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[TrueMyst]

Silfren wrote...

TrueMyst wrote...

I get the feeling many people play Bioware's games as a love simulator more than anything. Weird...

A lot of people say this.  Granted, you don't say it with quite the same scorn and derision, but really, based on what? A lot of people like the romances and would be disappointed to see them removed.  This hardly translates to those people being sad, pathetic types who pretend that DA is really a dating sim.  

The real problem here is more that some people don't like the romances and feel morally superior to those who do.

I like the romances too. I never said I didn't. A majority of fans are overly obsessive with it though. I imagine they're the sorts that write fanfics and ship straight characters together because they wished they were gay instead.

[Rawgrim]

General TSAR wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
Honestly, I'd rather the characters themselves show that they have a preference and some show that they aren't interested

Honestly I don't understand why some people are up in arms with this statement.

Because it aparantly represents biggotry, homophobia, and a hidden agenda to make all love interests straight.

[Inquisitor Recon]

LindsayLohan wrote...
How about dat Mailbox LI?

The pirate? She had a lot of characterization.

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

SO, HOW ABOUT THAT CULLEN?

Bisexual romance option of course.

No.

And who are you deny me that templar? My male mage is going to corrupt that pure little chantry boy. 

Play a female then if you want him.

[Hellion Rex]

General TSAR wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

SO, HOW ABOUT THAT CULLEN?

He's a disgrace to the Order.

Just wait till my male mage Inquisitor corrupts him.

[Neon Rising Winter]

eluvianix wrote...

tiktac wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

SO, HOW ABOUT THAT CULLEN?

no thank you, i got my eyes on iron bull 

Haha actually Iron Bull is mine  I was just trying to change the subject a little bit.

You just want him because he's named after two drinks.

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Honestly, I'd rather the characters themselves show that they have a preference and some show that they aren't interested

I would actually prefer this be based off actions rather than gender.

A douche canoe shouldn't be able to avoid dragging this/her LI to where he/she is being a douchecanoe and said LI despite being the kind of person taht would DESPISE protag bumping uglies. I hope this is fixed in DAI cause yeah that was stupid.

My white knight should not have been able to romance Morrigan.

(Hilariously the one Morrigan was keen to claw off pants was my doucehbag Mage and he started running away the second she started talking about love. HA)

Gender should play a factor along with the actions you make in the game

[addiction21]

When ever this "equality equals equal number" I always wonder if people would raise such noise if the numbers fell to their favor.

Its something to think on. I don't want anyone answer because I doubt it would be true. No more so then mine.

[werewoof]

greengoron89 wrote...

tiktac wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

You want the characters to not be playersexual. Yes?

Doesn't bother me. I just want to know how people could possibly demand more when equal representation for LIs has already been achieved.

well, yknow, theres the eons of oppression and erasure but uhhhh

thats nothing

clearly 

So this isn't about leveling the playing field, this is about evening the score.

Thanks for finally revealing your true intentions.

i do enjoy oppressing straight white men and drinking their tears yes

my plan has been uncovered

Modifié par tiktac, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:36 .

[Mr.House]

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

[sandalisthemaker]

greengoron89 wrote...

tiktac wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

You want the characters to not be playersexual. Yes?

Doesn't bother me. I just want to know how people could possibly demand more when equal representation for LIs has already been achieved.

well, yknow, theres the eons of oppression and erasure but uhhhh

thats nothing

clearly 

So this isn't about leveling the playing field, this is about evening the score.

Thanks for finally revealing your true intentions.

You've already revealed yours, clearly.

[Hellion Rex]

Narrow Margin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

tiktac wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

SO, HOW ABOUT THAT CULLEN?

no thank you, i got my eyes on iron bull 

Haha actually Iron Bull is mine  I was just trying to change the subject a little bit.

You just want him because he's named after two drinks.

;)

[Ryzaki]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Please tell me how entitled and privileged I am, I find it hilarious. Yes I am "privileged" for thinking a game developer should recognize the reality of the market, how terrible of me.

Does anybody have an argument for this that doesn't consist of repeating "inclusion", "progression" and "fairness" repeatedly?

It's odd how you guys can somehow mentally reconcile crying about "representation" with making everybody bisexual.

Reality of the market is Fee to pay, Microtransactions, multiplayer, gambling packs, day one dlc that's on the disc (people paying for this by the buttload).

Reality of the market isn't always a good thing and not always something that needs to be emulated and held as some golden standards.

We have some ****ty market realities atm.

[Rawgrim]

Ryzaki wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

You wanna know what else is part of the setting? People not feeling like **** thanks to dogmatic religions (and no this is not all religions before someone jumps down my throat) because they're not straight. So yeah that'd have an impact on people expressing sexuality.

Homosexuality is not frowned upon in Thedas. That bit is clear in the lore. However, the lore says nothing about people being able to change other peoples sexualities.

[Inquisitor Recon]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...
How about dat Mailbox LI?

Fail

Still upset that mailbox pirate stole Lindsay from you? Someday you need to move on.

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

Where??

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

Proof or it didn't happen.
PS, unless she specifically said "I'm not into women" or the person who created her specifically said "She's not into women,"  You have no way of knowing.


You only have your assumptions.

[lady_v23]

Rawgrim wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

So equal is a 1:1 ratio, yet the market (human population) in the real world doesn't exist as a 1:1 sexuality ratio. So is equality you getting more attention than everybody else or did I forget to factor in privilege into my math?

OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and realistically put in a video game.

There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

Wait so having everyone "bi" is not plausible.  But magic, elf, dragons, demons, griffins, quanari is very much.  Because this is a FANTASY GAME, but everyone being "bi" is way too unrealistic! forgetting the fact that Vivienne freaking teleports..

Who are you to tell what is plausible and what is not in video game that focuses on fantasy?

and a correction for you.  It is not everyone being bi. learn what people mean when they say they want player-sexuality.

Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

but they are not changing sexuality? for example.  when you played DA2.  And lets say you romanced Merrill with a male hawke.  You're assuming she's straight because she is with your, very much male, hawke.  She never tells you she's straight.  Same if you romanced Merrill with a female hawke.  You would assume she's a lesbian because she's into you.

that is what player sexuality is NOT making everyone "bi".  Therefore how exactly is player sexuality.  not plausible in a game where magic in the norm.

Modifié par lady_v23, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[d4eaming]

tiktac wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

tiktac wrote...


well, yknow, theres the eons of oppression and erasure but uhhhh

thats nothing

clearly 

So this isn't about leveling the playing field, this is about evening the score.

Thanks for finally revealing your true intentions.

i do enjoy oppressing straight white men and drinking their tears yes

my plan has been uncovered

[sandalisthemaker]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

LindsayLohan wrote...
How about dat Mailbox LI?

Fail

Still upset that mailbox pirate stole Lindsay from you? Someday you need to move on.

weak.

[spirosz]

Only thing I care about is, don't make everyone romanceable by the PC.

[Xenomorphine]

devSin wrote...

Actually, if you
went to PAX, you apparently got to hear Patrick explain how this wasn't
the case (as they've said in the past, it was easier to have both
Shepards record all the dialogue back then, so both actors did every
single line, even the only-male or only-female ones).

Interesting, thanks for that. Hadn't been aware... Though, having seen the You Tube edits people have put together of female Shepard and Ashley acting out the romance dialogue, it looked totally natural.

You also got to hear him say that Kaidan was queer enough to be bisexual, but Ashley wasn't. :/

Seriously?

I mean, firstly, I don't see a person's sexuality necessarily being externalised in a stereotypical way. You can have people most would assume to be totally straight and are anything but.

Most of all, though, I now have to wonder why ME1 Ashley's farewell Normandy audio sounds so bizarrely flirty if she wasn't planned to be bisexual...

Royal-Archer wrote...

Yes, so much yes. I am all for everyone having the option to interpret this aspect of a specific character however they want, which is why I'm for playersexual options; my Merrill, Fenris, Anders and Leliana are all straight. Your Merrill and Leliana aren't? Okay, fine. To each their own. 

Naturally, characters like Isabela and Zevran are written in a certain way. I think only the characters that mention it should be considered canonically bi/homosexual. Everyone else is open to interpretation based on the player's actions. That should make everyone happy, right? Unfortunately it seems not, but most should be content with it.

Precisely what I was getting at! Just because you can romance, say, Fenris as a dude, doesn't mean Fenris must be bisexual. If there's no hint of it in the specific play-through you're actually a part of, why assume it? It's a different reality. Different continuity.

You can't romance Varric and he mentions something about not going with humans, at one point, but if they have the next game allude to that being nothing but him making a casual joke? I'm not going to say they're "retconning his sexuality" or whatever.

Either way, while I can see it as a bit more realistic if it takes you more steps of dialogue to unlock same-sex romances, the mediaeval world was just as full of bisexuality/homosexuality as it is now. It's just that those segments of history (as genuinely fascinating as they are) aren't often taught about in schools.

I was recently watching a documentary about teh samurai and it was pointed out how it was completely acceptable for many to take on male lovers. No mockery from society. It was just a thing. And as for the Spartans, if '300' had been historically authentic, it would have had a very different sexual tone, to say the least!

For RPGs, though - especially on the epic scale Bioware is now able to present them - I say that, while I'm all for reflecting many characters having prejudice of all types, locking out potential romances feels like it goes against he spirit of escapist adventuring.

It's funny some bring up ethnic diversity, though. An Asian friend of mine said she prided herself on crafting an amazing-looking Asian male Hawke and then laughed her head off because his siblings and mother were white! I don't think it would've taken much in the way of resources for Bioware to have programmed your sibling/parent's skin tone to match whichever one you choose. Hopefully, they'll do that for the upcoming one, should family be represented.

lady_v23 wrote...

but
they are not changing sexuality? for example.  when you played DA2. 
And lets say you romanced Merrill with a male hawke.  You're assuming
she's straight because she is with your, very much male, hawke.  She
never tells you she's straight.  Same if you romanced Merrill with a
female hawke.  You would assume she's a lesbian because she's into you.

that
is what player sexuality is NOT making everyone "bi".  Therefore how
exactly is player sexuality.  not plausible in a game where magic in the
norm.

Yep. It's no more makes other characters 'unrealistic' than the fact that you can define your own Hawke/Warden/Inquisitor as completely different heights, ethnicities, genders and even entire species. They occupy a space in their own continuity, not anyone else's.

One person's Hawke is no less valid than another's. Just as one world's Fenris/Leliana/whoever is no more valid than another's.

Modifié par Xenomorphine, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:44 .