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[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Honestly, I'd rather the characters themselves show that they have a preference and some show that they aren't interested

I would actually prefer this be based off actions rather than gender.

A douche canoe shouldn't be able to avoid dragging this/her LI to where he/she is being a douchecanoe and said LI despite being the kind of person taht would DESPISE protag bumping uglies. I hope this is fixed in DAI cause yeah that was stupid. 

My white knight should not have been able to romance Morrigan. 

(Hilariously the one Morrigan was keen to claw off pants was my doucehbag Mage and he started running away the second she started talking about love. HA) 

Gender should play a factor along with the actions you make in the game

Modifié par AresKeith, 08 septembre 2013 - 03:07 .

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

Where??

Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

[Neon Rising Winter]

spirosz wrote...

Only thing I care about is, don't make everyone romanceable by the PC.

You may be the one person on the thread guaranteed to have what they want. I'm sure there will be someone in the game who will resist our PCs protagonistic charms.

[Hellion Rex]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

Proof or it didn't happen.
PS, unless she specifically said "I'm not into women" or the person who created her specifically said "She's not into women,"  You have no way of knowing.


You only have your assumptions.

He or she is probably referring to the scene where Cassandra calls Hawke "romantic" after he slays the Arishok

[dragondreamer]

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

Believe it or not, personality and sexuality aren't the same thing.  If it was, I'd probably appear to have as much of a personality disorder as my Warden (then again, he's gay no matter what state he's in).  Also, yes, it's a game, and one in which you direct the narrative.  Funny, but I think that's part of the appeal.  (My only straight female Warden forced Alistair to be king and marry Anora...whoops.)  However, I don't see it as forcing yourself onto anyone you want, because you can't do that.  You can't romance everyone in your party.  I see the LI choices as the people who potentially can fall in love with the pc under the right circumstances.  

[Rawgrim]

lady_v23 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

So equal is a 1:1 ratio, yet the market (human population) in the real world doesn't exist as a 1:1 sexuality ratio. So is equality you getting more attention than everybody else or did I forget to factor in privilege into my math?

OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and realistically put in a video game.

There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

Wait so having everyone "bi" is not plausible.  But magic, elf, dragons, demons, griffins, quanari is very much.  Because this is a FANTASY GAME, but everyone being "bi" is way too unrealistic! forgetting the fact that Vivienne freaking teleports..

Who are you to tell what is plausible and what is not in video game that focuses on fantasy?

and a correction for you.  It is not everyone being bi. learn what people mean when they say they want player-sexuality.

Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

but they are not changing sexuality? for example.  when you played DA2.  And lets say you romanced Merrill with a male hawke.  You're assuming she's straight because she is with your, very much male, hawke.  She never tells you she's straight.  Same if you romanced Merrill with a female hawke.  You would assume she's a lesbian because she's into you.

that is what player sexuality is NOT making everyone "bi".  Therefore how exactly is player sexuality.  not plausible in a game where magic in the norm.

Because a warrior or a rogue can`t use magic, and no spell is being cast by the mage to make this happen.

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

Where??

Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

This confirms squat.

[ObserverStatus]

MasterScribe wrote...
I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

I don't really care either way, I'm just opposed to *not* having Connor Guerrin the desire demon abomination as an LI.

[werewoof]

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

Where??

Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

that was more varric's assumption than anything else though

and just because someone is bi doesn't mean they're attracted to everyone immediately

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Honestly, I'd rather the characters themselves show that they have a preference and some show that they aren't interested

I would actually prefer this be based off actions rather than gender.

A douche canoe shouldn't be able to avoid dragging this/her LI to where he/she is being a douchecanoe and said LI despite being the kind of person taht would DESPISE protag bumping uglies. I hope this is fixed in DAI cause yeah that was stupid.

My white knight should not have been able to romance Morrigan.

(Hilariously the one Morrigan was keen to claw off pants was my doucehbag Mage and he started running away the second she started talking about love. HA)

Gender should play a factor along with the actions you make in the game

For me not when it comes to LIs. I rather not be restricted for that. Especially when there's not alot of LIs to begin with. (4 is not alot). So then if I don't like one ore more of the LIs (which is HIGHLY likely) I'm stuck with two or one option. (I mean my options in DAO were Alistair or Leliana. I wasn't touching Morrigan or Zev with a 20 foot pole). And if I was playing a male my option was...Leliana or hand. So...I just ended up playing female all the time. At least if 4 LIs had been optional for both genders I'd always had that choice of Alistair or Leli. (And of course there's those that do the s/s options and if they don't like the s/s choice...they're screwed.).

This is not considering the 2/2/2 outcome of course. But honestly at that point it's too many damn options and seems unwieldy. ME series handled a large amount of romances TERRIBLY. Had to be fixed in DLC. Just...no thx. Few and sweet please.

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

I'll ask again. Is anyone opposed to having Cassandra and Vivienne as LIs?

As long as Cass is not into females sure, because it was already comfirmed in DA2 she is not into women.

Where??

Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Believe it or not, when one person finds another attractive they don't have to outright say it. Just because she didn't say, "I want to bang female Hawke", doesn't mean she doesn't find femHawke attractive.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Trista Hawke wrote...

TrueMyst wrote...
I like the romances too. I never said I didn't. A majority of fans are overly obsessive with it though. I imagine they're the sorts that write fanfics and ship straight characters together because they wished they were gay instead.

 

Well, don't you just have everyone pegged? This is incredibly presumptuous - and inaccurate as f*ck.

Actually given the behavior on this site that is probably very accurate. But I suppose that's just my white straight male privilege speaking.

sandalisthemaker wrote...
weak.

Yes you were, that's why she left you, but you need to pick yourself up and move on. You can't keep stalking her like this.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

[TrueMyst]

Trista Hawke wrote...

TrueMyst wrote...

Silfren wrote...

TrueMyst wrote...

I get the feeling many people play Bioware's games as a love simulator more than anything. Weird...

A lot of people say this.  Granted, you don't say it with quite the same scorn and derision, but really, based on what? A lot of people like the romances and would be disappointed to see them removed.  This hardly translates to those people being sad, pathetic types who pretend that DA is really a dating sim.  

The real problem here is more that some people don't like the romances and feel morally superior to those who do.

I like the romances too. I never said I didn't. A majority of fans are overly obsessive with it though. I imagine they're the sorts that write fanfics and ship straight characters together because they wished they were gay instead.

 

Well, don't you just have everyone pegged? This is incredibly presumptuous - and inaccurate as f*ck.

You have no idea how satisfying your response is. I appreciate it.

[Ryzaki]

Rawgrim wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

You wanna know what else is part of the setting? People not feeling like **** thanks to dogmatic religions (and no this is not all religions before someone jumps down my throat) because they're not straight. So yeah that'd have an impact on people expressing sexuality.

Homosexuality is not frowned upon in Thedas. That bit is clear in the lore. However, the lore says nothing about people being able to change other peoples sexualities.

And who changed anyone's sexuality?  maybe just maybe without the constant "you're crap you're disgusting you're abnormal how dare you have such preferences!" coming from every corner more people express a sexuality other than heterosexuality? Could that somehow be possible?

Nah.

[sandalisthemaker]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Yes you were, that's why she left you, but you need to pick yourself up and move on. You can't keep stalking her like this.

You still here?

[Hellion Rex]

Narrow Margin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

That might be bugged, cause I had heard differing reports on if she mentioned that or not.

[Ryzaki]

spirosz wrote...

Only thing I care about is, don't make everyone romanceable by the PC.

If this ever happened I'd facepalm. Mass Effect came closer to this than DA though. Way too many LIs in ME it got ridculous.

If you make so many LIs you have to kill/have them dump the protag to get them under control and give them two bit cameos you've done something terribly wrong.

[lady_v23]

Rawgrim wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

So equal is a 1:1 ratio, yet the market (human population) in the real world doesn't exist as a 1:1 sexuality ratio. So is equality you getting more attention than everybody else or did I forget to factor in privilege into my math?

OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and realistically put in a video game.

There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

Wait so having everyone "bi" is not plausible.  But magic, elf, dragons, demons, griffins, quanari is very much.  Because this is a FANTASY GAME, but everyone being "bi" is way too unrealistic! forgetting the fact that Vivienne freaking teleports..

Who are you to tell what is plausible and what is not in video game that focuses on fantasy?

and a correction for you.  It is not everyone being bi. learn what people mean when they say they want player-sexuality.

Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

but they are not changing sexuality? for example.  when you played DA2.  And lets say you romanced Merrill with a male hawke.  You're assuming she's straight because she is with your, very much male, hawke.  She never tells you she's straight.  Same if you romanced Merrill with a female hawke.  You would assume she's a lesbian because she's into you.

that is what player sexuality is NOT making everyone "bi".  Therefore how exactly is player sexuality.  not plausible in a game where magic in the norm.

Because a warrior or a rogue can`t use magic, and no spell is being cast by the mage to make this happen.

.right.

Arcane warrior.  Since I can wear armor, fight with swords and be as strong as a warrior.  I'm pretty sure that statement is false.

[Hi my name is Ryan]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

Am I on Tumblr right now?

[Hellion Rex]

Hi my name is Ryan wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

Am I on Tumblr right now?

Nope, this is a regular night on the BSN.

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

For me not when it comes to LIs. I rather not be restricted for that. Especially when there's not alot of LIs to begin with. (4 is not alot). So then if I don't like one ore more of the LIs (which is HIGHLY likely) I'm stuck with two or one option. (I mean my options in DAO were Alistair or Leliana. I wasn't touching Morrigan or Zev with a 20 foot pole). And if I was playing a male my option was...Leliana or hand. So...I just ended up playing female all the time. At least if 4 LIs had been optional for both genders I'd always had that choice of Alistair or Leli. (And of course there's those that do the s/s options and if they don't like the s/s choice...they're screwed.).

This is not considering the 2/2/2 outcome of course. But honestly at that point it's too many damn options and seems unwieldy. ME series handled a large amount of romances TERRIBLY. Had to be fixed in DLC. Just...no thx. Few and sweet please.

I was actually referring to the equal set number outcome, since it's 9 companions, plus I feel they should do non-companion romances (Cortez and Traynor) so it would make the 2/2/2

[sandalisthemaker]

eluvianix wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

That might be bugged, cause I had heard differing reports on if she mentioned that or not.

That scene confirms nothing.  Varric just assumes Cassandra has a crush on male Hawke, but doesn't assume she has one on female Hawke.  She's never even met Hawke.