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[snootz]

Seriously i found it so hard to side with mages in DA2 because it felt like almost every single one went crazy..

Other then Bethany and The guy involved with Grace..

Orisino turned to blood magic and was sending books on the subject to the guy responsible for killing your mum!!

Grace despite ME saving her decided she needed to kill me..?? seriously what is up with that??

Two out of three of the mages you are asked to hunt down are BAT**** crazy..

Your two main mages are crazy/deluded.. 

One is a borderline terrorist.. who just goes to show WHY templars are needed

The other is consorting with Demons/Blood magic and thinks it's normal

So can we tone down the crazy in DAI? or do you think they will be represented as lunatics ready to turn to blood magic at any minute

[GDog89]

I personally Believe Inquisition is a Second Chance for Mages to really prove that they too can be a Hero and are not weak minded.

Instead of the typicial life too hard Im gonna whine or use blood magic

[PeterBazooka]

Vivienne seems like a step in the right direction of having a mage who's not bat**** crazy.

[Forst1999]

They stated that they deliberatedly presented templars and mages at their worst in II. So I guess your request will be fullfilled.
Though I'd also like to mention that mages who aren't unusual in any form are unlikely to be seen outside the circle. So it made sense we met as many crazy ones as more-or-less normal ones. With the not-crazy mages outside of the circles now, it probably will get better.

[Vit246]

I'm sure they learned their lesson. Developers admit DA2 was extremely skewed. Hopefully they'll stop taking it personally that plenty people had sided with mages in DAO and then rather did it again in DA2.

[leaguer of one]

DA2 was about showing the worst of both sides. It was never one side that was good or bad nor are the mages and templars in da2 an example of all mages and templars.

[Ieldra]

[prayer wheel mode]
Blood magic isn't evil. Blood magic as such isn't a problem.
[/prayer wheel mode]

Apart from that, yeah, I'd like fewer insane mages. Grace was particularly bad. It looked as if the scene designers made her turn on you just because they thought there must be a fight. Orsino turning into a Harvester if you sided with the mages made no sense at all.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Not just the Mages my good man. The Templars were bat s**t crazy too. They abused their power and the Mages under their so called protection. They would rape them and take advantage of the tranquils submissive nature >...Overall both sides suck ass! I don't want to have to pick a side in Inquisition, they can both burn for all I care >

[Taleroth]

leaguer of one wrote...

 It was never one side that was good or bad

Yeah, instead DA2 was that both sides are completely bad. Because they hyperfocused the worst.

[Ieldra]

Vit246 wrote...
I'm sure they learned their lesson. Developers admit DA2 was extremely skewed. Hopefully they'll stop taking it personally that plenty people had sided with mages in DAO and then rather did it again in DA2.

If they want people to side with the templars, they shouldn't make the templars call for Annulment and kill all mages - guilty and innocent alike. As I see it, that fundamental injustice rather than general sympathy with mages was responsible for fewer people siding with the templars. I found myself unable to side with the templars in the endgame even if the rest of the game was completely pro-Templar. 

And in DAO, siding with the mages was objectively better since you could save the Circle. I don't know what they expected. For me it was natural to try and save the CIrcle in DAO.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:50 .

[leaguer of one]

Taleroth wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

 It was never one side that was good or bad

Yeah, instead DA2 was that both sides are completely bad. Because they hyperfocused the worst.

They did not just focus on the worst. There many good templars and mages in DA2. It just that the event on hand became more and more horrible.

[Taleroth]

leaguer of one wrote...

There many good templars and mages in DA2.

There was one good Templar in DA2. And every mage was an abomination.

Things got progressively more horrible because the only people who weren't terrible were a mix between idiots that attacked Hawke for stupid reasons and secret abominations.

Modifié par Taleroth, 07 septembre 2013 - 04:59 .

[snootz]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Not just the Mages my good man. The Templars were bat s**t crazy too. They abused their power and the Mages under their so called protection. They would rape them and take advantage of the tranquils submissive nature >...Overall both sides suck ass! I don't want to have to pick a side in Inquisition, they can both burn for all I care >

 

Well Bethany says (if she is in the Circle) she finds most of the templars quite polite and that they weren't so bad..

I thought the Templars didn't seem so crazy in comparison.. only one was truly evil/mad.. that guy who wanted to make all mage tranquil and rape them.. 

Meridith was on the extreme side but the idols influence clearly had a big affect there..

I cant think of any other "bad" ones of the top of my head.. even Cullen saves the innocent mages after the annulement/fight with Meridith

[Potato Cat]

In those mages defence, I'm 99% sure Kirkwall was built on a Hellmouth.

[Adanu]

snootz wrote...

Seriously i found it so hard to side with mages in DA2 because it felt like almost every single one went crazy..

Other then Bethany and The guy involved with Grace..

Not all were crazy, but a good portion, true enough.

Orisino turned to blood magic and was sending books on the subject to the guy responsible for killing your mum!!.

He was trying to learn about the subject from him, but never expected him to actually be murdering people. His own bias towards mages gave him a sort of blind spot with him, but he does say that he thought the sbject too dangerous for himself to use.

That is, until you pushed him to the point that he felt he had no choice.

Grace despite ME saving her decided she needed to kill me..?? seriously what is up with that??.

After being saved, she turned bitter for the loss of her lover and spent the rest of her years nursing a grudge that turned into hatred. She blames you for her loss of freedom and killing her love.

Two out of three of the mages you are asked to hunt down are BAT**** crazy...

Huon was drunk with power from blood magic, and that broke his sanity when he finally got freedom with it.

Evelina blamed the Templars and the city, then you walk in, 'spoiled' personified in her eyes. She takes out all her anger on you.

Your two main mages are crazy/deluded.. 

One is a borderline terrorist.. who just goes to show WHY templars are needed

The other is consorting with Demons/Blood magic and thinks it's normal.

Anders was in the circle since he was a little boy, and escaped seven times, one of which he was isolated for a year from.

Then he gets a break in Awakening, and eventually finds a spirit that pushed him just enough to want justice for all the wrongs the circle has done him in his eyes. His hatred of the circle warps justice and he becomes a heavy activist at war with the templars. Totally understandable why he thinks the system needs a prod, and he had a perfect opportunity for it.

Merrill never thought blood magic was 'normal'. She thought people were being closed minded about it (which is true in a way. It's a taboo because of the potential use for mind control, not because it's evil). She has  very different ideas on the Fade compared to the Chantry that actually make a lot more sense considering Anders, and recognizes what she's doing is dangerous..

[Iakus]

if they deliberately set outtot portray both sides at their worst, they certainly succeeded.

My own personal options would have been to either:

1) Wall off the Gallows from the rest of the city
2) Take the gang on an extended vacation to Starkhaven
or
3) Fortify the Amell manor and don't leave for several weeks while the two sides kill each other

Overall, felt little compunction about helping either side, save to finish the game. Ultimately side with mages more often than not simply to save Bethany from being Anulled

Modifié par iakus, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:08 .

[In Exile]

iakus wrote...

if they deliberately set outtot portray both sides at their worst, they certainly succeeded.

My own personal options would have been to either:

1) Wall off the Gallows from the rest of the city
2) Take the gang on an extended vacation to Starkhaven
or
3) Fortify the Amell manor and don't leave for several weeks while the two sides kill each other

Overall, felt little compunction about helping either side, save to finish the game. Ultimately side with mages more often than not simply to save Bethany from being Anulled

To be fair, Meredith does say that not picking a side makes you her enemy. She's looney tunes like that. 

[leaguer of one]

Taleroth wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

There many good templars and mages in DA2.

There was one good Templar in DA2. And every mage was an abomination.

Things got progressively more horrible because the only people who weren't terrible were a mix between idiots that attacked Hawke for stupid reasons and secret abominations.

So the recrute you save from the blood mages and the templars that sided with the mages don't count as good templars? And not that many mages were abominations.

And things became worse because of fear and paranoia.

[sandalisthemaker]

Vivienne.   
That is all.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[Vit246]

OP, blame the writing for making mages go randomly crazy.

The guy involved with Grace, Decimus, was overreactive and presumptuous.

Orsino just so happens to know blood magic that apparently turns you into a harvester from the corpses conveniently lying around. Very convenient. And Orsino just so happens to be associated with Quentin even though its contrived, makes no sense, out of context, and serves only to inflame and prejudice Hawke with guilty by association. All we have is a stupid letter.

Grace made no sense at all. Even when you help her escape and she still gets caught, she blames you for everything.

Two of the three mages were living normal peaceful lives before arguably being driven insane by their captivity under the Templars. Huon was torn away from his wife, and Evelina's efforts to help her children were destroyed when they decided to lock her up and ignore the children.

Anders arguably goes to show why the Templars and the Chantry suck at their jobs. He's a result of the system under the Templars/Chantry. They turned him into the enemy that they fight against.

Merrill never uses blood magic to sacrifice people or summons demons. She's not that kind of mage. And she only ever merely talks to a demon perhaps 2 or 3 times while its perfectly imprisoned and cut off from the Fade and which only powerful magic could free it.

[Forst1999]

Taleroth wrote...
There was one good Templar in DA2. And every mage was an abomination.

Things got progressively more horrible because the only people who weren't terrible were a mix between idiots that attacked Hawke for stupid reasons and secret abominations.

Good templars: Thrask tried to get everyone out alive, Emeric shows no weird tendendies, Keran seems alright, Wesley was strict, but not unreasonable and Cullen came around in the very end (more evident during the templar ending).
Mages that don't become abominations, power-hungry jerks or mass murderers: Bethany, Alain, Ella, Feynriel, Emile de Launcet, Terrie, Solivitus, Tobrius and Merrill.
We have good people on either side, but the crazy ones have a habit of playing a bigger role, because they cause the problems you have to solve.

[PinkShoes]

No one was represented well in DA2.

[leaguer of one]

Vit246 wrote...

OP, blame the writing for making mages go randomly crazy.

The guy involved with Grace, Decimus, was overreactive and presumptuous.

Orsino just so happens to know blood magic that apparently turns you into a harvester from the corpses conveniently lying around. Very convenient. And Orsino just so happens to be associated with Quentin even though its contrived, makes no sense, out of context, and serves only to inflame and prejudice Hawke with guilty by association. All we have is a stupid letter.

Grace made no sense at all. Even when you help her escape and she still gets caught, she blames you for everything.

Two of the three mages were living normal peaceful lives before arguably being driven insane by their captivity under the Templars. Huon was torn away from his wife, and Evelina's efforts to help her children were destroyed when they decided to lock her up and ignore the children.

Anders arguably goes to show why the Templars and the Chantry suck at their jobs. He's a result of the system under the Templars/Chantry. They turned him into the enemy that they fight against.

Merrill never uses blood magic to sacrifice people or summons demons. She's not that kind of mage. And she only ever merely talks to a demon perhaps 2 or 3 times while its perfectly imprisoned and cut off from the Fade and which only powerful magic could free it.

DA2 was about showing the worst of both sides. It was never one side that was good or bad nor are the mages and templars in da2 an example of all mages and templars.

[leaguer of one]

PinkShoes wrote...

No one was represented well in DA2.

DA2 was about showing the worst of both sides. It was never one side that was good or bad nor are the mages and templars in da2 an example of all mages and templars.

[Taleroth]

leaguer of one wrote...

So the recrute you save from the blood mages and the templars that sided with the mages don't count as good templars?

When they resort to kidnapping and attempted murder on people who've been helping them all along, not so much.

Forst1999 wrote...

Good templars: Thrask tried to get everyone out alive, Emeric shows no weird tendendies, Keran seems alright, Wesley was strict, but not unreasonable and Cullen came around in the very end (more evident during the templar ending).

Thrask and Keran were good. Wesley and Emeric are total unknowns. And Cullen is wholly culpable in Meredith's actions.

So two guys out of the entire city. Not particularly sympathetic.

Modifié par Taleroth, 07 septembre 2013 - 05:36 .