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[David7204]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Uh, no. It's not 'headcannon.' It's deductive reasoning that simply happens to concern a problem within fiction instead of a problem in real life. The fact that this is fiction is entirely irrelavent at the moment. Do you have an alternative solution for how Liara became a skilled warrior? 

One, she isn't a skilled warrior.  Two, I'll use your reasoning and say that a Pyjak from that planet where the orb was dropped, taught her how to use her Biotics more efficiently because of my deductive reasoning, right?  3, Headcannon. 

Honest question spiosz. Do you just not understand what deductive reasoning is, or is this nonsense because you know you're wrong and that my explanation is solid and you have nothing better to say or argue?

Really, this is just silly garbage and you know it. Is this the best you can do?

Modifié par David7204, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:45 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

If anyone has an actual explanation other than the one I proposed for how Liara became a skilled warrior instead of this petty and trivial nonsense, let me hear me it.

I can assure everyone here deductive reasoning is not 'headcanon.'

Barquiel just did.

[AresKeith]

Barquiel wrote...

Liara traveled the Terminus systems and the Attican Traverse for decades...alone. With her interests, it only makes sense she trained her own natural abilities for protection. Story-wise, Liara is nowhere near as powerful as Samara or Morinth, but she had to deal with pirates, slavers and ferocious animals before people like Kaidan were even born (as she tells you in ME1).

Barquiel: 1

David : -10 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

David7204 wrote...

If anyone has an actual explanation other than the one I proposed for how Liara became a skilled warrior instead of this petty and trivial nonsense, let me hear me it.

I can assure everyone here deductive reasoning is not 'headcanon.'

Wrex is a warrior, Garrus, Shepard, Grunt, and god tier Javik are warriors.

Liara is not a warrior Davey.

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Uh, no. It's not 'headcannon.' It's deductive reasoning that simply happens to concern a problem within fiction instead of a problem in real life. The fact that this is fiction is entirely irrelavent at the moment. Do you have an alternative solution for how Liara became a skilled warrior? 

One, she isn't a skilled warrior.  Two, I'll use your reasoning and say that a Pyjak from that planet where the orb was dropped, taught her how to use her Biotics more efficiently because of my deductive reasoning, right?  3, Headcannon. 

Honest question spiosz. Do you just not understand what deductive reasoning is, or is this nonsense because you know you're wrong and that my explanation is solid and you have nothing better to say or argue?

Cause - Pyjak - Effect Liara becoming better.  

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

If anyone has an actual explanation other than the one I proposed for how Liara became a skilled warrior instead of this petty and trivial nonsense, let me hear me it.

I can assure everyone here deductive reasoning is not 'headcanon.'

Barquiel just did.

Barquiel still has me blocked

[wolfhowwl]

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

It's simply the most obvious and plausible answer to a problem. 

The simple answer is what you just stated - headcannon.  

Uh, no. It's not 'headcannon.' It's deductive reasoning that simply happens to concern a problem within fiction instead of a problem in real life. The fact that this is fiction is entirely irrelavent at the moment. Do you have an alternative solution for how Liara became a skilled warrior? By all means, let me hear it.

Benezia is a powerful biotic so it is not surprising that her daughter is as well.

Liara is the daughter of a wealthy and powerful politician so she would have access to training. Training that anyone with a brain would take advantage of if you were going to archeological digs in a dangerous area.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:47 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

If anyone has an actual explanation other than the one I proposed for how Liara became a skilled warrior instead of this petty and trivial nonsense, let me hear me it.

I can assure everyone here deductive reasoning is not 'headcanon.'

It's not supported by the game.

The only reason your explanation is any good is because you said it.

The only reason you're not accepting what other people are saying is because you don't like it.

And I'm the "deluded" one.

So yeah, your values are meaningless. Unless they're intended to cause humor, Mister People-like-me-are-responsible-for-all-that-is-good-on-this-earth.

[SNascimento]

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara traveled the Terminus systems and the Attican Traverse for decades...alone. With her interests, it only makes sense she trained her own natural abilities for protection. Story-wise, Liara is nowhere near as powerful as Samara or Morinth, but she had to deal with pirates, slavers and ferocious animals before people like Kaidan were even born (as she tells you in ME1).

This is valid reasoning,

"Shepard trianed her 'cause I want him to" is not.

That is my explanation as well. But there is a difference between being capable, that is what she was in ME1 (similar to Tali). And the spectre-like individual she became in latter games. 

It's interesting to mention Tali becasue she had a great development. She didn't became anything that she wasn't. She just grew. 

[David7204]

It doesn't have to be supported by the game. It's supported by childishly simple reasoning.

[KaiserShep]

If the entirety of a species is capable of biotics, and biotic training is common among them, it seems reasonable enough that many examples out of that species, regardless of military background, would have powerful biotic abilities.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Uh, no. It's not 'headcannon.' It's deductive reasoning that simply happens to concern a problem within fiction instead of a problem in real life. The fact that this is fiction is entirely irrelavent at the moment. Do you have an alternative solution for how Liara became a skilled warrior? 

One, she isn't a skilled warrior.  Two, I'll use your reasoning and say that a Pyjak from that planet where the orb was dropped, taught her how to use her Biotics more efficiently because of my deductive reasoning, right?  3, Headcannon. 

Honest question spiosz. Do you just not understand what deductive reasoning is, or is this nonsense because you know you're wrong and that my explanation is solid and you have nothing better to say or argue?

Really, this is just silly garbage and you know it. Is this the best you can do?

How's that horse laugh going David? Seems to be the only way you can win an argument.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

It doesn't have to be supported by the game. It's supported by childishly simple reasoning.

Only under certain pre-requisites

[David7204]

KaiserShep wrote...

If the entirety of a species is capable of biotics, and biotic training is common among them, it seems reasonable enough that many examples out of that species, regardless of military background, would have powerful biotic abilities.

Perhaps, but that doesn't explain all the other important elements of combat training.

[Barquiel]

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

If anyone has an actual explanation other than the one I proposed for how Liara became a skilled warrior instead of this petty and trivial nonsense, let me hear me it.

I can assure everyone here deductive reasoning is not 'headcanon.'

Barquiel just did.

Barquiel still has me blocked

Happy?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Davey what happens when you pick up the Blueberry last?

Not only is she a little crazy there is definitely not enough time for Shepard to help her achieve her full Sue-ish potential.

[spirosz]

StreetMagic wrote...

How about this conversation go away now? You guys said your points.

Talk more about Jack and/or power strengths. Stop screwing it up with the whole Liara love/hate thing.

To me, Jack is the strongest human Biotic there is, but she lacks the discipline that Miranda has.  I find that Jack is also, much stronger than Shepard, but obviously gameplay will argue that, so - I won't even bother.  Jack works well under combat situation, but she was brought up as power first, finesse later - though she does have her "moments" - 

Subject Zero

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

David7204 wrote...

If anyone has an actual explanation other than the one I proposed for how Liara became a skilled warrior instead of this petty and trivial nonsense, let me hear me it.

I can assure everyone here deductive reasoning is not 'headcanon.'

Barquiel just did.

Barquiel still has me blocked

Happy?

lol +1

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

If the entirety of a species is capable of biotics, and biotic training is common among them, it seems reasonable enough that many examples out of that species, regardless of military background, would have powerful biotic abilities.

Perhaps, but that doesn't explain all the other important elements of combat training.

Lik her pistol only training?  Mark of a warrior right there

[KaiserShep]

David7204 wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

If the entirety of a species is capable of biotics, and biotic training is common among them, it seems reasonable enough that many examples out of that species, regardless of military background, would have powerful biotic abilities.

Perhaps, but that doesn't explain all the other important elements of combat training.

There's any number of explanations to account for Liara's weapons training, given that she had about a century to learn something about managing a firearm. We don't really need to see her taking weapons training courses to learn how to handle a pistol in a firefight.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:53 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...

It doesn't have to be supported by the game. It's supported by childishly simple reasoning.

So it's a double standard game now? Alright, I'll play.

Not 10 minutes ago, you called me out for saying that I support things that aren't supported by the game and criticizing things that are.

Yet now, here we are with you making a claim that has no basis in the game (and in which I've already given a deconstruction to said claim as well as another poster giving a much more plausible, though still incomplete explanation) and pronouncing that it doesn't need it because you believe it doesn't need support.

I can see how it's childish though, seeing that it's coming from you David. Or should I say, Eric Cartman? Or Fred Phelps? Or Nick Naylor?