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[Star fury]

Game companies generally think about their main audience - male gamers. So op is out of luck.

[Eragon-]

Blackrising wrote...

So we're back to discussing sexuality, huh?
Oh man.

The horses are going to curse people to hell and back 

Modifié par Eragon-, 07 septembre 2013 - 08:14 .

[Maria Caliban]

Blackrising wrote...

Reject me for what I do, not what I am.

Especially if 'what I do' is that cute redhead hanging out at the Keep.

[mupp3tz]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Reject me for what I do, not what I am.

Especially if 'what I do' is that cute redhead hanging out at the Keep.

That sounds more like 'respect me for who I do."

[Taleroth]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Reject me for what I do, not what I am.

Especially if 'what I do' is that cute redhead hanging out at the Keep.

The one that hears voices? What have I told you about crazy?

[aphelion4]

I'm all for playersexual romances. I loved both Alistair and Zevran, Anders and Fenris, and had 1 or 2 of those awesome dudes been locked out for me because I played a straight character, I think I would be very disappointed, so I can definitely sympathize with people who want bisexual/playersexual options so there's enough choice for everyone. It may not be realistic, but it's not like that's new to the series. :>

[Hellion Rex]

Angrywolves wrote...

Well if romances are so beloved, why do so few actually do them.
A player on another thread called the romance players "mancers".
I am a mancer and we are obviously a very vocal minority who don't agree on very much.
smiles.

This is not true. If that were even remotely true, why would so many of us be arguing about it here on BSN?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Game companies generally think about their main audience - male gamers. So op is out of luck.

So far, the DA series has given female PCs even more romance options than male PCs, because of Sebastian. (No, you can't have sex with him, but you can fall in love and get married.) So at the moment we're eight to seven in favour of the female PCs.

I sincerely doubt that the writers are going to suddenly start providing a disproportionate number of options for straight doods at this stage in the franchise because they know the female player base would go up there and set them on fire.

[Tarek]

yah

or just make them all male

problem solved (for me hehe)

[Secretlyapotato]

Tarek wrote...

yah

or just make them all male

problem solved (for me hehe)

I agree, men are much more attractive than women anyway. =D

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 07 septembre 2013 - 09:09 .

[Vapaa]

Romances are a small part of the game, and thus should have a limited budget; I say we take the DA2 route: the best options/cost solution

Neat, simple, not expensive

[Sejborg]

Blackrising wrote...

So we're back to discussing sexuality, huh?
Oh man.

I shall keep it to a minimum:

Reject me for what I do, not what I am.

What if you are what you do? Like Anders is a terrorist because that is how he acts. 

[Parmida]

Making romances playersexual is the best way imo.

Anyone is able to get the character they like without restrictions. Nobody gets more, better or worse romances. Everyone will have an equal number of LIs. It's win-win-win for everyone.

And of course it's much simpler and not expensive.

[Boombox]

I want options for everyone too and this is really hard to explain but I feel like this 'playersexual' thing takes more away from a character than it adds to it. I want characters to have a sexual identity not just go for whatever sex the player is..

As a gay male I was really proud that Bioware chose to include s/s romances in DA:O, and at the time I wanted to romance Alistair in DA:O but he wasn't into men, which is fine- (apparently some guys aren't into that. ) .

If he was 'playersexual' I wouldn't have been able to take him seriously in the end. I feel like sexuality is a part of who you are and I'd rather miss out on my preferable romance option than everyone be 'playersexual'. It just seems really silly to me.

[Parmida]

@Boombox
It's very simple, don't romance that particular person you can't take seriously. Other people will do because they like the romance with that character and it feels right to them.

You're asking to lock something up because you don't like it. Well, others do.

Modifié par Parmida, 07 septembre 2013 - 10:01 .

[zMataxa]

Parmida wrote...

Making romances playersexual is the best way imo.

Anyone is able to get the character they like without restrictions. Nobody gets more, better or worse romances. Everyone will have an equal number of LIs. It's win-win-win for everyone.

And of course it's much simpler and not expensive.

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Lots of very good nutshell summaries on here.
Liked this one best.
+100

[zMataxa]

Playersexual is simply "good economics" for resource allocation.
As Parmidia implied - you can use your own mental powers to leave romanaces open and closed as you see fit.
To expect a dev to write the story and characters for just your preference is gonna change Bioware's audience.
The price of greater audience = playersexual.
To those who 0:0 - hey guess what - it takes a moment to ignore that option.
Fact is MANY of us buy the game for the romance options and add to the pool of sales that brings you this game.

[devSin]

I'm personally hoping for only four (two male, two female) with no gender checks.

Six seems like overkill to me, for some reason.

In any event, I wouldn't worry about anybody not having access to the same amount of choice that everybody else gets.

[daveliam]

devSin wrote...

I'm personally hoping for only four (two male, two female) with no gender checks.

Six seems like overkill to me, for some reason.

In any event, I wouldn't worry about anybody not having access to the same amount of choice that everybody else gets.

Agreed.  I'm expecting there to be a very similar set of options from DA2.  I think the only change will be that no LI's will flirt with the PC without hitting a heart first (in response to straight guy "no ******" panic").  I'm expecting 2 male, 2 female and all playersexual.  It's the easiest to implement and gives everyone equal access to content. 

[DarthSideus2]

I only play as a straight male PC. My preference would be the ME3 style romance (imagine that), but one option I really liked was the girl I couldn't get. Treynor had a lot of attractive qualities about her, but when it got down to it, she only liked women, but was still cool about the flirting and it didn't get weird. "Wait til I tell my friends I shot you down and beat you at chess" is one of the better "romance" experience I have had with a Bioware game. My point being that we can't and probably shouldn't "have it all" where everyone is bi and you just pick who you want. As long as I am not missing out on some special piece of equipment for romancing character X, then I don't want to romance everyone. I do agree that a somewhat equal dispersion of LI's should be given to different genders and sexualities, but it may just be impractical without having non-companion LI's.

[Xenomorphine]

Wow... Until now, I never knew how or why there could possibly be any objection to an RPG allowing you to romance whoever you wanted.

I think it needs to be understoo that the fantasy genre (especially in role-playing) is escapist to the hilt - and that means the continuity, itself, changes, depending on individual choices.

Hypothetically, if the first game had allowed a guy to get involved with Alistair, as an option, would that mean he's canonically gay or bisexual? Well, no... No, it would not. If you played it with a female character and romanced this hypothetical version of Alistair, would it be at the back of your head? This completely different, totally ficitonal, irrelevant version of the story, which has nothing to do with that play-through? I'd hope not!

All 'playersexuality' does is allow for options.  The only time a character's sexuality becomes defined is if that character initiates flirtation outside of actual dialogue choices. Party banter, for instance or a comment where they interpret something a certain way with a barmaid/whatever, in the background fo a conversation which takes place in every single possible play-through. If that never occurs, then it's largely irrelevant.

Aside from those eventualities, those characters can be imagined as straight, homosexual or bisexual. Unless that aspect of their history somehow comes into play (like with Cortez specieically saying he had a husband, as opposed to 'spouse'), it's utterly irrelevant.

And let's not forget that characters like Ashley Williams were originally planned to be romancable by female Shepards. The cinematics and dialogue for it got removed from the end product. Did that affect her personality, though? No... No, it did not. The only thing which happened in the actual game was that romancing her as a female Shepard was impossible. If it had still been possible, it wouldn't have made the blindest bit of difference to how she spoke or acted and, in fact, you would be totally at liberty to imagine Ashley was straight, bisexual, homosexual or even pansexual (which, technically, applies to all those Shepards who persued interspecies relationships, like Liara and Garrus).

Hell, Morrigan can be romanced by a psychotic dwarf with a deformed face like someone's who's been hit by a plague-ridden tree... I doubt anyone here would be able to take that seriously as their personal canon, but it's still possible to make happen in the character creation thing. It doesn't make Morrigan any less who she is (although, probably makes for some bizarre/amusing cinematics). Can a woman romance her, though? Nope... Yet, she was pretty much the only companion with a compatible personality to my evil-inclined female mage. Zevran, Leliana, Alistair... None of their dyanmics matched. My Warden didn't really like them, because they were at odds on certain issues.

So, I say go down the route of 'The Sims'. Allow any character to be romanced, regardless of gender. Individual players can still imagine Character X or Y are straight/gay/whatever. Just like many refuse to entertain the notion that Morrigan can be friendly if you go through the right options and earn her respect. If you don't go down that road, then pretend it doesn't exist. Easy.

What I have a problem is the people who think you have no reason to feel disappointed by locked-out romance options. For instance, I vastly prefer female Shepard's voice to her male counterpart, so, I always play her. But Miranda and Ashley were the only characters with personialities my one would have considered along those lines and those were cut off. When I hear some people go, "So what? Go with Garrus, Liara or Kelly..." Well, my Shepard never trusted Liara (much less ever felt attracted to her) and Kelly was kind of... Background filler, while Garrus was always seen as a friend, not love interest. Miranda and Ashley had similar ruthless, pragmatic personalities, however. That's who I could see my Shepard with.

Sex scene animations have nothing to do with it. I honestly don't care about them. Personality compatibility does, however, have relevance for me. That's what opens up the interesting dialogue choices and emotional reactions, not whether a couple have shared a bed together.

And I'd imagine those same arguments could apply if heterosexual characters get along amazingly well with a character who only goes for their own gender... How much frustration would there have been in the fandom if the popular heterosexual romance options, like Morrigan, Miranda, Alistair, Garrus, etcetera, had been written as only homosexual? Or, say, were only attrracted to elves and not humans? Similar principle here.

Modifié par Xenomorphine, 07 septembre 2013 - 10:58 .

[devSin]

Xenomorphine wrote...

And let's not forget that characters like Ashley Williams were originally planned to be romancable by female Shepards.

Actually, if you went to PAX, you apparently got to hear Patrick explain how this wasn't the case (as they've said in the past, it was easier to have both Shepards record all the dialogue back then, so both actors did every single line, even the only-male or only-female ones).

You also got to hear him say that Kaidan was queer enough to be bisexual, but Ashley wasn't. :/

Modifié par devSin, 07 septembre 2013 - 11:05 .