Filament wrote...
That is pretty much it, yeah. It sounds kind of regressive, but I don't really think it is, in the context of a roleplaying game where you can choose to play a character wildly different from yourself.
And if that character wildly different from yourself happens to be gay, you get less choice.
If the character wildly different from yourself happens to be straight, you get more.
That seems an extremely lopsided argument to try to make when you have nothing to gain by playing something other than what you are (if we even accept that it's solely "self-insert" for a gay person to want to play a gay character and have access to the same breadth of content while doing so).
Filament wrote...
So you're saying it seems disingenuous to assert there is equality when gay characters have less options, even if the player has the option to play any kind of character? I've admitted that gay characters having less options is an implication here, but I'm trying to speak strictly from the POV of the player themselves, and the options they have. If what you say is an issue, I don't see it being about options so much as representation. Which can also be an issue, yes.
Sure, it's also about representation.
But I don't see any way for a gay person to play a gay character in your scenario where you couldn't just say "you don't have to play gay because you're gay: you have equal choices!"
It's an argument that fundamentally favors the straight character (and therefore the straight player, if we accept "self-insert" as a primary motivation), and tries to abstract the inequality with "gay people can get straight married" logic (it really does seem to fit, sorry). If you want the choices, don't play that way; if you choose to play that way, accept less.
Filament wrote...
That is also about right. Though you were right to say that a player could also choose to play as a gay man, while not being so themselves, and be limited in that character's options just as well, which they may also perceive as "unjust." It's not so much self-insert (though it often seems to be) as it is what we're talking about now, which is character options vs player options.
Yeah, I wanted to go back and modify "self-insert", because I also think it's legitimate for people to have primary characters (some people will always play a female dwarf or a male elf or whatever, and they're not necessarily playing their own gender, and a lot of their requests will be about stuff they'd be able to experience with the character they typically play).
Modifié par devSin, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:57 .
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