Taleroth wrote...
If you don't know its ulterior motives, then you don't know if it's a demon or a spirit.BlueMagitek wrote...
The demon is still a demon, not a spirit, but you don't know any ulterior motives that it may have.
The only difference is that one's a jerk and one's not. Justice was a spirit. Except when he was a jerk, then he was a demon.
Fardreamer wrote...
People who say there are no good demons needs to go read Asunder. And before you say "He was a spirit, bla bla bla." The Litany of Andralla removes demonic influences on the mind, not spiritual.
There are actual differences. Spirits embody positive emotions while demons embody negative ones. Demons also try and possess and many other nasty things that spirits don't really have a care for. They are very similar in that they're both denizens of the fade who when killed in the mortal world probably just appear back in the fade again, but they have different purposes and needs. Anders is right in that there's a difference between them, but he was wrong in how he thought there was no danger with a spirit. Merrill is right in how there's no safe spirit of the fade, but she's wrong in that there is a difference between spirits and demons.Qistina wrote...
Spirits are demons in DA, spirits are The Maker first children, so The Maker is a demon
Qistina wrote...
Spirits are demons in DA, spirits are The Maker first children, so The Maker is a demon
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HiroVoid wrote...
There are actual differences. Spirits embody positive emotions while demons embody negative ones. Demons also try and possess and many other nasty things that spirits don't really have a care for. They are very similar in that they're both denizens of the fade who when killed in the mortal world probably just appear back in the fade again, but they have different purposes and needs. Anders is right in that there's a difference between them, but he was wrong in how he thought there was no danger with a spirit. Merrill is right in how there's no safe spirit of the fade, but she's wrong in that there is a difference between spirits and demons.
Modifié par LobselVith8, 19 octobre 2013 - 05:46 .
LobselVith8 wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
There are actual differences. Spirits embody positive emotions while demons embody negative ones. Demons also try and possess and many other nasty things that spirits don't really have a care for. They are very similar in that they're both denizens of the fade who when killed in the mortal world probably just appear back in the fade again, but they have different purposes and needs. Anders is right in that there's a difference between them, but he was wrong in how he thought there was no danger with a spirit. Merrill is right in how there's no safe spirit of the fade, but she's wrong in that there is a difference between spirits and demons.
Not exactly. The conversation between Anders and Merrill makes it clear that the distinction is religiously and culturally Andrastian, which is why Merrill doesn't share Anders view:
Anders: Maybe you don't really understand the difference between spirits and demons.
Merrill: Did I ask you?
Anders: Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but He turned his back on them to dote on His mortal creations.
Anders: The ones who resented this became demons, driven to take everything mortals had and gain back the Maker's favor.
Merrill: Your "Maker" is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours.
The Dalish believe in the Creators, not the Maker, so they wouldn't see spirits and demons as the Children of the Maker. In fact, Merrill acknowledges that the denizens of the Fade are different, but doesn't think that means the Chantry is correct in their religious views:
Anders: Do Dalish honestly not recognize the difference between demons and beneficial spirits?
Merrill: We've never thought of the Fade as the home of our gods. It is another realm, another people's home. No different or more foreign than, say, Orzammar.
Varric: You can say that again.
Anders: But have you never studied the types of demons? They break down very clearly into different sins--
Merrill: Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human. More or less...
The fact that Merrill acknowledges that the denizens of the Fade are different, but that the Dalish don't see them as Spirits and Demons (in Andrastian terms), is a point that many players miss due to the conversations between Anders and Merrill being easy to miss.
Merrill and the Dalish know there are distinctions (as she explains when she encounters the Sloth Demon), but they don't view them as the Children of the Maker, or embodiments of sins.
Former_Fiend wrote...
While I actually tend to agree with the dalish view on this(one of the few things I agree with the dalish on), I wouldn't say it's completely andrastian. Morrigan, an ardent atheist, also holds the view of spirits and demons being clearly distinct from one another.
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Azrielon wrote...
I could see a demon potentially helping us, depending on what the Fade tear actually does, I mean if it is a threat to either plane of existence, I doubt all demons would want it to continue, or out of simple self preservation with a number of big wigs on there way. Or just a simple desire to return to the status quo.
Of course in such a situation, I don't think the demon should be trusted in game at all.
wcholcombe wrote...
Azrielon wrote...
I could see a demon potentially helping us, depending on what the Fade tear actually does, I mean if it is a threat to either plane of existence, I doubt all demons would want it to continue, or out of simple self preservation with a number of big wigs on there way. Or just a simple desire to return to the status quo.
Of course in such a situation, I don't think the demon should be trusted in game at all.
Demons have aided us. If you let the demon you encounter in the deel roads go free he gives you a gift. This doesn't make him good, it just means he aided us.
Fardreamer wrote...
People who say there are no good demons needs to go read Asunder. And before you say "He was a spirit, bla bla bla." The Litany of Andralla removes demonic influences on the mind, not spiritual.
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