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[Dave of Canada]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's a bit odd. On the one hand BW games allow female PCs and same sex romances for years now, but on the other hand they hide that like the plague in marketing. The only times they are willing to discuss that is with material intended for or media familiar to the fans. Which of course is preaching to the choir.

EA doesn't hide the fact that it supports same sex, they've got entire same-sex support campaigns which always publish whenever the company is targetted by controversy. They did it with the Dante's Inferno debacle, ME3 ending backlash, the worst company award (twice in a row, I might add), etc.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 septembre 2013 - 09:02 .

[Am1vf]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's a bit odd. On the one hand BW games allow female PCs and same sex romances for years now, but on the other hand they hide that like the plague in marketing. The only times they are willing to discuss that is with material intended for or media familiar to the fans. Which of course is preaching to the choir and that won't get you any new fans.

The key word there is marketing. According to marketing surveys a dude holding a big weapon of some sort attracts more new customers, while a female character in the cover repells them. How they get this data and who believes it is anybody's guess.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Am1_vf wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's a bit odd. On the one hand BW games allow female PCs and same sex romances for years now, but on the other hand they hide that like the plague in marketing. The only times they are willing to discuss that is with material intended for or media familiar to the fans. Which of course is preaching to the choir and that won't get you any new fans.

The key word there is marketing. According to marketing surveys a dude holding a big weapon of some sort attracts more new customers, while a female character in the cover repells them. How they get this data and who believes it is anybody's guess.

Sales data, playthrough numbers, etc. FemShep got a massive push for ME3, but still only accounted for about 18%.

[phunx]

Am1_vf wrote...
The key word there is marketing. According to marketing surveys a dude holding a big weapon of some sort attracts more new customers, while a female character in the cover repells them. How they get this data and who believes it is anybody's guess.

I just find it hilarious that putting anything than a white dude on the cover people consider pandering. When that cover itself is the biggest pander-fest known to mankind. What is self-awareness?

[Dio Demon]

Perhaps both have one half of the inquisitor on the box female another half male. It can show that there's a customisation aspect to the game and that you can forge your own character of sorts (if the two look similar).

[Androme]

BeadyEyedTater wrote...

Androme, you clearly don't understand what racism is, please stop making a fool of yourself.

I know exactly what racism is. Unlike an overwhelming majority of people using the term ''racism'' these days, using it left and right for just about everything, example: ''Oh you don't like asian food, are you a racist or something!?!?'', ''Do you think muslims are violent!? Are you a racist!?''.

[phunx]

Androme wrote...

BeadyEyedTater wrote...

Androme, you clearly don't understand what racism is, please stop making a fool of yourself.

I know exactly what racism is. Unlike an overwhelming majority of people using the term ''racism'' these days, using it left and right for just about everything, example: ''Oh you don't like asian food, are you a racist or something!?!?'', ''Do you think muslims are violent!? Are you a racist!?''.

You said "So you want to force cultural and ethnic diversity upon people, effectively committing genocide?"

Not having white people on the cover is litterally Hitler. Except reverse-hitler (cause Hitler liked white people a lot, but not all white people, you could be wrong type of white like Slavic people), like reverse-racism (when people say white people looooove to eat mayo).

So yes, you do know exactly what racism is. Obviously.

[Eledran]

Why not both?
Or even just no inquisitor at all but try to make it more original.

I just hope that they don't pick a male, I'm really tired of the burly men, the angsty teen boys and the "realistic" gangster types.

There's a good chance as well, seeing that the previous covers had the "white with red splash dragon" thing going on (which looked a bit cheap as well but myeah).

[WildOrchid]

Undefined, or nothing at all please. The game title is enough.

[DaringMoosejaw]

DominusVita wrote...

Yeah, the above image. Skyrim has sold millions without taking the "Badass Male/Female" direction(though some of the marketing did involve that).

I'd rather have something symbolic of the inquisition than another Chin Down, Eyes Up scenario.

It didn't NEED a dude on the cover. The viking motif, the CHANTING, THE DRAGONS, the entire marketing campaign was a heavy metal album cover. It was oozing masculinity without needing to put a guy on there.

I think folks need to rethink things a little when they say, 'Skyrim had X, it sold millions!' There were many, many things that made up that game and I don't think you can attribute any one of them on its own to its success. Unfortunately, some people in publishing DO think like this and you end up with folks shoehorning features in there that are like Skyrim or CoD as if it equals success.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 08 septembre 2013 - 12:25 .

[wright1978]

One half male inquisitor's face one half female face, in between the torn veil

[Navasha]

Looks like we have come full circle in the political correctness world. I remember 20 years ago video games getting slammed because they put half-naked women on their box art. Now people are complaining that they are only putting men on the box art and not women.

Seriously, all this political correctness junk is just stuff to argue over anymore. Do people honestly really care what is on the cover? I mean care enough that it warrants getting angry and upset over? I haven't bought a physical game from a store in 5 years thanks to digital distribution. Even when I did I opened the box, took the disks/cd/dvd out and threw the box away. It could have come in a brown wrapper with just the title stamped on the front.

[Kalas Magnus]

an androgynous character? sure.

that way we can both we enjoy the cover.

i really dont care. im not gonna buy or not buy the third installment to a franchise because of the art.

[inarvan]

wright1978 wrote...

One half male inquisitor's face one half female face, in between the torn veil

^This.

[Topsider]

The Inquisition symbol is the best 'neutral' cover, but marketing doesn't want neutral, they want what sells the most copies.

Skyrim had a nice understated cover, but the Elder Scrolls basically sells itself so the box is pretty irrelevant.

[Nerdage]

No inquisitor at all would be my choice, preferably not using the same one twice in the pre-release gameplay either (show me what the CC can do, c'mon!).

Admittedly, what I know about marketing would fit on 0 pages but I don't see why the face of the game should be a face I may never actually see. It seems like it's down-playing the character creator to suggest that this is "the" protagonist, and I'm not sure the kind of person who's going to be buying based on box art would know the difference between a cool-looking protagonist and a cool-looking anyone-else anyway?

[BraveVesperia]

Both, if they have them at all. I liked the double cover of ME3, but if you go to the shops, it still looks like a male on the shelves. You only find out about the female version when you purchase it. It doesn't help advertise that you can play as a woman any more than the previous ME covers did.

To be honest, I don't think they should have them on the front at all, but perhaps show a sample of male and female from each race on the back (or at least mention it), like having that picture of all the races at the bottom. On the front, maybe just a dragon, or the Inquisition symbol or something.

[Fetunche]

I want it to be a dragon.

[crimzontearz]

Let's compromise....a mulatto futa elf inquisitor...and everyone is happy

[AllThatJazz]

Personally, either left vague - the Inquisitor as a sort of shadowy figure never fully revealed; or go to town on the 'be who you want to be' marketing - hero of a thousand faces type stuff. It seems odd to me to have the option of a female protag and then largely overlook this feature in the marketing and therefore lose out on potential players, even though I know the male demographic is the one they're mostly targeting.

[snackrat]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's a bit odd. On the one hand BW games allow female PCs and same sex romances for years now, but on the other hand they hide that like the plague in marketing. The only times they are willing to discuss that is with material intended for or media familiar to the fans. Which of course is preaching to the choir.

They're actually forced to, though. Marketing looks at other female-protagonist games, think 'well they didn't sell well' and so two things happen: one, the producers pay less for the finish product, and two, the marketers well, market it less. Because hey! Female! Its gimicky and only hits a small market etc etc...
....regardless of whether this is the case (though 90% of DAO players playing a male human hardly discount that), marketing still THINKS it is. DAI will have to show the male AT LEAST AS MUCH AS, IF NOT MORE THAN the female to get enough marketing approval to go ahead.

We, the fans? We KNOW there are two genders. They don't need to market the game to us at all really, let alone the available genders. They need to market the game to people who haven't heard of DA, or only recognise the name, or heard the first (and/or second) was good and the third might be worth looking at, or - most likely - they need a generic, market-accepted box cover to draw attention.
Maybe it should be reversible like Mass Effect 3's tin case, but if so, despite supporting female protagonists, I think the female should be the reverse side. The box isn't very appealling if it shows eight people (the eight combinations of inquisitor), they'll want to stick with one. I don't want to handicap the game and its sales because I feel like being represented on a box. I think the developers should actually get paid something out of the deal, goodness knows their pay is low enough.

Do I think people should KNOW about female protagonist? Yes, obviously. Lots of people are drawn to female protagonists - women liking that they are represented, males wanting to stare at dat ass, or just a fresh change from the ever-present Short-Brown-Hair White [Space?-]Marine Guy.
Do I think they should market with her? YES! At least partially.
Do I think they should market with her exclusively? No.

....which is fine, because for marketing reasons the chances they will do that. She probably won't even be majority.

[Nefla]

I think in a game where there is no set protagonist, there shouldn't be a default protagonist on the cover. I think it confuses what kind of game it is and a lot of people end up thinking "this is the hero" and buttoning through the CC without looking at it. Games with that typical brunette white male with stubble on the cover have me walking right by because in my mind it gets equated with the hoards of shallow fighting games or shooters aimed at angsty teen boys. Games with only a symbol or title or something of that nature have me reading the box to see what kind of game is this?

[Wulfram]

Maybe they should rip off Phalanx

[snackrat]

Nefla wrote...

I think in a game where there is no set protagonist, there shouldn't be a default protagonist on the cover. I think it confuses what kind of game it is and a lot of people end up thinking "this is the hero" and buttoning through the CC without looking at it. Games with that typical brunette white male with stubble on the cover have me walking right by because in my mind it gets equated with the hoards of shallow fighting games or shooters aimed at angsty teen boys. Games with only a symbol or title or something of that nature have me reading the box to see what kind of game is this?

You are a thoughtful buyer. The exact person marketing seems to think does not exist.

Bioshock Infinite actually had to use a really generic cover to sell their game, and recognised it (they got a LOOOT more funding for it) - they provided a reversible cover in the case so people who bought it could use that instead, which had a more traditional Bioshock vibe.

But you, Nefla, are part of the minority. People who are uninterested in Short-Brown-Haired White [Space-]Marine Dude are very few compared to those who accept it as a 'majority option'. Truth is that large amounts of the world - including in first world countries - are both very racist and very sexist, so the White Man cover is marketing's best strategy to still have consumers within those markets.

[Eragon-]

Neither. I would rather they showed the tear in the veil or the helmet or the sword or what-have-you.

Modifié par Eragon-, 08 septembre 2013 - 04:04 .