Massively, you still seem unable to grasp the simple premise that what 'you' do doesn't matter. Because Shepard let's Liara aboard the ship no matter what 'you' would do. Hugs her on Illium no matter what 'you' would do. Dives for her on the Broker's ship no matter what 'you' would do. Recruits her on Mars no matter what 'you' would do.
How strong do you think Jack's biotics can get?
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Through the power of heroism and characterization. And time-skips.MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
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You seem to be proving my point, Massively. There are other personal aboard the ship. The combat team doesn't need to concern itself with keeping the ship running. There's an entire crew to do that.
And who's to say those members of the combat team don't also have a role to play aboard the ship? That's how naval vessels operate. All crewmen, including the members of the shore/away/combat team all have other duties aboard the vessel. Kaidan is a member of the command staff on the ship and he's doing something in the life support area. Tali is working in Engineering. Garrus is doing something with the Mako (he might even be the technician and mechanic for it). Ashley is managing the armory. Shepard is managing the ship. Wrex is the only one not really doing anything. Regardless, where are they going to train? The ship is too small, and too populated, and too expensive, and too vital to conduct any kind of real training simulations anywhere. Meanwhile, I'm going to make Liara useful too. She has to earn her keep somehow aboard the ship. I'm not taking an untrained neophyte civilian with me on missions, so there's no chance Liara is going to get any practical field experience. So really, how is Liara supposed to get these combat skills?
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Uh, yes. Or were all of those cutscenes in LotSB a figment of my imagination? Liara is competent with weapons. There's no debate.Br3ad wrote...
No. Just no.David7204 wrote...
Lore trumps gameplay. And Liara is shown to be competent with weapons, and even generally prefer them to biotics in cutscenes.
Technically, we never see her actually use them. Regardless, the question is how did she become so proficient?
I blame inconsistent writing.
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Posté 08 septembre 2013 - 09:37
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You can blame whatever silly delusion you'd like.
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Call it what you will, it makes more sense than 90% of what you postDavid7204 wrote...
You can blame whatever silly delusion you'd like.
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David7204 wrote...
You can blame whatever silly delusion you'd like.
Haha, don't you have shame?
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David7204 wrote...
Massively, you still seem unable to grasp the simple premise that what 'you' do doesn't matter. Because Shepard let's Liara aboard the ship no matter what 'you' would do. Hugs her on Illium no matter what 'you' would do. Dives for her on the Broker's ship no matter what 'you' would do. Recruits her on Mars no matter what 'you' would do.
I don't know why you're bringing this up. I'm not saying anything about those, nor have I said anything in the last several pages about these.
If you have to bring up other points from other arguments to support this argument against me (after I deconstructed your argument) then you really don't have much of a grasp of narrative flow. Or social graces.
Are you a woman David? You did what an ex-girlfriend of my friend used to do: Everytime he put up a valid argument against her points, she brought up several old arguments against him in an effort to change the argument.
That's not how argument works, lad.
By the way, I have two counters to two of your points.
1. Liara doesn't always hug Shepard.
2. Shepard can't dive for Liara if he doesn't do LotSB.
The other points I don't contest, nor did I ever contest. So those points are dismissed as strawman's.
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Posté 08 septembre 2013 - 09:41
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Here's the page. Feel free to go and argue it. See how long you last when you have to convince someone other than your little cheerleading squad.
And just for fun, let's see how long it takes for someone to make an utterly moronic comment about how I will supposedly 'just change it back' regardless of the many times I've very paitently explained why that's a stupid excuse.
And just for fun, let's see how long it takes for someone to make an utterly moronic comment about how I will supposedly 'just change it back' regardless of the many times I've very paitently explained why that's a stupid excuse.
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HEROISM AND TIME-SKIPS PEOPLE! IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!
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David7204 wrote...
Here's the page. Feel free to go and argue it. See how long you last when you have to convince someone other than your little cheerleading squad.
And just for fun, let's see how long it takes for someone to make an utterly moronic comment about how I will supposedly 'just change it back' regardless of the many times I've very paitently explained why that's a stupid excuse.
an utterly moronic comment about how you will supposedly 'just change it back' regardless of the many times you've very paitently explained why that's a stupid excuse
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Instead of outright stopping a Reaper, I'm more curious if Jack can protect people from a Reaper blast (even if it's just one blast and she's taxed afterwards).
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Of course not, Lord David. Could you ever be wrong?David7204 wrote...
Am I wrong, Br3ad?Br3ad wrote...
So says he. So says David. And his word became law. He draws the lines that we shall not cross and defines the way he sees fit. His will, our command.David7204 wrote...
Gameplay and Story Segregation is a reality of all video games. I suggest you get used to that reality.
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Posté 08 septembre 2013 - 10:14
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StreetMagic wrote...
Instead of outright stopping a Reaper, I'm more curious if Jack can protect people from a Reaper blast (even if it's just one blast and she's taxed afterwards).
I'd say not.
I think biotics are cool, but I really don't want to see any of them, no matter how powerful, doing stuff like that.
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StreetMagic wrote...
Instead of outright stopping a Reaper, I'm more curious if Jack can protect people from a Reaper blast (even if it's just one blast and she's taxed afterwards).
If it's like the shots in the beam run, possibly. If we're talking the more powerful than hiroshima bomb main gun, then absolutely not.
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Still would be pretty cool even for those beam run blasts. See, another reason she should have been with my squad. I'd have been at full strength against Maurader Shields. Heh
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Posté 08 septembre 2013 - 11:07
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Jack never faced the cereal killer tho.J. Reezy wrote...
Jack didn't get done in by a toothbrush stab wound so she's better.
I'll just point out that even the bottom of this page notes it as a common trait of Mary Sue characters and leave it at that.David7204 wrote...
Here's the page. Feel free to go and argue it. See how long you last when you have to convince someone other than your little cheerleading squad.
And just for fun, let's see how long it takes for someone to make an utterly moronic comment about how I will supposedly 'just change it back' regardless of the many times I've very paitently explained why that's a stupid excuse.
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Posté 08 septembre 2013 - 11:18
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You'll also notice there's no entry for Liara.
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Posté 08 septembre 2013 - 11:35
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Leave my thread for a few hours and liara is the last thing i see. SMH.
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You made a thread about Jack being able to pull down a dreadnaught, which can't even land on planets. What did you think would happen?
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ME 1 doesn't have any combat cutscenes for any character. So there's really no telling who has what level of skill. As I've said, gameplay is not indicative. (And before people start whining, that's true for nearly all games.)
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I think Jack's confident enough to say she can destroy a Frigate from the inside. Not so much with a dreadnought from the outside.
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A point-blank shot from a shotgun is not what I had in mind.
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Might have to agree with David on that. Seems like only Saren and Shep had cutscenes in the first game. Maybe that little bit of Ash shooting Geth in the beginning. Nothing remarkable there but soldiering though.
Never was sure about Wrex's biotics. He did beat a Thresher maw back in the day, so he's pretty damn good. Battlemasters are just as known for their leadership and ruthless tactics as well. Not just for being vanguards. It's one reason why Grunt gives you the title, regardless of class.
Never was sure about Wrex's biotics. He did beat a Thresher maw back in the day, so he's pretty damn good. Battlemasters are just as known for their leadership and ruthless tactics as well. Not just for being vanguards. It's one reason why Grunt gives you the title, regardless of class.
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No cutscenes you say?
In the first four minutes of the first mission, there's a cutscene showing NPC combat.
In the first four minutes of the first mission, there's a cutscene showing NPC combat.
