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[Omega Torsk]

Most likely, if they choose to go forward, it will involve some sort of retcon of the endings...

[MrFob]

I got to say, I am fairly open minded when it comes to the next game.
If they wanted to do a sequel, I'd be fine with that, provided that they really make an effort to keep the established lore intact (such as it is).
I'd also be fine with a prequel and I would even be fine with them canonizing destroy (can't really imagine them going for control or synthesis). If they do, I am sure they'd go with the geth being dead, otherwise, they'd also have to deal with Shepard's decision on Rannoch. Anyway, it would be like back in Warcraft 2 or the C&C universe. I didn't feel the Orc/Nod storyline was particularly invalidated just because later games went with the humans/GDI outcomes. Now that the trilogy is complete, I think they do have the freedom move forward in a particular direction.
However, if they went with e.g. a "midquel" that ties in with the reaper story arc, then they should make sure it works with every Shepard because in that case, they wouldn't really have moved on.

[CannotCompute]

BioWare could let the next game take place during the events of ME3.

Setting: Alien leaders create a secret organization that is dedicated to executing a "Plan B" - to ensure the survival of the most potent races. You will have to travel through a recently discovered Relay that leads to another Galaxy. Your goal will be to explore, report and look for locations to colonize. Choose the race you want to play as and head out with your (alien) team.

Modifié par CannotCompute, 09 septembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Dubozz]

Yes, I thinks sequel should invalidate the ending. It is inevitable. I almost certain that starbrat and rbg endings will be removed(since nobody except shepard saw them), there will be canon, destroy most certainly. Shepards fate will be revealed eventually and there will be new chapter of the ME universe.

[KaiserShep]

It's possible that Shepard's fate may not even be addressed, though that would be pretty cheap if they avoided it entirely. If they did canonize destroy, there's no reason to have Shepard die at the war's conclusion, since the high EMS version has no such thing.

[dorktainian]

throw in a couple of new races, an actual explanation to wtf happened to the reaper threat, vehicle exploration using many types of vehicle, personal transports maybe, a goddam war, commander shepard (as an NPC), and it might well be good to go

we need context to the breath scene first tho.

[AlanC9]

dorktainian wrote...

throw in a couple of new races, an actual explanation to wtf happened to the reaper threat, vehicle exploration using many types of vehicle, personal transports maybe, a goddam war, commander shepard (as an NPC), and it might well be good to go .

The actual explanation of what happened to the Reapers is that the Crucible defeated them. Do they really need to talk about that in the sequel some more?

I'm with KaiserShep. Canonize high-EMS destroy (which means that particular Shepard lived), the geth died at Rannoch so MEHEM fans can pretend MEHEM happened... all you really lose are the entitled whiners who can't handle an RPG series canonizing stuff, and the fanbase is well rid of them

Modifié par AlanC9, 09 septembre 2013 - 02:45 .

[dorktainian]

AlanC9 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

throw in a couple of new races, an actual explanation to wtf happened to the reaper threat, vehicle exploration using many types of vehicle, personal transports maybe, a goddam war, commander shepard (as an NPC), and it might well be good to go .

I'm with KaiserShep. Canonize high-EMS destroy (which means that particular Shepard lived), the geth died at Rannoch so MEHEM fans can pretend MEHEM happened... all you really lose are the entitled whiners who can't handle an RPG series canonizing stuff, and the fanbase is well rid of them

rumor doin the rounds is that it looks like a sequel.  Destroy is really the only ending for following on the story without having huge god like synthetics wondering round all over the place derping it up.  as far as the reapers are concerned....... yeah the crucible ended them.  Space Magic.             

unless you believe Turbo J's theory - in which case Sovereign and Saren are still derping it around and everything was a dream.  

Modifié par dorktainian, 09 septembre 2013 - 03:00 .

[DeathScepter]

Br3ad wrote...

Yes there was. You could not decide if you romanced anyone in KotOR or not. If you said your Revan was male, Bastila was romanced. If you said your Revan was female, Carth was romanced. There was no way around that. Also, there were more Shans, descended from Bastilla mind you, before TOR was a thing also. I doubt they came from anywhere else.

Well there is a difference between being inlove with someone and being their lover. You can argue that Bastila was always in love with Revan and Carth was inlove with The Lady Revan due to her strength since Taris.


Before the Novel, Bastila could have gotten preggers with just about anyone outside of Revan. People can and do move on.

[Br3admax]

DeathScepter wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yes there was. You could not decide if you romanced anyone in KotOR or not. If you said your Revan was male, Bastila was romanced. If you said your Revan was female, Carth was romanced. There was no way around that. Also, there were more Shans, descended from Bastilla mind you, before TOR was a thing also. I doubt they came from anywhere else.

Well there is a difference between being inlove with someone and being their lover. You can argue that Bastila was always in love with Revan and Carth was inlove with The Lady Revan due to her strength since Taris.


Before the Novel, Bastila could have gotten preggers with just about anyone outside of Revan. People can and do move on.

I doubt it. Jedi aren't known for that type of thing, combined with the strong Force bond that they shared, I doubt anyone with Bastila's attitude and morals would do such things. Do you honestly belive that she would, or that the SW EU would make such a situation; I don't. These aren't normal people who were raised in normal enviroments and tought to live normal lives. These are people who are taught that all emotional attachment leads to pain, and when it does. You start to listen. 

As to the lover vs. love point, I don't get what the reason for putting that there was. It's obvious that they mean in love, not lovers. 

[DeathScepter]

Br3ad wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yes there was. You could not decide if you romanced anyone in KotOR or not. If you said your Revan was male, Bastila was romanced. If you said your Revan was female, Carth was romanced. There was no way around that. Also, there were more Shans, descended from Bastilla mind you, before TOR was a thing also. I doubt they came from anywhere else.

Well there is a difference between being inlove with someone and being their lover. You can argue that Bastila was always in love with Revan and Carth was inlove with The Lady Revan due to her strength since Taris.


Before the Novel, Bastila could have gotten preggers with just about anyone outside of Revan. People can and do move on.

I doubt it. Jedi aren't known for that type of thing, combined with the strong Force bond that they shared, I doubt anyone with Bastila's attitude and morals would do such things. Do you honestly belive that she would, or that the SW EU would make such a situation; I don't. These aren't normal people who were raised in normal enviroments and tought to live normal lives. These are people who are taught that all emotional attachment leads to pain, and when it does. You start to listen. 

As to the lover vs. love point, I don't get what the reason for putting that there was. It's obvious that they mean in love, not lovers. 

if you have read the Kotor comics during the Mandalorian Wars Era, There was a school of Thought for non attachment but during this time, Jedi were known to have children, spouses, lovers among other forms of attachment.

The School of Non Attachment took full effect during the Ruusan Reformation period.

It is true that Dantioone Jedi Academy was bit more conversative than other Jedi Academies during this time. I do know Before Exar Kun time, it was very common place for Jedi to take Adults and Teenagers as well as children. Even Bastila Shan wasn't taken as a infant as was the case for Ruusan Reformation Jedi Order.


Jedi Order wasn't exuslive with their Non Attachment Rules and taking soley children.

[Display Name Owner]

Honestly I'm not too bothered with what they do, as long as it's not Synthesis. Not because I hate Synthesis (although no, I don't like it), but because it's just the worst way to go for future games. One, it lessens the species to species and organic to synthetic diversity that made things so interesting. Two, the way I interpreted it, it turns the whole galaxy into some kind of hypn-utopia, which kind of ruins any chance for interesting conflict.

But they're probably going to have to canonise a lot of things. Some of those things might not go the way I'd have chosen, but as long as they do something good with it it's fine.

[Br3admax]

Whatever, man. Whatever you say. I know they talk in game a lot about not doing such things, but you can say whatever you want.

Anyway, before we get back to Mass Effect, I think it should be said that a 38 year old man is not a "young one" by any stretch of the imagination even with the larger life expectancy that is given with the use of the Force.

[DeathScepter]

Br3ad wrote...

Whatever, man. Whatever you say. I know they talk in game a lot about not doing such things, but you can say whatever you want.

Anyway, before we get back to Mass Effect, I think it should be said that a 38 year old man is not a "young one" by any stretch of the imagination even with the larger life expectancy that is given with the use of the Force.

Have you heard of Nomi Sunrider?

[shodiswe]

I think they will just make synthesis have happend no matter what the choice was, either because the peopel choose the upgrades, or because it was salvaged from the reapers, or because Shepard choose synthesis.

After all, we're told it's inevitable.

People are still people, the synthetic conflict might not be at the center, but people might still create conflicts or outside forces could happen.

> It's inevitable. <

[LiL Reapur]

adayaday wrote...

                  I will remember the ones who sacrificed themselves so that the many could survive....
                  Pfft just kidding,you are on your own b**ches.*disapears into darkspace for no apreant reason*

LOL!

Modifié par LiL Reapur, 09 septembre 2013 - 07:07 .

[Turbo_J]

dorktainian wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

throw in a couple of new races, an actual explanation to wtf happened to the reaper threat, vehicle exploration using many types of vehicle, personal transports maybe, a goddam war, commander shepard (as an NPC), and it might well be good to go .

I'm with KaiserShep. Canonize high-EMS destroy (which means that particular Shepard lived), the geth died at Rannoch so MEHEM fans can pretend MEHEM happened... all you really lose are the entitled whiners who can't handle an RPG series canonizing stuff, and the fanbase is well rid of them

rumor doin the rounds is that it looks like a sequel.  Destroy is really the only ending for following on the story without having huge god like synthetics wondering round all over the place derping it up.  as far as the reapers are concerned....... yeah the crucible ended them.  Space Magic.             

unless you believe Turbo J's theory - in which case Sovereign and Saren are still derping it around and everything was a dream.  

It just makes sense to me. You can't canon the 'endings' but you can canon it as a dream or hallucination. Every Shep's/Players ending; regardless of their differences, becomes canon in and of itself, but at the same time the 'Endings' are invalidated pertaining to the real MEU. At this point the journey really is what matters. It was still a great ride, but it's time to get Real and find out WTH is going on in the MEU.

Moving forward - the next game can technically be a Sequel; cronological or concurrent to the ME trilogy timeline prior to where shep got 'derped'; or after it if they want to float the 'Shep is missing' mantra to make it a bit misleading. (which would have ppl up in arms because the 'RGB choice' results would seem to be missing - RETCON ROAR)

...and all this can happen without retcons, canonizing a turd, and without it being 'ME4'. Shepard's story is done; however, choice may really matter if the path of the next game results in discovering what happened to the Commander. I predict some ME1 choices are going to come into play as well.

[KaiserShep]

They're never going to do that dream stuff.

[Br3admax]

And I thought that IT was pachyderm excrement. The more I hear about this "Hallucination Theory," or as I will now call it HT, the more I think the guys who made it are tripping on acid.

[AlanC9]

Turbo_J wrote...

...and all this can happen without retcons, canonizing a turd, and without it being 'ME4'. Shepard's story is done; however, choice may really matter if the path of the next game results in discovering what happened to the Commander. I predict some ME1 choices are going to come into play as well.

Without retcons? Isn't declaring that a whole bunch of the previous storyline was all a dream the epitome of a retcon? I mean, we're in Bobby Ewing in the shower territory here.

[AlexMBrennan]

That's the beauty of the dream IT - you only see that it's a dream after you've woken up. It's technically not a retcon if they simply haven't gotten around to showing Shepard wake up.

[Br3admax]

Or the ITers can get around to the fact that this nightmare is real, in universe. ITers and HTers are in denial. Sometimes you just need to pack your things and leave.

[naes1984]

If there is a sequel, then they HAVE to adopt a canon ending like KOTOR. I would wager that a plurality (I'm not sure about a majority) of ME3 players ended up with paragon-destroy-survive. Looking at their data, Bioware should pick the most common ending outcomes and go with it moving forward. I can't express strongly enough how little I care about seeing a prequel, side story, gaiden, or whatever.

[MegaSovereign]

AlanC9 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

throw in a couple of new races, an actual explanation to wtf happened to the reaper threat, vehicle exploration using many types of vehicle, personal transports maybe, a goddam war, commander shepard (as an NPC), and it might well be good to go .

The actual explanation of what happened to the Reapers is that the Crucible defeated them. Do they really need to talk about that in the sequel some more?

I'm with KaiserShep. Canonize high-EMS destroy (which means that particular Shepard lived), the geth died at Rannoch so MEHEM fans can pretend MEHEM happened... all you really lose are the entitled whiners who can't handle an RPG series canonizing stuff, and the fanbase is well rid of them

So basically, Bioware should respect a fan-made mod more than they should respect any non-Destroy outcome. At that point why would they care about pleasing a minority of the community who has the mod installed (no disrespect to people who like the mod; even if every PC player had MEHEM installed they would still be a technical minority)?

If they're going to disregard player choices they might as well canonize an outcome that didn't happen in ME3. They could just have the Reapers be gone (fate not confiirmed, just vaguely "defeated") and all the races still alive. And Bioware can let players fill in the gap as to how that is. Anyhow, if the next ME game is going to be a more personal story then these details are not going to matter much in practice. I think their number one priority is making a quality game. ME2 had a pretty lackluster premise but the experience was polished enough to where it's regarded as a high-quality title.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

It seems that the ending of ME3 was pretty apocalyptic, no matter what. If mass relays were blowing up, that sets up some interesting story ideas in the aftermath. Re-establishing travel and communication could be interesting imperatives in a new game, without their being a galaxy-wide sentient threat. (Honestly, I'm kind of tired of the Threat to Everything.)