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[Hellion Rex]

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That every LI ends up being a whooping 4 people. I know four bisexual people. That's not implausible to me. What's implausible to me is a group of nine people 3 of them mages, one's a bloodmage elf that was training to be keeper, the other is a escaped circle mage possessed by a spirit and the other is a Hawke and they all convienently meet in Kirkwall or around it.

But you already had four "bisexual" LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

And you already had straight and bisexual LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

Naturally. We're the majority of the population.

So if it's good enough for you, screw us then?

[d4eaming]

tiktac wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I`d like to pick my characters sexuality, not everyone elses. Its an rpg, not a dating-sim.

Yes. You have it right. This is why I am against having every character bisexual it cheapens the character. A few things for you social justice warriors.

Because I am against every character being bisexual it does not make me a bigot, I simply think characters should be written with the development in mind and not the sexuality first. I am against cheapening of the character not bisexual or any type of sexuals that are available. Everyone knows crusty and I are homosexual 

Well, seeing as they have said repeatedly that they create the character first, and then decide which ones get to be LIs.... I am not seeing their sexuality as having a massive impact on who they are as a person.

everyone knows that if a character isnt straight, their sexuality was the first thing decided about them. and that its inherently terrible to do so. it is impossible to properly develop a character if they evolve from a desire to be more inclusive. thats the rules of writing totally.

My longterm goal is to write a series of fabulous high fantasy books into a multi-novel epic that features multiple gay male primary protagonists. I sit in glee at how many people will get pissed off about it.

One of these days, I want to see a AAA game with a gay/lesbian protagonist, and then see many people here that whine about "integrity" would actually play it because it's not catering to their sexual preference.

[sandalisthemaker]

LindsayLohan wrote...
Everyone knows crusty and I are homosexual 

You're a troll is what you are.

[Rawgrim]

Ryzaki wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That every LI ends up being a whooping 4 people. I know four bisexual people. That's not implausible to me. What's implausible to me is a group of nine people 3 of them mages, one's a bloodmage elf that was training to be keeper, the other is a escaped circle mage possessed by a spirit and the other is a Hawke and they all convienently meet in Kirkwall or around it.

But you already had four "bisexual" LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

And you already had straight and bisexual LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

Naturally. We're the majority of the population.

Again don't care.

I just want LIs available to both genders of players. Instead of having 1 to someone else's 2 or 3. After all you might be the majority of the population (FYI I'm a straight female) but I'm also paying 60 dollars for this game. So yeah I feel free to ask for both LIs available to both genders you in case I want to play my characters that way.,

The people who disagree with you are paying the same amount of money for the same game. Not really a good argument.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Am1_vf wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...
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Someone made a point above that made me think favourably of the playersexual approach. If you specify a character as homosexual/bisexual it's not uncommon for the writing of that character to draw in preconceptions which affect the character's personality and story arc. By making them player sexual you do force the writer's hand away from that. Now you could argue that better writing is the answer, but given the extent to which this occurs in mainstream fiction across all media, I don't see it as a practical answer.

I don't know if it would be a practical answer or not, but if the wirters can't make homosexual/bisexual/etc characters without recurring to stereotypes it seems like a important problem that needs fixing in it's own right. Maybe the playersexual romances can do as a temporary patch intil they have the more important issue sorted out but it can't be a long term solution imho.

I'll admit I am not looking to the long term here, where I think there will be more movement as societal attitudes change. But I don't have a problem with a good short term, practical fix that makes things better if not perfect. This is the kind of issue that goes away in incremental steps, not one leap, and I find the playersexual approach to be a good current increment. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

[werewoof]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That every LI ends up being a whooping 4 people. I know four bisexual people. That's not implausible to me. What's implausible to me is a group of nine people 3 of them mages, one's a bloodmage elf that was training to be keeper, the other is a escaped circle mage possessed by a spirit and the other is a Hawke and they all convienently meet in Kirkwall or around it.

But you already had four "bisexual" LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

And you already had straight and bisexual LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

Naturally. We're the majority of the population.

And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

high five for this yo 

protip when your argument is "but we already get all the attention" and thats supposed to convince me that you should continue getting all said attention it makes your sense of entitlement pretty hard to miss

[Rawgrim]

d4eaming wrote...

tiktac wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I`d like to pick my characters sexuality, not everyone elses. Its an rpg, not a dating-sim.

Yes. You have it right. This is why I am against having every character bisexual it cheapens the character. A few things for you social justice warriors.

Because I am against every character being bisexual it does not make me a bigot, I simply think characters should be written with the development in mind and not the sexuality first. I am against cheapening of the character not bisexual or any type of sexuals that are available. Everyone knows crusty and I are homosexual 

Well, seeing as they have said repeatedly that they create the character first, and then decide which ones get to be LIs.... I am not seeing their sexuality as having a massive impact on who they are as a person.

everyone knows that if a character isnt straight, their sexuality was the first thing decided about them. and that its inherently terrible to do so. it is impossible to properly develop a character if they evolve from a desire to be more inclusive. thats the rules of writing totally.

My longterm goal is to write a series of fabulous high fantasy books into a multi-novel epic that features multiple gay male primary protagonists. I sit in glee at how many people will get pissed off about it.

One of these days, I want to see a AAA game with a gay/lesbian protagonist, and then see many people here that whine about "integrity" would actually play it because it's not catering to their sexual preference.

Gaym of Thrones?

[sandalisthemaker]

LindsayLohan wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...
Everyone knows crusty and I are homosexual 

You're a troll is what you are.

Why are you judging me sandal? What is to stop you from believing? You are a bigot sandal.

Hahahahahahahahaha

[Hellion Rex]

Ryzaki wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

They arn`t bisexual. Gaider said their sexualities change based on the player`s gender. Meaning the player is a sexuall Mary-Sue that makes people around him switch sexualities just by being there.

Gaider did say they were all bisexual. He said it was interpretation of them that changed.

To be fair, I thought Gaider said only Isabela and Anders were the only bisexuals. I just watched his talk.

[Hellion Rex]

LindsayLohan wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...
Everyone knows crusty and I are homosexual 

You're a troll is what you are.

Why are you judging me sandal? What is to stop you from believing? You are a bigot sandal.

Oh, the irony.

[d4eaming]

Rawgrim wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

tiktac wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I`d like to pick my characters sexuality, not everyone elses. Its an rpg, not a dating-sim.

Yes. You have it right. This is why I am against having every character bisexual it cheapens the character. A few things for you social justice warriors.

Because I am against every character being bisexual it does not make me a bigot, I simply think characters should be written with the development in mind and not the sexuality first. I am against cheapening of the character not bisexual or any type of sexuals that are available. Everyone knows crusty and I are homosexual 

Well, seeing as they have said repeatedly that they create the character first, and then decide which ones get to be LIs.... I am not seeing their sexuality as having a massive impact on who they are as a person.

everyone knows that if a character isnt straight, their sexuality was the first thing decided about them. and that its inherently terrible to do so. it is impossible to properly develop a character if they evolve from a desire to be more inclusive. thats the rules of writing totally.

My longterm goal is to write a series of fabulous high fantasy books into a multi-novel epic that features multiple gay male primary protagonists. I sit in glee at how many people will get pissed off about it.

One of these days, I want to see a AAA game with a gay/lesbian protagonist, and then see many people here that whine about "integrity" would actually play it because it's not catering to their sexual preference.

Gaym of Thrones?

Nah, not into murdering half the cast :innocent:

[Ryzaki]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Of course this adds nothing to the game and only makes the romances all the more generic and two dimensional. There is quite simply no good reason for every romance to be bisexual.

You say this like the romances are something earth shattering to start with just because they're exclusive. They're not.

Also what do restricted romances add to the game that non restricted romances don't? 

And there's no good reason for romances to be restricted than someone saying "I want them to be". Story reasons? Could work for both genders you just would have to have OMG differences.

[sandalisthemaker]

greengoron89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

So if it's good enough for you, screw us then?

You already have LIs available to you in Bioware games.

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

I'm not the one demanding Bioware cater to me.

Sure you are.
You want them to do what you want in regards to romance = catering to you.

[Hellion Rex]

d4eaming wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

tiktac wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I`d like to pick my characters sexuality, not everyone elses. Its an rpg, not a dating-sim.

Yes. You have it right. This is why I am against having every character bisexual it cheapens the character. A few things for you social justice warriors.

Because I am against every character being bisexual it does not make me a bigot, I simply think characters should be written with the development in mind and not the sexuality first. I am against cheapening of the character not bisexual or any type of sexuals that are available. Everyone knows crusty and I are homosexual 

Well, seeing as they have said repeatedly that they create the character first, and then decide which ones get to be LIs.... I am not seeing their sexuality as having a massive impact on who they are as a person.

everyone knows that if a character isnt straight, their sexuality was the first thing decided about them. and that its inherently terrible to do so. it is impossible to properly develop a character if they evolve from a desire to be more inclusive. thats the rules of writing totally.

My longterm goal is to write a series of fabulous high fantasy books into a multi-novel epic that features multiple gay male primary protagonists. I sit in glee at how many people will get pissed off about it.

One of these days, I want to see a AAA game with a gay/lesbian protagonist, and then see many people here that whine about "integrity" would actually play it because it's not catering to their sexual preference.

Gaym of Thrones?

Nah, not into murdering half the cast :innocent:

That made me cackle. 

[Ryzaki]

Rawgrim wrote...
The people who disagree with you are paying the same amount of money for the same game. Not really a good argument.

And he can do the shocking and terrible action of not doing said romances.

I can't do romances that aren't there.

I don't want MP in DAI. I'm just not going to play it.

I'm not going to say they should remove it for people that want it.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:28 .

[AresKeith]

Honestly, I'd rather the characters themselves show that they have a preference and some show that they aren't interested

[lady_v23]

TiaraBlade wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

So equal is a 1:1 ratio, yet the market (human population) in the real world doesn't exist as a 1:1 sexuality ratio. So is equality you getting more attention than everybody else or did I forget to factor in privilege into my math?

OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and realistically put in a video game.

There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

Wait so having everyone "bi" is not plausible.  But magic, elf, dragons, demons, griffins, quanari is very much.  Because this is a FANTASY GAME, but everyone being "bi" is way too unrealistic! forgetting the fact that Vivienne freaking teleports..

Who are you to tell what is plausible and what is not in video game that focuses on fantasy?

and a correction for you.  It is not everyone being bi. learn what people mean when they say they want player-sexuality.

[Rawgrim]

tiktac wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That every LI ends up being a whooping 4 people. I know four bisexual people. That's not implausible to me. What's implausible to me is a group of nine people 3 of them mages, one's a bloodmage elf that was training to be keeper, the other is a escaped circle mage possessed by a spirit and the other is a Hawke and they all convienently meet in Kirkwall or around it.

But you already had four "bisexual" LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

And you already had straight and bisexual LIs in a Dragon Age game. What more can you ask for?

Naturally. We're the majority of the population.

And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

high five for this yo 

protip when your argument is "but we already get all the attention" and thats supposed to convince me that you should continue getting all said attention it makes your sense of entitlement pretty hard to miss

I know this isn`t convenient for your argumentation. But nobody is asking to remove homosexuality or bisexuality from the game. Just the bit where 100 percent of the love interests are player-sexual. An equal amount of love interests for every sexuality would be no problem.

[werewoof]

greengoron89 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

So if it's good enough for you, screw us then?

You already have LIs available to you in Bioware games.

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

I'm not the one demanding Bioware cater to me.

"you already have LIs in bioware games" thats like saying you already have walls why do you want a whole house? 

and demanding bioware cater to you is exactly what you are doing it is exactly that

[General TSAR]

AresKeith wrote...
Honestly, I'd rather the characters themselves show that they have a preference and some show that they aren't interested

Honestly I don't understand why some people are up in arms with this statement.