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[ScarMK]

daveliam wrote...

For......?

Opressing him, I guess?  I dunno.  There's nothing in there reportable.

[Rawgrim]

daveliam wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


You get more options as a bisexual, sure. But only if the characters are all bisexual as well.

I've always said that the most "fair" would be 1 straight, 1 gay, 1 bisexual of each gender.  I just don't think that it's likely for this game.  The hints from Bioware make it sound as if there will be about the same amout of LI's as DA2 (so 4 total) and the romances will be "nuanced" (not sure what that means yet).

No idea what they mean by "nuanced" either. I am sure they will tell us soon. I just want an equall number for all. But not everyone for everyone. If I decide to play a gay templar, or whatever, I want that playthrough to be different and have different options than if i play a straight fellow.

[Rawgrim]

eluvianix wrote...

daveliam wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

daveliam wrote...

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

daveliam wrote...
Yawn.  We've been through this before and you will never understand because you are always on the receiving end of the benefit.  You get more options so, of course, it's not a problem for you.  There's no purpose in continuing this conversation because you aren't open to hearing the other side of the  argument, which I tried very hard to do the other day.

I'm sorry but "you won't understand because you're one of the privileged" isn't an argument.

First realize that Bioware doesn't owe either of us anything. They don't owe anybody anything in the romance department. So there isn't anything wrong if Fanboy#1 can't bang Mercenary#1. This is the same with FemWarden and Alistair, MaleWarden and Morrigan, etc. Romances if included at all should be left to the discretion of the writers who shouldn't be concerned about some requirement to provide multiple options to everybody in order to satisfy those on the forums here who are downright obsessed with the romances. Notions of "fairness", political correctness and "inclusion" shouldn't factor into this.

Never said they owed us anything.  You are talking about what you think is the most fair, which coincidently gives you more options than others.  I'm simply pointing out that it seems convenient that this is the case.

I reported those two.

For......?

Responded to wrong post. Reported two trolls.

Disagreeing isn`t trolling.

[Former_Fiend]

I think today's society is too obsessed with definitions and labels. Gay, straight, bi. These ideas are inventions of the modern world's sexual politics, not ingrained laws of nature. Sexuality is much more fluid and complicated than three labels we slap on people or adopt to identify ourselves.

[andrew252]

Yep

[Steelcan]

I wonder what the glorious David7204 would say about this

[Inquisitor Recon]

Rawgrim wrote...
Disagreeing isn`t trolling.

Of course it is comrade. Look at all of that unchecked privilege. They're guilty by default.

[Orian Tabris]

Ryzaki wrote...

That's what happens when you accept more than one group.

If you have chocolate ice cream and vanilla and offer everyone some you don't get to complain about the people who have no issue eating both. Plus bisexual people will ALWAYS in any scenario end up with more options.

2/2/2  is the most even right?

Straight Male gets 2 females
Straight female gets 2 males
Bi female gets 2 females and 2 males
Bi male gets 2 males and 2 females
Gay male gets 2 males
Gay female gets 2 females

That's what happens when you're less picky. You get more options!

True. While you do get more options, it should not matter how even the romances are. As long as every straight male or female gets an even choice, it does not matter if one of them is not the preferred race, class or character.

Bisexuals should get last choice in who they can romance. The straight male and females are the ones who need a fair choice.

For me, I just think that it would be better if not every character could be romanced, no matter which race or gender you choose. Or else, there is no point in having different reactions from NPCs, based on your race. In fact, why would the NPCs even need to have different opinions? It helps with lore and immersion, having more than just bisexual companions, who don't rely on your actual character... the one they are supposed to fall in love with.

[sandalisthemaker]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
It's good then that Bioware doesn't share your opinion.

It's a shame whenever they share the opinions of a such an unskilled troll like yourself.

Just stating the facts.

Hopefully you'll learn to get over it.  For your own good, if nothing else.

[daveliam]

I think the whole thread (and circular argument) boils down to one point: Do you think equality in the number of LI's is more important than the character aspects that comes from having a pre-determined sexuality.

One side thinks it's more important that everyone has roughly equal options in LI's.
The other side thinks it weakens a character's development if their sexuality isn't pre-determined.

And never the twain shall meet......

[Hellion Rex]

Former_Fiend wrote...

I think today's society is too obsessed with definitions and labels. Gay, straight, bi. These ideas are inventions of the modern world's sexual politics, not ingrained laws of nature. Sexuality is much more fluid and complicated than three labels we slap on people or adopt to identify ourselves.

I agree. Being labeled, being able to put on a label on something, is in a way having power over said object or person.

[David7204]

Former_Fiend wrote...

I think today's society is too obsessed with definitions and labels. Gay, straight, bi. These ideas are inventions of the modern world's sexual politics, not ingrained laws of nature. Sexuality is much more fluid and complicated than three labels we slap on people or adopt to identify ourselves.

No, it really isn't.

[andrew252]

So where does shape shifting fit in?

[ScarMK]

Steelcan wrote...

I wonder what the glorious David7204 would say about this

David7204 wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

I think today's society is too obsessed with definitions and labels. Gay, straight, bi. These ideas are inventions of the modern world's sexual politics, not ingrained laws of nature. Sexuality is much more fluid and complicated than three labels we slap on people or adopt to identify ourselves.

No, it really isn't.

When we need him most...He will appear.

[Hellion Rex]

daveliam wrote...

I think the whole thread (and circular argument) boils down to one point: Do you think equality in the number of LI's is more important than the character aspects that comes from having a pre-determined sexuality.

One side thinks it's more important that everyone has roughly equal options in LI's.
The other side thinks it weakens a character's development if their sexuality isn't pre-determined.

And never the twain shall meet......

Perhaps not today...but someday I hope we can agree.

[Inquisitor Recon]

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Just stating the facts.

Hopefully you'll learn to get over it.  For your own good, if nothing else.

You seem to have a very difficult time differentiating between fact and opinion, you may want to get over that.

David7204 wrote...

And a new challenger emerges!

Modifié par Inquisitor Recon, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:50 .

[wolfhowwl]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Hellion Rex]

David7204 wrote...

Former_Fiend wrote...

I think today's society is too obsessed with definitions and labels. Gay, straight, bi. These ideas are inventions of the modern world's sexual politics, not ingrained laws of nature. Sexuality is much more fluid and complicated than three labels we slap on people or adopt to identify ourselves.

No, it really isn't.

How so?

[werewoof]

greengoron89 wrote...

tiktac wrote...

because works of fiction have no bearing on and are never affected by the society that creates them yeah???

Works of fiction are the the intellectual property of whoever created them. If an author/director/developer/etc. wants to feature gay and lesbian characters in their work, then that is their right. If not, then that is also their right.

Bioware has shown a willingness to listen to their fans and have made strides to cater to them in ways most other developers have not or will not. That's quite a shift in the winds as it is, yet you would not only ask but demand more.

The fact that you would make so many demands of the creator on how to create their work speaks volumes of how arrogant and entitled you are. It's a corner Bioware has painted themselves into even before the ME3 ending fiasco.

I'd repeat that line you love so much, but it's not necessary at this point.

you seem to be under the impression that my issue in this thread is with bioware. it's not. they've done a half decent job with dragon age. my issue is with people like you, dismissing real social issues because os some fool notion that anyone asking for equal treatment is taking advantage of the creators that already gave them a scrap. 

and with the video game industry at large, as well, but i've said my piece about that several times. 

Modifié par tiktac, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:51 .

[daveliam]

tiktac wrote...

you seem to be under the impression that my issue in this thread is with bioware. it's not. they've done a half decent job with dragon age. my issue is with people like you, dismissing real social issues because os some fool notion that anyone asking for equal treatment is taking advantage of the creators that already gave them a scrap. 

Ding, Ding, Ding!

This!  100% this!

Bioware has been absolutely wonderful in their shifting views on this and I have full faith in the DA team!

[andrew252]

Guys we may fight as long as we want but the really question we should all be asking our self's......

[Hellion Rex]

tiktac wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

tiktac wrote...

because works of fiction have no bearing on and are never affected by the society that creates them yeah???

Works of fiction are the the intellectual property of whoever created them. If an author/director/developer/etc. wants to feature gay and lesbian characters in their work, then that is their right. If not, then that is also their right.

Bioware has shown a willingness to listen to their fans and have made strides to cater to them in ways most other developers have not or will not. That's quite a shift in the winds as it is, yet you would not only ask but demand more.

The fact that you would make so many demands of the creator on how to create their work speaks volumes of how arrogant and entitled you are. It's a corner Bioware has painted themselves into even before the ME3 ending fiasco.

I'd repeat that line you love so much, but it's not necessary at this point.

you seem to be under the impression that my issue in this thread is with bioware. it's not. they've done a half decent job with dragon age. my issue is with people like you, dismissing real social issues because os some fool notion that anyone asking for equal treatment is taking advantage of the creators that already gave them a scrap. 

and with the video game industry at large, as well, but i've said my piece about that several times. 

Best summary I have seen all night.