a important problem that needs fixing in it's own right. Maybe the playersexual romances can do as a temporary patch intil they have the more important issue sorted out but it can't be a long term solution imho.

[Lanavis]

Silfren wrote...

Trista Hawke wrote...

wiccame wrote...

I completly agree

 

Thanks.

The confirmed number 9 for companions has me wondering if LI gender will be equally distributed. Based on previous DA games - I'd say yes. But you never know...

I don't understand the issue here.  In Origins we had 4, two male, two female.  In DA2 we had the same makeup: two male, two female.  (Yes, I'm aware that technically Sebastian made 5, but he always came across as a last-minute afterthought rather than one of the primary LI options.)  Gaider has stated the intention to maintain the all-inclusive (all-bi) aspect among all LIs.

What exactly is the worry, here?

Link to Gaider's comment? I want to believe you, but I can't help worrying.

[d4eaming]

Eragon- wrote...

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

How do you not see the irony in this ?

Lols yeah, that's like the whole point of RPGs, natch.

[Hellion Rex]

Narrow Margin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Oh dear, here comes another LI thread about to go off the rails and get locked...I'll just stick to drinking every time I see an ignorant comment...

Out of curiousity, what is your average alcohol spend per romance thread?

Too much to count. That's why my boyfriend types for me 

[werewoof]

Eragon- wrote...

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

How do you not see the irony in this ?

next person says sexuality is a personality trait im gonna scream

as a writer i find that to be really daft

[Neon Rising Winter]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

I don't buy that video game characters are (for the most part) that intricately designed to start with, because sexuality seems to me a pretty subtle personality trait. I can go years knowing someone and, especially if they're not in a long term relationship, have no idea what their sexuality is. And come to think of it, even then I usually have no idea if they're bisexual or not. I'm damn sure there's lots of people who know me who have no idea of my sexuality, but still know me quite well.

[Rawgrim]

I`d like to pick my characters sexuality, not everyone elses. Its an rpg, not a dating-sim.

[Ryzaki]

TiaraBlade wrote...
There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

You wanna know whatelse isn't real or plausible that's in the dragon age games? Dragons, demons, drinking darkspawn blood mixed with magic and archedemon blood somehow making you a warden but it only lasts for years before you straight up turn into a ghoul. Shapeshifting, crazy dragon cults where they get special powers from drinking said dragon's blood (instead of just getting sick protip: drinking blood doesn't give you power this isn't twilight). Dragons with thin ass wings carrying their ****** bodies. PHYSICS. GRAVITY. Darkspawn hordes. Blood magic (and magic period). Elves + humans = Elves (is their any species on earth that can reproduce with something that doesn't create a half breed of itself?) seriously how the **** does that work? Shouldn't they just not be able to have kids with anything other than elves? Oh wait magic. The veil. So on and so forth.

Also you neglect to realize that DA doesn't have the same bias against sexuality that we have. So that right there would result in several very real differences.

That every LI ends up being a whooping 4 people. I know four bisexual people. That's not implausible to me. What's implausible to me is a group of nine people 3 of them mages, one's a bloodmage elf that was training to be keeper, the other is a escaped circle mage possessed by a spirit and the other is a Hawke and they all convienently meet in Kirkwall or around it.

So yeah the whole damn plot of the DA games tends to go against human reality god I hate that arguement.

Also the inquisitor finding the bad guy who just surrenders isn't against reality it's just BAD. Starchild shows that. Doesn't matter how realistic it is or isn't it's terrible storytelling.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:17 .

[d4eaming]

tiktac wrote...

Eragon- wrote...

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

How do you not see the irony in this ?

next person says sexuality is a personality trait im gonna scream

as a writer i find that to be really daft

I write too, and my character sheets sure never specify.

[wolfhowwl]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Yeah, Lindsay, it's sad to see all of these people being so frustrated about lacking in real life, that they want to cram their sexuality down the throat of others and ruin a game's integrity.

Yeah, I'm getting pretty sick of creepy nerdbait romances like Tali and Merrill getting shoehorned in to pander to the base needs of the nerds who want their self-insert fawned over.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:20 .

[Angrywolves]

I'm against perm banning players.
I'd probably be one of the first ones.
Rotfl.
Not worth banning anyone for disagreeing about this stuff.
There're are those who hate romances , ridicule those of us who like them and yes they feel morally superior.
There are disagreements concerning how many Lis should be this sexual persuasion or that, how it should be portrayed, how society treats one class or another, what's fair and so on and so forth with perpetual arguing in all romance threads.
Be better to forget the other stuff and return to the topic.