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[Potato Cat]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I would be good with 2 male, 2 female, and 2 bi OR 2 male, 2 female, 1 gay, and 1 lesbian.

Both of those would be terrible, as it only gives gay/lesbian PCs one LI. There's no choice there. It's either Companion X or nobody.

[mupp3tz]

Elfman wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I would be good with 2 male, 2 female, and 2 bi OR 2 male, 2 female, 1 gay, and 1 lesbian.

Both of those would be terrible, as it only gives gay/lesbian PCs one LI. There's no choice there. It's either Companion X or nobody.

Yes, but that's my personal standard. My canon is usually a female lesbian, and, realistically, I know they won't offer as many options as straight players. And working with 9 companions and the assumption that they won't all be romanceable.. that is a reasonable bar for me. So if I don't like the LI available, I just skip it. It's not a huge deal.. but I can understand others who would be much more upset. So, what would you suggest?

The only real 'fair' way I can think of is player sexual, and I'm not a fan. 

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:41 .

[Dokarqt]

Let's all complain preemptively before a transgression has even occured!

[d-boy15]

How about 2 gay, 2 straight and 2 bi?

But what am I kidding? of course you guys never enough...

[Silfren]

Trista Hawke wrote...

wiccame wrote...

I completly agree

 

Thanks.

The confirmed number 9 for companions has me wondering if LI gender will be equally distributed. Based on previous DA games - I'd say yes. But you never know...

I don't understand the issue here.  In Origins we had 4, two male, two female.  In DA2 we had the same makeup: two male, two female.  (Yes, I'm aware that technically Sebastian made 5, but he always came across as a last-minute afterthought rather than one of the primary LI options.)  Gaider has stated the intention to maintain the all-inclusive (all-bi) aspect among all LIs.

What exactly is the worry, here?

[The Elder King]

Elfman wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I would be good with 2 male, 2 female, and 2 bi OR 2 male, 2 female, 1 gay, and 1 lesbian.

Both of those would be terrible, as it only gives gay/lesbian PCs one LI. There's no choice there. It's either Companion X or nobody.

I don't know the poster's idea, but In the first cass the two male and female LI might be divided in two esclusive heterosexual and two esclusive homosexual.
That way a male/female hetero PC will get two LI, a male/female homosexual PC will get two LI, and m/f bi PC will get four LI.

[Silfren]

tiktac wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...

I disagree I don't think they should care for equality and fairness, they should just do what they want to do. I want play Bioware game. Not game all people would like. If you make game for everyone to like, no one will like it. Well I am selfish so as long as I get my Ice queen romance I am happy.

On number of romances 4 and 4 possible but most unlikely.
3 and 3 more likely.
But probably same as DA2 2 and 2.

because as long as you get your hetero dude romance everyone else can just get screwed over? representation and fairness aren't about "trying to make everyone like the game" they're about not sidelining everyone who isn't a straight guy playing a straight guy character and actually giving representation and even meaningful character relationships to groups of people who deserve that equal representation yet rarely get it in the video game industry. 

but yeah as long as you get your ice queen romance we're good ok

You must be new here.  Not sidelining those of us who aren't white straight male gamers is using your game to make a political statement, and that's just contemptible.  Catering to the Approved Status Quo, however, is NOT making any kind of a statement and it's totally okay.

[The Elder King]

@Silfren: Gaider said when he talked about the all bi approach that they'd likely do this, but that his preferred choice would be having equal possibilities for everyone, but diversity too. He said that they wouldn't to that way because it cost a lot and t expands the romance content maybe too much.
There were rumors at PAX about changing the DA2 approach, and I think that both at PAX and in the GI podcast they stated they're not ready to announce the approach, since they're still working on it. It seems to me that they might change the approach.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Silfren wrote...

You must be new here.  Not sidelining those of us who aren't white straight male gamers is using your game to make a political statement, and that's just contemptible.  Catering to the Approved Status Quo, however, is NOT making any kind of a statement and it's totally okay.

I really don't see what that has to do with anything here? It's a little depressing that someone so apparently dedicated to egalitarianism is quick to stereotype anyone who disagrees with them.

[King Cousland]

lady_v23 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

..right.

And if they give "equal representation to all sexualities' obviously, some LI will be locked.  And what about the people that wants to romance that LI? 

"oh! you wanted to romance C?  Too bad!  Bioware wanted to give EQUAL representation to all sexualities, you'll have just to settle with A and be sad."

So no.  Really, no thank you.

Your comment in short: "I want it and I want it NOW!"

[Versus Omnibus]

Dokarqt wrote...

Let's all complain preemptively before a transgression has even occured!

That's the BSN spirit!! 

[lady_v23]

King Cousland wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

..right.

And if they give "equal representation to all sexualities' obviously, some LI will be locked.  And what about the people that wants to romance that LI? 

"oh! you wanted to romance C?  Too bad!  Bioware wanted to give EQUAL representation to all sexualities, you'll have just to settle with A and be sad."

So no.  Really, no thank you.

Your comment in short: "I want it and I want it NOW!"

  Not really a bad thing.

[XHorrorShowX]

d-boy15 wrote...

How about 2 gay, 2 straight and 2 bi?

But what am I kidding? of course you guys never enough...

I agree - having six LIs, two heterosexual, two bisexual and two homosexual, would be the ideal way to go.

[Silfren]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

.....and the easiest way to do that is by making the LIs playersexual.  This is literally the only realistic way to even attempt equal representation.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Just make everybody bi. It's a little awkward when you're out there bro'ing it up with your favorite bro, and then he makes his move and you have to turn him down, but it's better than having a decent chunk of content developed and locked off due to your choice of gender.

[The Elder King]

Silfren wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

.....and the easiest way to do that is by making the LIs playersexual.  This is literally the only realistic way to even attempt equal representation.

Why would having 6 LI (2 hetero, 2 homosexual and 4 bisexual) will not rapresent equal rappresentation.
While I do prefer the approach I mentioned, I don't mind DA2's approach. I'm just curious of the reason you believe the former is not a good approach to rapresent equality.

[Fishy]

it would be a good change if the romance option was not always a follower.

[Friera]

Silfren wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Player sexuality is terrible.

What Bioware should do is give equal representation to all sexualities

.....and the easiest way to do that is by making the LIs playersexual.  This is literally the only realistic way to even attempt equal representation.

I agree, and I don´t get why people oppose to this. One of the argument against it is that "it´s not realistic that everyone is bi". But then again, what is realistic about this game? Not valid argument.

Personally I prefer playing as a male. And I always chose who I like best as a Li potensial, regardless of gender. I hate the thought of being forced play as a female, so I can romance that person I want, who happend to be heterosexual.

[Vivienne de Fer]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If we must have openly ******/bisexual characters in a medieval world, then can they at least all be playersexual, so that it can be left to the player's discretion? (except in cases like Sebastian -- it makes sense that only a female Hawke could romance him. The others you could at least somewhat believe.)

For example; if I have a male Hawke who romances Merrill and/or Isabela exclusively, then Fenris and Anders are both heterosexuals in my game. It is fine for someone else to pursue same-sex romances, but it doesn't take place in my game. . therefore I don't view those characters as bisexual simply because the option is presented. Obviously I understand characters that are actually sexually explorative/immoral (based on your point of view), like Isabela and Zevran, but characters like Leliana or Fenris should definitely be left to the player's discretion. (which they really were, and I like that)

So, in my game it doesn't take place and in your game it does. Everyone's happy, and we don't have to restrict a video game character to something unnecessarily "realistic."

I really do feel that is the best way to make everyone happy in this situation. :/ 

Modifié par Royal-Archer, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:12 .

[Friera]

Royal-Archer wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If we must have openly ******/bisexual characters in a medieval world, then can they at least all be playersexual, so that it can be left to the player's discretion? (except in cases like Sebastian -- it makes sense that only a female Hawke could romance him. The others you could at least somewhat believe.)

For example; if I have a male Hawke who romances Merrill and/or Isabela exclusively, then Fenris and Anders are both heterosexuals in my game. It is fine for someone else to pursue same-sex romances, but it doesn't take place in my game. . therefore I don't view those characters as bisexual simply because the option is presented. Obviously I understand characters that are actually sexually explorative/immoral (based on your point of view), like Isabela and Zevran, but characters like Leliana or Fenris should definitely be left to the player's discretion. (which they really were, and I like that)

So, in my game it doesn't take place and in your game it does. Everyone's happy, and we don't have to restrict a video game character to something unnecessarily "realistic."

I really do feel that is the best way to make everyone happy in this situation. :/ 

When you put it that way, I must say it seems reasonable  

[Silfren]

hhh89 wrote...

@Silfren: Gaider said when he talked about the all bi approach that they'd likely do this, but that his preferred choice would be having equal possibilities for everyone, but diversity too. He said that they wouldn't to that way because it cost a lot and t expands the romance content maybe too much.
There were rumors at PAX about changing the DA2 approach, and I think that both at PAX and in the GI podcast they stated they're not ready to announce the approach, since they're still working on it. It seems to me that they might change the approach.

I'm aware of Gaider's words on the subject, yes.  That's what I was going by, though I'm unaware of anything said on the issue during PAX. 

Personally I think the playersexual concept is the fairest and most efficient way of handling the problem, and I hope that they stick with it, because the whole "equal possibilities" deal does NOT address the problem that happens when players want to romance a specific LI but can only do that if they play that LIs required gender.  

That is the issue that people keep overlooking.  The playersexual approach may not be the ideal solution in a perfect world, but in the world we've got, it's the best one.  Certainly, between that option and the one that offers two or three each of gay/bi/straight, it is the more equitable one.  (Especially since sexuality does not come in three neat little boxes but is more fluid than that, which again is addressed at least in part by the whole playersexual concept).

[trying_touch]

I am hoping for two male and two female LI companions, and then a 3rd support NPC for each gender

Ideally, I'd like the following:
One companion Male LI for females only
One companion Male LI for both males and females
One NPC Male LI for males
One companion Female LI for females only
One companion Female LI for both males and females
One NPC Female LI for males and females

[werewoof]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Silfren wrote...

You must be new here.  Not sidelining those of us who aren't white straight male gamers is using your game to make a political statement, and that's just contemptible.  Catering to the Approved Status Quo, however, is NOT making any kind of a statement and it's totally okay.

I really don't see what that has to do with anything here? It's a little depressing that someone so apparently dedicated to egalitarianism is quick to stereotype anyone who disagrees with them.

hence why i avoided saying white in mine but that being said you cant deny that this industry is heavily, disproportionately geared towards white straight males and everyone else just gets the scraps. just look at how many of the people disagreeing with more s/s LI's and LI's aimed at women are just doing so because they're so used to video games being made for them and them only that the mere existence of something they arent personally interested in or sexually attracted to showing up in their game offends them.

Silfren said...

That is the issue that people keep overlooking.  The playersexual approach may not be the ideal solution in a perfect world, but in the world we've got, it's the best one.  Certainly, between that option and the one that offers two or three each of gay/bi/straight, it is the more equitable one.  (Especially since sexuality does not come in three neat little boxes but is more fluid than that, which again is addressed at least in part by the whole playersexual concept).

yeah thats how i've kinda seen it. ideally we'd see a wide range of LI's with different sexualities and gender identities and so forth but even if bioware wanted to do that, they've got to play nice with ea and they'd never be allowed to dump that much money and time into that given that they seem irrationally afraid of not catering to white straight dudes. playersexual li's aren't a perfect route but it makes things even at least, so it isn't like, "hey straight folks you get all kinds of romance options! and here you go, queer player, here's your one designated li, hope you like him" 

Modifié par tiktac, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:21 .