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[Mr.House]

And like always, the bsn proves to me that who the **** cares about sexulity unless they are a lesbian like Sam THEN IT'S AGAINST LAW TO MAKE HER BI OR STRAIGHT.

As long as I can pork that person, who cares about consistency and established facts? Had sex.

[Rawgrim]

Ryzaki wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

You wanna know what else is part of the setting? People not feeling like **** thanks to dogmatic religions (and no this is not all religions before someone jumps down my throat) because they're not straight. So yeah that'd have an impact on people expressing sexuality.

Homosexuality is not frowned upon in Thedas. That bit is clear in the lore. However, the lore says nothing about people being able to change other peoples sexualities.

And who changed anyone's sexuality?  maybe just maybe without the constant "you're crap you're disgusting you're abnormal how dare you have such preferences!" coming from every corner more people express a sexuality other than heterosexuality? Could that somehow be possible?

Nah.

Nobody in the game is harassing peope for their sexualities. We are talking about the game here. Nodoby is bashing any sexualities at all. Just the fact that its not very belivable that 100 percent of the love interests in the game are player-sexual+bisexual. Nobody is asking to remove bisexuality either. Just that there should be an equal mix of all sexualities. Nobody is left out, and the characters feels more "real".

[sandalisthemaker]

Hi my name is Ryan wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

Am I on Tumblr right now?

Pay attention, man.
Pay attention.

[Mr.House]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

That might be bugged, cause I had heard differing reports on if she mentioned that or not.

That scene confirms nothing.  Varric just assumes Cassandra has a crush on male Hawke, but doesn't assume she has one on female Hawke.  She's never even met Hawke.

Diffrent dialog with two diffrent meanings.  Keep on asspulling.

[Neon Rising Winter]

eluvianix wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

That might be bugged, cause I had heard differing reports on if she mentioned that or not.

Best I can give you is I played it twice, got it both times. It may be dependent on certain statuses in character relationships or story?

[Hellion Rex]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

That might be bugged, cause I had heard differing reports on if she mentioned that or not.

That scene confirms nothing.  Varric just assumes Cassandra has a crush on male Hawke, but doesn't assume she has one on female Hawke.  She's never even met Hawke.

Hey, hey, hey. Calm down. I had just heard differing things from some people. I'm neither confirming or denying that she's bi.

[Rawgrim]

lady_v23 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

So equal is a 1:1 ratio, yet the market (human population) in the real world doesn't exist as a 1:1 sexuality ratio. So is equality you getting more attention than everybody else or did I forget to factor in privilege into my math?

OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and realistically put in a video game.

There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

Wait so having everyone "bi" is not plausible.  But magic, elf, dragons, demons, griffins, quanari is very much.  Because this is a FANTASY GAME, but everyone being "bi" is way too unrealistic! forgetting the fact that Vivienne freaking teleports..

Who are you to tell what is plausible and what is not in video game that focuses on fantasy?

and a correction for you.  It is not everyone being bi. learn what people mean when they say they want player-sexuality.

Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

but they are not changing sexuality? for example.  when you played DA2.  And lets say you romanced Merrill with a male hawke.  You're assuming she's straight because she is with your, very much male, hawke.  She never tells you she's straight.  Same if you romanced Merrill with a female hawke.  You would assume she's a lesbian because she's into you.

that is what player sexuality is NOT making everyone "bi".  Therefore how exactly is player sexuality.  not plausible in a game where magic in the norm.

Because a warrior or a rogue can`t use magic, and no spell is being cast by the mage to make this happen.

.right.

Arcane warrior.  Since I can wear armor, fight with swords and be as strong as a warrior.  I'm pretty sure that statement is false.

Does the arcane warrior have a "change sexuality" spell? No? Ok then.

[Ryzaki]

LindsayLohan wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Yes you were, that's why she left you, but you need to pick yourself up and move on. You can't keep stalking her like this.

You still here?

He is speaking the truth. I don't love you like I did. This is for the best sandal. I am sorry.

I hate your name because now I'm thinking about that stupid Miley Cyrus VMA performance and that picture showing her ass compared to a raw turkey.

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

And like always, the bsn proves to me that who the **** cares about sexulity unless they are a lesbian like Sam THEN IT'S AGAINST LAW TO MAKE HER BI OR STRAIGHT.

No one has said anything of the sort.

[werewoof]

Mr.House wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

That might be bugged, cause I had heard differing reports on if she mentioned that or not.

That scene confirms nothing.  Varric just assumes Cassandra has a crush on male Hawke, but doesn't assume she has one on female Hawke.  She's never even met Hawke.

Diffrent dialog with two diffrent meanings.  Keep on asspulling.

both of which confirm absolutely f*ck all about whether cassandra is straight or not

[DarthLaxian]

Trista Hawke wrote...

 This hasn't been a problem in the Dragon Age games, yet. But it was a huge issue in those Mass Effect games (for me, anyway). So, I hope Bioware sticks with offering players an equal number of romance-able males as there are females. I'd like this to include side characters your PC is able to flirt with, too. 

I just don't see the fairness in lopsided options, as was painfully evident in the ME games. 9 companions are confirmed, so what does that mean? 4 romance-able males, 4 romance-able females, and 1 platonic? Or in the very least, 2 romance-able males, 2 romance-able females, and 5 platonic? 

If there are more romance-able females than males, then it feels like Bioware is catering to one audience over another. There's no excuse for that - not in 2013...

playing the gender card in an area that is - still - male dominated (so why should a company that wants to turn up a profit not cater to it's audience? - what better way to make money, then selling exactly what your audience wants?) is a little ridiculous IMHO! (IMHO playing that card at all is just bad - women are dominant in so many areas and are even getting more university-degrees and other degrees of higher education then men do...same for that pay-gap nonsense (!) - no employer can pay less for the same work anymore, they would get sued (and they would lose - rightfully so!)...such things happen when one part of the population has engineers, doctors, scientists and the other has kindergarden-teachers, "normal"-teachers, nurses and stay at home moms (housewives!) - and when women, who want to have children (more often then men do!) want flexible working hours (those are paid worse then normal ones) etc....but even that is already changing (degrees, better over all grades because the schools cater to the demands of girls, while boys are looked down upon because they can't sit still all the time etc.)...have to stop here, i got so many examples (had to research this once, for a presentation at school - i talked for 45 minutes straight and got the best possible grade for that one - so i know what i am talking about!) that i could fill the page and still would not have listed and explained them all!)

=> so, now that this is out of the way (you have to excuse me, but women playing the gender card is like hitting the rage-button inside of my head, i can't accept that - note: i am for equality in all things for the genders, but then women have to accept the negative things, too (like forced military service in countries that have that or draft-registration like in the US) and not just pick what they like and not accepting the rest and things like schools etc. have to change to give both genders the fair chance they are owed IMHO):

i would love parity in the LIs - why? - because i play female characters, too!

and i can agree with saying, that it would be fair (but demanding it, when not doing it might be better for bioware? - well, i would not go that far)

greetings LAX

[Inquisitor Recon]

Hi my name is Ryan wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
And here is the root of the problem.

Your sense of entitlement is being attacked. lmao

Am I on Tumblr right now?

It is almost as pathetic. Somebody used the wording "cis gendered" in seriousness.

sandalisthemaker wrote...
You still here?

Yeah and I'm going to help you get through this rejection.

[Hellion Rex]

Filament wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
And who are you deny me that templar? My male mage is going to corrupt that pure little chantry boy. 

Play a female then if you want him.

I have noticed that it seems that almost no one wants to admit to playing RPGs as self-inserts in terms of general roleplaying, yet when it comes to LIs, "my options" seems to be a clear self-insert POV, and is the standard reasoning for all the inclusivity stuff, which I generally agree with. Yet it does seem that if you don't play from that POV, everyone really has the same amount of options regardless. You can romance any of the characters depending on which gender you choose or beliefs your characters hold, for example.

Which is not the same thing as saying "gays still have the option to get straight married"... obviously, since we do necessarily play life as ourselves.

Cheers. I definitely play as a self-insert, plus those awesome horns my Qunari is gonna have.

[Ryzaki]

Rawgrim wrote...
Nobody in the game is harassing peope for their sexualities. We are talking about the game here. Nodoby is bashing any sexualities at all. Just the fact that its not very belivable that 100 percent of the love interests in the game are player-sexual+bisexual. Nobody is asking to remove bisexuality either. Just that there should be an equal mix of all sexualities. Nobody is left out, and the characters feels more "real".

Point...

Your head...

I'm saying in a fictional world where people aren't lamblasted by their sexuality more people might be openly something other than straight. Full stop. Thus why the comparisons to RL sexuality fall flat.

Compared to the world we have know where if you dare not be straight you get several different groups telling you how disgusting you are and how you're going to hell and have to worry about losing friendships and family over it.

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Afteryou kill the Arishok. If you play a malehawke, she is attracted to him and Varric teased her about it, where if female Hawke Cass is impressed by her skills. If she was bi, she would also be attracted to female Hawke. She's not, so it's pretty dam clear she is not into women that way.

Then again this is the bsn where people don't give a crap about sexuality, they just want to have sex with it, the Sam mod for ME3 proved this.

Weird 'cause when I played it with a female Hawke she said the fight sounded romantic. Now no idea on what her romance status is DA:I is, but I think your wires are crossed on DA2.

That might be bugged, cause I had heard differing reports on if she mentioned that or not.

That scene confirms nothing.  Varric just assumes Cassandra has a crush on male Hawke, but doesn't assume she has one on female Hawke.  She's never even met Hawke.

Diffrent dialog with two diffrent meanings.  Keep on asspulling.

You have no proof. I've already explained why.

[wolfhowwl]

I wasn't bothered by the playersexuality of DA2, the rivalmances on the other hand...

I can be a Templar zealot who ****s on everything Anders stands for...

I can castigate Merrill...

And these people are still open to a relationship?

LOL!!!

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:52 .

[AutumnWitch]

lady_v23 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
How DARE I want equal LIs in a game. I mean. THE NERVE.

So equal is a 1:1 ratio, yet the market (human population) in the real world doesn't exist as a 1:1 sexuality ratio. So is equality you getting more attention than everybody else or did I forget to factor in privilege into my math?

OMG OMG OMG

You mean...real life isn't equal to a video game?

NO WAY.

You make the mistake in assuming I care about real life stats for video game romances. I don't. In RL you get a heck lot more than 2 or 3 people to "woo" and alot of them reject the hell out of you. RL has far too many relationship variables for them to be meaningfully and realistically put in a video game.

There is s limit to what can be coded of course. The original point is sound in that having everyone be bi doesn't synch up with "reality" or more succiently "plausability."

Dragon Age is not realistic with dragons, magic, etc.... however it constructs a reality that we accept as real. As long as it stays consistent with these rules, we accept it. At that point, the game must remain plausable, consistent with the world's rules and our own knowledge of how people act.

If the inquistor finds the final villain and the villian, after all their schemes, shrugs his or her shoulders, and gives up, the spell is broken and we immediately say, "whoa, that doesn't make sense!" Because it's not plausibile that someone who engineers all of this, all that effort, would just give up.

Same thing with every love interest swinging both ways; in the real world that doesn't happen and that reality informs our take on Thedas unless contradicted by world building that states that in this world, everyone is bisexual. Even then, it's SO different from our reality that many would have a hard time excepting it, just as we would have a hard time accepting a scene where dark spawn break into a house and the family invites them to tea. it doesn't consist with basic human reality.

Wait so having everyone "bi" is not plausible.  But magic, elf, dragons, demons, griffins, quanari is very much.  Because this is a FANTASY GAME, but everyone being "bi" is way too unrealistic! forgetting the fact that Vivienne freaking teleports..

Who are you to tell what is plausible and what is not in video game that focuses on fantasy?

and a correction for you.  It is not everyone being bi. learn what people mean when they say they want player-sexuality.

Dragons and magic excist in Thedas. Its part of the setting, and it is all explained. Therefore that is real within the frames of the dragon age world. "Realism within an unrealistic setting", i belive its called. If they suddenly introduce a cellphone into the mix, it becomes unrealistic.

Everyone magically changing sexuality, for no good reason other than the player wishing it, messes with alot of things, and it becomes "unrealistic" within the frames of the setting.

but they are not changing sexuality? for example.  when you played DA2.  And lets say you romanced Merrill with a male hawke.  You're assuming she's straight because she is with your, very much male, hawke.  She never tells you she's straight.  Same if you romanced Merrill with a female hawke.  You would assume she's a lesbian because she's into you.

that is what player sexuality is NOT making everyone "bi".  Therefore how exactly is player sexuality.  not plausible in a game where magic in the norm.

I love when people use the "its unrealistic" in a fantasy magic game,,  They dont care that there is magic being used, They dont care that warriors/rogues skills/talenst break every law of physics, they don't mind that dragons and werewolves are wandering around, etc,. etc, etc but make people BISEXUAL!!!! (not they really arent anyway) but OMG thats just not possible! You are destroying my suspension of disbelief! !!!!!

[Am1vf]

dragondreamer wrote...

Wheel_of_Fate wrote...

Okay, more seriously now. I am against player sexuality because it destroys a character's integrity. It's no longer about the character, but about you, the gamer, trying to shoehorn a character in a feature you like. It' like saying 'f*ck you, I'll make you mine no matter what' to a character when he/she states their sexuality. You, the gamer, force your own desires upon them, instead of accepting the character and how he/he was written by the writer. It's wishfullfillment. Very egocentric wishfullfillment. You basically deny one of the character's personality traits. You reduce him/her to their sexuality and force yours upon them. I know the realism argument is getting old, but would you do the same in real life? People would only mock you, or be turned off by you. I think this has a lot to do with showing respect for a character as a character, as how he/she was created and is. It's the same as customizing. 'Hey, I don't like these shoes on you. Let's switch them!', but then 'Hey, I don't like this part of your personality. Let's change that!'. It's horrible dehumanizing of the character in the game, because you reduce them to your own gender preference. They become a doll which you can customize and adapt to yourself. And this I find disgusting, especially from a writer's perspective. Just to make my point clear.

Believe it or not, personality and sexuality aren't the same thing.  If it was, I'd probably appear to have as much of a personality disorder as my Warden (then again, he's gay no matter what state he's in).  Also, yes, it's a game, and one in which you direct the narrative.  Funny, but I think that's part of the appeal.  (My only straight female Warden forced Alistair to be king and marry Anora...whoops.)  However, I don't see it as forcing yourself onto anyone you want, because you can't do that.  You can't romance everyone in your party.  I see the LI choices as the people who potentially can fall in love with the pc under the right circumstances.  

But I would prefer a game in which my character influences the world around her/him in a reasonable way. It also bothers me when any choice I make alters the context in any non-causal way...

I'm not sure I'm explaining myself. I can't remember any particular example in some games a character will ask your PC how they think something is and the world will be altered by your PCs answer to that question. It bothers me because I want my character to be be allowed to be wrong. I understand they do it so you can choose how is the world you play in but I think that's the writer's job.

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

And like always, the bsn proves to me that who the **** cares about sexulity unless they are a lesbian like Sam THEN IT'S AGAINST LAW TO MAKE HER BI OR STRAIGHT.

As long as I can pork that person, who cares about consistency and established facts? Had sex.

Honestly I'd been pissed if Sam was straight because ManShep didn't need anymore damn romance options.

Seriously the LI amount was so lopsided in MShep's favor (especially hetero MShep's favor) it was laughable.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 02:52 .

[Mr.House]

Of course they don't confirm anything to oyu, because you are in self denial and just want Bioware to cater to your needs instead of writing characters with consistency, but then get pissed when a mod that turned Sam/Steve bi is released.

[Palidane]

I think this thread is getting a little hostile toward straight white males. I would like to ask that we all give each other the benefit of the doubt, and not assume someone who disagrees with you is a militant homophobe/hetero-phobe(?).

[wolfhowwl]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

And like always, the bsn proves to me that who the **** cares about sexulity unless they are a lesbian like Sam THEN IT'S AGAINST LAW TO MAKE HER BI OR STRAIGHT.

As long as I can pork that person, who cares about consistency and established facts? Had sex.

Honestly I'd been pissed if Sam was straight because ManShep didn't need anymore damn romance options.

Seriously the LI amount was so lopsided in MShep's favor (especially hetero MShep's favor) it was laughable.

Poor heterosexual femshep...

[Hellion Rex]

Palidane wrote...

I think this thread is getting a little hostile toward straight white males. I would like to ask that we all give each other the benefit of the doubt, and not assume someone who disagrees with you is a militant homophobe/hetero-phobe(?).

We don't instantly assume that they are the enemy. Their words speak for themselves.