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[NeonFlux117]

Her potential is incredible and she has a very high ceiling, perhaps higher than Shepard VG or Adept. If you take her to the Shadow broker DLC, Shadowbroker say's her body will net almost as much gain as Shepard's.

It is stated that Biotic Shepard is the most powerful human biotic.

However that was ME1 and before the discovery of Subject Zero.


Plus Jacks way, way Sexy.

My broshep VG always romance Jack. The ultimate Biotic Couple.

[Han Shot First]

Over 9000.

But not strong enough to bring down a Reaper single-handed.

[NeonFlux117]

StreetMagic wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Plus Jacks way, way Sexy.

My broshep VG always romance Jack. The ultimate Biotic Couple.

Good man.

Yeah, forgot about the Shadow Broker line. That's cool. Not sure who was buying them though - The Collectors? The Purgatory Warden roughly equates their value too.

The Reapers Via the Collectors. 

They wanted the most elite humans for 'genetic maleabiltiy' and too put into their human proto reaper. I mean, this isn't stated by the Collectors and Harby, but it's pretty obvious. 

I've always thought the Shadow Broker may have been indoctrinated. Or he was just all about dem Benjamin's. 

[Nitrocuban]

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

[DeathScepter]

All of the Cerberus Training(i know it is unethical) she had, I am not surprised that she is a Top Tier on Par with Matairch Asari, Biotic.

Miranda is quite strong but not as strong as Jack.

[The Night Mammoth]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

You mean in lore or in gameplay? Because it lore, no, half the point of Jack as a character is that she's a super powerful biotic for a human.

[Br3admax]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

Of course Miranda is stronger. Way stronger. Tons stronger. Why don't you use her to hold up the bubble instead?

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

You mean in lore or in gameplay? Because it lore, no, half the point of Jack as a character is that she's a super powerful biotic for a human.

Jack is a super powerful biotic for anyone. Her asset reads that she's supposed to be the most talented biotic of her time.

[o Ventus]

Nitrocuban wrote...

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

No. Not in the lore, anyway. Jack is easily the most powerful human biotic in the series (in terms of raw strength).

All Miranda says about her own abilities is that they are very advanced... For a human. She knows she's powerful, but not quite the best.

If I had to rate the biotic squadmates in order, it would probably go:

1. Jack/Samara/Morinth (Jack has more power, but Samara has more control and experience. Morinth gets stronger with each kill)
2. Liara (Though it's never explained or justified as to WHY she's so biotically capable)
3. Wrex. Krogan Battlemasters are noted to be incredibly powerful biotics.
4. Miranda. She beats out the other humans (besides Jack), but a number of the aliens are simply better biotics.
5. Kaidan
6. Jacob
7. Thane (He's more of a weapon specialist and a hand-to-hand specialist than he appears to be with his biotics)

[Br3admax]

Kaiden is stated to be pretty powerful compared to most human biotics, since he uses an L2. If anything, I would say that he is just as powerful as Miranda. Unless you mean by natural ability, because then I would say Miranda is stronger due her design.

[o Ventus]

Br3ad wrote...

Kaiden is stated to be pretty powerful compared to most human biotics, since he uses an L2. If anything, I would say that he is just as powerful as Miranda. Unless you mean by natural ability, because then I would say Miranda is stronger due her design.

L2s in general are supposed to be above-average. It would be a bit odd if Miranda (who was literally engineered to be "perfect") was less capable than a run-of-the-mill soldier.

I guess if it were put to a 1-10 scale, it would go

Kaidan: 7/10
Miranda: 8/10

[o Ventus]

StreetMagic wrote...

Kaidan and Miranda are really similar, I think (or maybe it's just that they're both Sentinels). But I think he's more on the tank/defender end and she the caster. Gameplay wise, he's one of the most survivable characters.

Also this. Kaidan is a very capable tank (probably in 1 more so than 3), while Miranda is a glass cannon (though the "glass" can be removed with proper squad tweaking).

Sucks that the ME2 characters + Wrex's talent points don't fill out in ME3. They all run at sub-optimal value. A shame really, because they are almost all significantly improved over their ME2 incarnations.

[Han Shot First]

o Ventus wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

No. Not in the lore, anyway. Jack is easily the most powerful human biotic in the series (in terms of raw strength).

All Miranda says about her own abilities is that they are very advanced... For a human. She knows she's powerful, but not quite the best.

If I had to rate the biotic squadmates in order, it would probably go:

1. Jack/Samara/Morinth (Jack has more power, but Samara has more control and experience. Morinth gets stronger with each kill)
2. Liara (Though it's never explained or justified as to WHY she's so biotically capable)
3. Wrex. Krogan Battlemasters are noted to be incredibly powerful biotics.
4. Miranda. She beats out the other humans (besides Jack), but a number of the aliens are simply better biotics.
5. Kaidan
6. Jacob
7. Thane (He's more of a weapon specialist and a hand-to-hand specialist than he appears to be with his biotics)

That would be my ranking as well, though perhaps I'd give Samara and Morinth a slight edge over Jack.

Regarding Liara, I chalk up her biotic aptitude to good genetics. Benezia was supposed to be a big deal, and Aethyta was a powerful biotic as well. While Liara technically didn't inherit any genes from Aethyta, some of Aethyta's genetic code would have functioned as a 'map' to randomize some of Liara's genetic sequences. So Liara likely inherited some copied genetic traits that related to biotic ability from Aethyta in addition to ones that were directly passed on from Benezia.

[David7204]

Do people in real life need a reason to be good at something aside from practice?

No. They don't. That's just silly. Some people are good at certain things, and that's just the end of it.

Modifié par David7204, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:02 .

[SNascimento]

StreetMagic wrote...

Kaidan and Miranda are really similar, I think (or maybe it's just that they're both Sentinels). But I think he's more on the tank/defender end and she the caster. Gameplay wise, he's one of the most survivable characters.

The fact Miranda was engineered gives her the edge, not to mention she had access to pretty much everything, even before joying Cerberus. 

Also, I never saw Kaidan as a tank, in ME1 he certainly wasn't. 

Anyway, biotic power is only one part of what make a chracter effective in the battlefield. Jack has a lot of raw power, but others things might bottleneck her overall ability. 

Also, no way she should be able to destroy a reaper single-handed. No ****ing way. No one should.

Modifié par SNascimento, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:03 .

[Br3admax]

David7204 wrote...

Do people in real life need a reason to be good at something aside from practice?

No. They don't. That's just silly. Some people are good at certain things, and that's just the end of it.

Everything needs an explantion. There is nothing IRL that is just 'cause. 

I'm going to say genetics. 

[David7204]

That depends on what you mean by 'need.' We certainly don't 'need' an explanation for the story to be good. It's not as if Mass Effect is badly written because it's not 'explained' why Liara is a good biotic, as Ventus implied. That's very silly.

Modifié par David7204, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:07 .

[SNascimento]

Han Shot First wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Nitrocuban wrote...

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

No. Not in the lore, anyway. Jack is easily the most powerful human biotic in the series (in terms of raw strength).

All Miranda says about her own abilities is that they are very advanced... For a human. She knows she's powerful, but not quite the best.

If I had to rate the biotic squadmates in order, it would probably go:

1. Jack/Samara/Morinth (Jack has more power, but Samara has more control and experience. Morinth gets stronger with each kill)
2. Liara (Though it's never explained or justified as to WHY she's so biotically capable)
3. Wrex. Krogan Battlemasters are noted to be incredibly powerful biotics.
4. Miranda. She beats out the other humans (besides Jack), but a number of the aliens are simply better biotics.
5. Kaidan
6. Jacob
7. Thane (He's more of a weapon specialist and a hand-to-hand specialist than he appears to be with his biotics)

That would be my ranking as well, though perhaps I'd give Samara and Morinth a slight edge over Jack.

Regarding Liara, I chalk up her biotic aptitude to good genetics. Benezia was supposed to be a big deal, and Aethyta was a powerful biotic as well. While Liara technically didn't inherit any genes from Aethyta, some of Aethyta's genetic code would have functioned as a 'map' to randomize some of Liara's genetic sequences. So Liara likely inherited some copied genetic traits that related to biotic ability from Aethyta in addition to ones that were directly passed on from Benezia.

Yeah, Samara is probably the most deadly biotic users we know of. I'm also not so sure about Wrex's power. I remember reading Krogan Battlemasters were powerful individuals, but nothing about them being more powerful than humans or similar. 

And the problem with Liara is not much her power but her caracter's progression. Going from a naive archeologist to a super information broker was terrible. And I thought Asari's biotics grow stronger with their age, and Liara is very young for their standards (which make her evolution ever worse). 

[David7204]

Okay, that is complete nonsense. How many countless stories have had a character start out knowing nothing about combat and end up as a master? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? It's a perfectly reasonable trope, and deluding yourself that Mass Effect is different out of your dislike for Liara is incredibly foolish.

Modifié par David7204, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:12 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Isnt Miranda the stronger biotic?

I'm sure all the Cerberus scientists torturing children will be glad that the best biotic they can come up with is beaten by a random manager... although that would be consistent with Cerberus screwing up everything.

[SNascimento]

David7204 wrote...

Okay, that is complete nonsense. How many countless stories have had a character start out knowing nothing about combat and end up as a master? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands? It's a perfectly reasonable trope, and deluding yourself that Mass Effect is different out of your dislike for Liara is incredibly foolish.

So, I pointing out that Liara character progression's was bad is me not liking the character? I don't blame a chracter for her being shoehorned into my story in ME3, if anyone I blame the developers. But her terrible chracter progression is something that I noted back in ME2.

You can pick any other ME1 squadmate and their role in ME2 is obvious. Tali, Garrus, Wrex. All of them were doing things you expect them to do. Now how many people by the end of ME1 though Liara would be a spectrle-level-figher and a shadow-broker level information broker? I'd say not very many.