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lady_v23 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

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I wonder what you would have said if morrigan was a female only LI..


The same thing I'm saying now


of course.


Think I'm lying?

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Mr.House wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

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I agree, but I believe the debate between Bi and Player sexual romances are almost a pick your poison. I feel like playercentric romance might do their identities discredit, but what if your male warden wanted to romance Alistair? Or what if your Hawke wanted Sebastian?

Can't have everything. That's something a lot of people should learn.


Pretty much, and if they do wanna romance him play as a female


I wonder what you would have said if morrigan was a female only LI..

Would have been fine, because if I wanted to romance her I would make a female warden, not hard.

Exactly. I laugh at people who think their issues can just be projected onto the other side if the shoes on the other foot. They make the assumption that people take issue with a similar problem in the same way.

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lady_v23

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Jayne126 wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...
I wonder what you would have said if morrigan was a female only LI..

And these are cheap remarks.

Save them.


cheap remarks?  I think you got a little confused.

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Mr.House wrote...

Straight females got better treatment in DA2, why is no one complaining about that?


how pray tell did they get better treatment? and your personal opinion of the li's hardly counts. neither does a dlc companion if you ask me.

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I'm not talking about any one character's options. I'm talking about the player's options. In the case where romances are more restricted, one character might have less options than another. (ie gay characters, most likely) But the player is not that character, and the player can make another character who does have those options that were restricted to the previous character.

I suppose, but this still sounds primarily like the player can simply choose not to play a gay character in your argument.

Again, I think it would be different if equality were actually a real thing, but the player having a choice to simply not play gay is different (at least as I see it) than the player not being able to romance a specific character because they're playing gay (in the scenario where they still have equal choice).

I will concede that desires (in terms of players asking for one romance option to be made available to them) are typically self-insert; maybe that's all you were suggesting.

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Mr.House wrote...

Straight females got better treatment in DA2, why is no one complaining about that?


Than who?

What's there to complain about?

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

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Why did I come into this thread...just when I think this forum can't get worse..something like this has to happen...really, what is wrong with some of you people?


You know you love it.
Don't even lie.


Nah not anymore.

I feel like the oldman from Pawn Stars, Just angry wanting to face palm wondering what I did to deserve this, waiting for deaths sweet warm embrace.

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Mr.House wrote...

Straight females got better treatment in DA2, why is no one complaining about that?

How do you figure?

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Mr.House wrote...

Straight females got better treatment in DA2, why is no one complaining about that?


To be fair, they got Fenris, Anders and Sebastian. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. A veritable trio of self righteous angst.

Edited to add - agreed, numerically speaking but... dear gods the angst.

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Mr.House wrote...

Straight females got better treatment in DA2, why is no one complaining about that?


True. Straight guys got to pick between committing a fellony wiyth a 12 year old elf, or romance a pirate lady who had STD.

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AresKeith wrote...

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Seb's so boring and terrible that nope.

Also these games have protagonist voice acting. I'd LOVED to romance Garrus.

I'd be damned if I put up with Hale's voice assaulting my ears to do so though.


I can understand that, but we can't have everything nor should we

People actually romanced Sebastian? :blink:


True but when I'm finding chunks of the game unplayable because I can not tolerate the voice acting just makes me feel like I'm throwing money down the drain. And I'm EXTREMELY picky when it comes to female protagonist VAs. So yeah my problem but that's why I really want 4 shared LIs. It is not worth listening to a voice you dislike for 40+ hours because you want to do a hour long romance (if it's even that long).

Of course. :P

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AresKeith wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

I wonder what you would have said if morrigan was a female only LI..


The same thing I'm saying now


of course.


Think I'm lying?


:mellow: um... no?

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Edit: Double post.

Modifié par eluvianix, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:01 .


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sandalisthemaker wrote...
Don't hurt yourself thinking too hard, bud.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to put an end to my nasty habit of thinking so I can better mirror most of BSN. It is part of my privileged upbringing I suppose.

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Narrow Margin wrote...

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Not to put too fine a point on it, but... deal with it? Fenris doesn't like mages, Sebastian is straight. Fact. And I see both of those facts as equally important to the character. I think it's ironic that so many player-sexual defenders love to preach tolerance for other people's sexualities/worldviews, but then they expect all your companions to conform to your own sexuality/worldview...


Oh not at all, I'm all for playersexual and very opposed to them embracing someone with a violently conflicting worldview. I want the friendship and through this the romance options to focus on reactions to choices, not character creation.

I understand the sentiment, but what you're basically asking for is that all your companions judge you for what you do rather than who you are. That sets the "openminded-ness" bar pretty high, don't you think? I think people should react to your race, class, and sexuality, because they are an integral part of who you are.

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lady_v23 wrote...

:mellow: um... no?


Ok, I couldn't tell lol :P

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AresKeith wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

:mellow: um... no?


Ok, I couldn't tell lol :P


should have put a smiley face.

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Merrill, Isabela, Anders and Fenris could be banged by both genders, Seb could only be romanced by females. There's a preference, clearly no one gives a flying crap though.

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spirosz wrote...

So what are we really angry about here?


Power.


You know, I was thinking about racism and sexism today. Or, so-called racism and sexism. I was thinking about college organizations like the "Women's Society of Engineers" or the "Black Student Union."

Now what does this tell us? This tells us that these groups, who scream about segregation and integration, are not afraid, and indeed welcome segregating themselves from others.

So this made me wonder: if these people actually do not dislike segregation, and indeed prefer it enough to create their own organizations, then why do they argue against it? I came to the conclusion of power. They want to be in a position of power themselves--in reality they are perpetrating the same segregation that they fought against for so many years. The only difference is that they're on...the other side of the glass, as it were. They have the power (at least in their mind).

Power, my friend.

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10/10 thread.

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Mr.House wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

I wonder what you would have said if morrigan was a female only LI..


The same thing I'm saying now



I really wish Morrigan and Alistair had been bi. They were the plot important companions.

Kind of sucky the easily ignored companions were the bi ones =/

And they where both rogues <_<


Yeah that was...ugh.

lady_v23 wrote...

No it is he's fault for being so boring.  And for somehow making my femshep act like a hoe,

:lol: Im sorry, I just really hate jacob


XD

Mr.House wrote...

Straight females got better treatment in DA2, why is no one complaining about that?


...It's SEBASTIAN. How is that better treatment? He doesn't even put out!

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lady_v23 wrote...

cheap remarks?  I think you got a little confused.

"What Ares said"

"Hurr I wonder what you'd think if Morri would've been gay!!"

That's neither creative nor anything else. Try harder.

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Palidane wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but... deal with it? Fenris doesn't like mages, Sebastian is straight. Fact. And I see both of those facts as equally important to the character. I think it's ironic that so many player-sexual defenders love to preach tolerance for other people's sexualities/worldviews, but then they expect all your companions to conform to your own sexuality/worldview...


Oh not at all, I'm all for playersexual and very opposed to them embracing someone with a violently conflicting worldview. I want the friendship and through this the romance options to focus on reactions to choices, not character creation.

I understand the sentiment, but what you're basically asking for is that all your companions judge you for what you do rather than who you are. That sets the "openminded-ness" bar pretty high, don't you think? I think people should react to your race, class, and sexuality, because they are an integral part of who you are.


I agree with you, but I hope they don't judge me too harshly. My Inquisitor has some issues with rejection. 

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Mr.House wrote...

Merrill, Isabela, Anders and Fenris could be banged by both genders, Seb could only be romanced by females. There's a preference, clearly no one gives a flying crap though.


yes this one chaste romance in one singular dlc turns the preference towards women 

how the tides have turned 

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Palidane wrote...

Narrow Margin wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Not to put too fine a point on it, but... deal with it? Fenris doesn't like mages, Sebastian is straight. Fact. And I see both of those facts as equally important to the character. I think it's ironic that so many player-sexual defenders love to preach tolerance for other people's sexualities/worldviews, but then they expect all your companions to conform to your own sexuality/worldview...


Oh not at all, I'm all for playersexual and very opposed to them embracing someone with a violently conflicting worldview. I want the friendship and through this the romance options to focus on reactions to choices, not character creation.

I understand the sentiment, but what you're basically asking for is that all your companions judge you for what you do rather than who you are. That sets the "openminded-ness" bar pretty high, don't you think? I think people should react to your race, class, and sexuality, because they are an integral part of who you are.


I'm a moderate fan of romances. I'd like a little additional material for them, and a little variety in them, but I'd like most of the actual work on characterisation farmed out to the friendship part of the relationship so it's not locked out if you don't romance the character. This seems an efficient route without blowing a ton of resource on it.