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[David7204]

Because for the overwhelmingly vast majority of people out of puberty, it's not fluid? It's not complicated? They're either straight, and that's it, or gay, and that's it, or bisexual, or that's it?

Modifié par David7204, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:52 .

[Steelcan]

HOLY SH*T,

SPEAK OF THE DEVIL AN HE SHALL APPEAR

[sandalisthemaker]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Just stating the facts.

Hopefully you'll learn to get over it.  For your own good, if nothing else.

You seem to have a very difficult time differentiating between fact and opinion, you may want to get over that.

Bioware is all for fairness and inclusiveness. 
That is a fact.

[Ryzaki]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

That's what happens when you accept more than one group.

If you have chocolate ice cream and vanilla and offer everyone some you don't get to complain about the people who have no issue eating both. Plus bisexual people will ALWAYS in any scenario end up with more options.

2/2/2  is the most even right?

Straight Male gets 2 females
Straight female gets 2 males
Bi female gets 2 females and 2 males
Bi male gets 2 males and 2 females
Gay male gets 2 males
Gay female gets 2 females

That's what happens when you're less picky. You get more options!

True. While you do get more options, it should not matter how even the romances are. As long as every straight male or female gets an even choice, it does not matter if one of them is not the preferred race, class or character.

Bisexuals should get last choice in who they can romance. The straight male and females are the ones who need a fair choice.

For me, I just think that it would be better if not every character could be romanced, no matter which race or gender you choose. Or else, there is no point in having different reactions from NPCs, based on your race. In fact, why would the NPCs even need to have different opinions? It helps with lore and immersion, having more than just bisexual companions, who don't rely on your actual character... the one they are supposed to fall in love with.

*facepalms* Just the bolded I just...*sigh*

Welp the following after the bolded is fair enough. I disagree with it and want everyone to be romanced by any PC becase the PC can be so wildly different. As for falling in love with your character I'm not seeing how them being for both genders makes that suddenly impossible.

And the lore arguement is ....what?

[Rawgrim]

daveliam wrote...

tiktac wrote...

you seem to be under the impression that my issue in this thread is with bioware. it's not. they've done a half decent job with dragon age. my issue is with people like you, dismissing real social issues because os some fool notion that anyone asking for equal treatment is taking advantage of the creators that already gave them a scrap. 

Ding, Ding, Ding!

This!  100% this!

Bioware has been absolutely wonderful in their shifting views on this and I have full faith in the DA team!

Quite right. But the way they did it in DA2 affected the quality of the writing in a negative way. Its not unreasonable to ask that they keep equality, but execute it differently. For some reason, stating this point, is homophobic, oppressive, and biggoted.

[Ravensword]

greengoron89 wrote...

tiktac wrote...

because works of fiction have no bearing on and are never affected by the society that creates them yeah???

Works of fiction are the the intellectual property of whoever created them. If an author/director/developer/etc. wants to feature gay and lesbian characters in their work, then that is their right. If not, then that is also their right.

Bioware has shown a willingness to listen to their fans and have made strides to cater to them in ways most other developers have not or will not. That's quite a shift in the winds as it is, yet you would not only ask but demand more.

The fact that you would make so many demands of the creator on how to create their work speaks volumes of how arrogant and entitled you are. It's a corner Bioware has painted themselves into even before the ME3 ending fiasco.

I'd repeat that line you love so much, but it's not necessary at this point.

It does seem that BW's willingness so listen to its fans more than any other developer out there has attracted many an entitled fan, or brought out the entitled child out of existing fans. The only thing BW can do now is to wait for the paint to dry, and by that I mean that they should stop trying please everyone and let them do what they gotta do.

[AresKeith]

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Steelcan wrote...

HOLY SH*T,

SPEAK OF THE DEVIL AN HE SHALL APPEAR

lol

[Ryzaki]

MasterScribe wrote...

What we really need is a pansexual blob. It can pleasure everyone.

It can be the only LI too and there's a long romance about it. And you HAVE to romance it. No option.

[ObserverStatus]

MasterScribe wrote...
What we really need is a pansexual blob. It can pleasure everyone.

I can get behind that. SCP-999 for companion and LI y'all! Seriously though, the tickle monster is hella cute.

[Hellion Rex]

David7204 wrote...

Because for the overwhelmingly vast majority of people out of puberty, it's not fluid? It's not complicated? They're either straight, and that's it, or gay, and that's it, or bisexual, or that's it?

This is just MY experience, so I don't speak for all the masses. I am in my late 20s, and I have flipped from straight to gay to bi to gay again. I wasn't sure of my sexuality for quite some time. Not everyone can just decide if they are straight or gay. For some, it is a lot more confusing.

[andrew252]

So.....how was every ones day?

[Mr.House]

Bioware should just grab CID from Sr4, there. Everyone's happy.

[David7204]

eluvianix wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Because for the overwhelmingly vast majority of people out of puberty, it's not fluid? It's not complicated? They're either straight, and that's it, or gay, and that's it, or bisexual, or that's it?

This is just MY experience, so I don't speak for all the masses. I am in my late 20s, and I have flipped from straight to gay to bi to gay again. I wasn't sure of my sexuality for quite some time. Not everyone can just decide if they are straight or gay. For some, it is a lot more confusing.

For the overwhelming majority, it isn't.

[Hellion Rex]

andrew252 wrote...

So.....how was every ones day?

Well, you know what I have been doing for the past couple of hours...

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

MasterScribe wrote...

What we really need is a pansexual blob. It can pleasure everyone.

Fvck. Yes.

[Ryzaki]

Rawgrim wrote...

daveliam wrote...

tiktac wrote...

you seem to be under the impression that my issue in this thread is with bioware. it's not. they've done a half decent job with dragon age. my issue is with people like you, dismissing real social issues because os some fool notion that anyone asking for equal treatment is taking advantage of the creators that already gave them a scrap. 

Ding, Ding, Ding!

This!  100% this!

Bioware has been absolutely wonderful in their shifting views on this and I have full faith in the DA team!

Quite right. But the way they did it in DA2 affected the quality of the writing in a negative way. Its not unreasonable to ask that they keep equality, but execute it differently. For some reason, stating this point, is homophobic, oppressive, and biggoted.

You think DA2 would've been a much better written game if the LIs hadn't all been BI?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*rolls*

Just LMFAO

Romances aren't what made DA2 mediocre. It was the enviornments, story where your protagonist was a puppet on strings, railroading to the max, laughable plot developments. blatant LIES among other things,  Romances? No. They weren't even a spec on the eye of what DA2 a disappointment.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:59 .

[Hellion Rex]

David7204 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Because for the overwhelmingly vast majority of people out of puberty, it's not fluid? It's not complicated? They're either straight, and that's it, or gay, and that's it, or bisexual, or that's it?

This is just MY experience, so I don't speak for all the masses. I am in my late 20s, and I have flipped from straight to gay to bi to gay again. I wasn't sure of my sexuality for quite some time. Not everyone can just decide if they are straight or gay. For some, it is a lot more confusing.

For the overwhelming majority, it isn't.

And what exactly is your source for this overwhelming majority?

[werewoof]

Rawgrim wrote...

daveliam wrote...

tiktac wrote...

you seem to be under the impression that my issue in this thread is with bioware. it's not. they've done a half decent job with dragon age. my issue is with people like you, dismissing real social issues because os some fool notion that anyone asking for equal treatment is taking advantage of the creators that already gave them a scrap. 

Ding, Ding, Ding!

This!  100% this!

Bioware has been absolutely wonderful in their shifting views on this and I have full faith in the DA team!

Quite right. But the way they did it in DA2 affected the quality of the writing in a negative way. Its not unreasonable to ask that they keep equality, but execute it differently. For some reason, stating this point, is homophobic, oppressive, and biggoted.

yeah i'm by no means saying da2's handling of it was perfect. but da2 was also not...finished so i kind of try to let it go a little bit. 

ideally, i'd like a wide range of li's of varying sexualities and gender identities. but given budget limitations and time constraints, i think playersexual li's or 6 li's so everyone gets an equal number is the best way to go. thing is, it's not that we want queer romances to be the entire game or whatever, it's that we feel kinda ripped off when we get one designated LI for our character and that's it. and then told to be grateful we got anything at all while straight players get a wider range of li's. bit insulting if you ask me.

[Steelcan]

David is already going at it with his "argumentum ad populum"

[sandalisthemaker]

Mr.House wrote...

Bioware should just grab CID from Sr4, there. Everyone's happy.

Benjamin ****  **** King was the best, though. With male character of course.

[Hellion Rex]

CrustyBot wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

What we really need is a pansexual blob. It can pleasure everyone.

Fvck. Yes.

I'm blind!!!!!!!!!!!!:crying::crying:

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

Bioware should just grab CID from Sr4, there. Everyone's happy.

Eww no. I'd rather bang Miller than CID.

[andrew252]

You know maybe we should change the threads title....