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[Angrywolves]

Fortlowe wrote...

It's always demons that corrupt mages. Wouldn't it be interesting if it could work the other way too? A demon is turned into a benevolent spirit by an astonishingly good person or at least someone with the purest of intentions. My understanding is that Demons are the way they are because they wish to experience the mortal condition. It's not always vice that motivates us. Experiencing the love of a mother for her child or the righteousness of freeing ones people, and other honorable examples of profound emotion would, I believe, be equally rewarding for a demons appetites.

:blush::innocent:

Not likely.Possessed people become abominations.

I don't know enough about Cole and what he became.There's rumors he may become a companion, if so I presume he has to have been reformed somehow.

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Anders corrupted Justice and he became Vegeance.But I doubt we'll see the opposite and a good guy change an evil spirit.

Modifié par Angrywolves, 15 décembre 2013 - 07:47 .

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

clone wars wrote...

I bet we will find some good demons

Cole...

Considering how Asunder ended, I would put Cole in the "I don't know" category. Heck, I honestly think he exists outside the normal spectrum of demons that we have come to know.

He's a demon. He consumes people life force and emotion of despire to say in this world. Remeber, demons feed off the living and spacific emotional energy. Cole does that, thuse he is a demon.

[leaguer of one]

Angrywolves wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

It's always demons that corrupt mages. Wouldn't it be interesting if it could work the other way too? A demon is turned into a benevolent spirit by an astonishingly good person or at least someone with the purest of intentions. My understanding is that Demons are the way they are because they wish to experience the mortal condition. It's not always vice that motivates us. Experiencing the love of a mother for her child or the righteousness of freeing ones people, and other honorable examples of profound emotion would, I believe, be equally rewarding for a demons appetites.

:blush::innocent:

We basically had that with Anders in DA2, Justice becoming Vegeance.

Wrong. Justice als changed Anders as well. Anders changes the software for Justice and Justice took over the hardware for Anders.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

clone wars wrote...

I bet we will find some good demons

Cole...

Considering how Asunder ended, I would put Cole in the "I don't know" category. Heck, I honestly think he exists outside the normal spectrum of demons that we have come to know.

He's a demon. He consumes people life force and emotion of despire to say in this world. Remeber, demons feed off the living and spacific emotional energy. Cole does that, thuse he is a demon.

I disagree. He came to comfort a mage, the original Cole, who was suffering, and stayed with him until the end. Does that scream demon to you?

Modifié par eluvianix, 15 décembre 2013 - 07:47 .

[Angrywolves]

leaguer of one wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

It's always demons that corrupt mages. Wouldn't it be interesting if it could work the other way too? A demon is turned into a benevolent spirit by an astonishingly good person or at least someone with the purest of intentions. My understanding is that Demons are the way they are because they wish to experience the mortal condition. It's not always vice that motivates us. Experiencing the love of a mother for her child or the righteousness of freeing ones people, and other honorable examples of profound emotion would, I believe, be equally rewarding for a demons appetites.

:blush::innocent:

We basically had that with Anders in DA2, Justice becoming Vegeance.

Wrong. Justice als changed Anders as well. Anders changes the software for Justice and Justice took over the hardware for Anders.

I was editing my post while you were posting.
Patience is a virtue.
shrugs.:innocent:

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

clone wars wrote...

I bet we will find some good demons

Cole...

Considering how Asunder ended, I would put Cole in the "I don't know" category. Heck, I honestly think he exists outside the normal spectrum of demons that we have come to know.

He's a demon. He consumes people life force and emotion of despire to say in this world. Remeber, demons feed off the living and spacific emotional energy. Cole does that, thuse he is a demon.

I disagree. He came to comfort a mage, the original Cole, who was suffering, and stayed with him until the end. Does that scream demon to you?

He also killed other mages. Yes, it was an act of kindness in his mind but he still killed them and feed off of them. He's a demon. A benevolent one but a demon none the less. Being nice about it does not stop him from being a demon.

[leaguer of one]

Angrywolves wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

It's always demons that corrupt mages. Wouldn't it be interesting if it could work the other way too? A demon is turned into a benevolent spirit by an astonishingly good person or at least someone with the purest of intentions. My understanding is that Demons are the way they are because they wish to experience the mortal condition. It's not always vice that motivates us. Experiencing the love of a mother for her child or the righteousness of freeing ones people, and other honorable examples of profound emotion would, I believe, be equally rewarding for a demons appetites.

:blush::innocent:

We basically had that with Anders in DA2, Justice becoming Vegeance.

Wrong. Justice als changed Anders as well. Anders changes the software for Justice and Justice took over the hardware for Anders.

I was editing my post while you were posting.
Patience is a virtue.
shrugs.:innocent:

My comment still applies. Anders changes the software for Justice and Justice took over the hardware for Anders. It was never realy simply one controling the other. In truth they both corrupted each other.

[Fortlowe]

Justice was benevolent to start with. Anders' influence actually made it less so. I mean something like Hunger being changed to Altruism.

[leaguer of one]

Fortlowe wrote...

Justice was benevolent to start with. Anders' influence actually made it less so. I mean something like Hunger being changed to Altruism.

Justice turn to a more exteme version of himself. He;s basicly a rage demon.

[Medhia Nox]

So long as I can imprison the thing for all eternity in my playthru - I'm all for you guys have a demon companion.

Not into killing demons - they just return to the Fade.

I had this chick Pandora make me a box. That's where the demons go.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

So long as I can imprison the thing for all eternity in my playthru - I'm all for you guys have a demon companion.

Not into killing demons - they just return to the Fade.

I had this chick Pandora make me a box. That's where the demons go.

I liked how Malcolm Hawke cursed those demons into those prisons in Legacy. Would like the chance to do something similar.

[Sir DeLoria]

There are no good demons, there are only good spirits.

[Hellion Rex]

I follow the Dalish line of thinking that all spirits are dangerous, regardless of supposed virtue or emotion. I would treat a spirit of Faith as warily as I would a demon of pride.

[stormhit]

leaguer of one wrote...
He also killed other mages. Yes, it was an act of kindness in his mind but he still killed them and feed off of them. He's a demon. A benevolent one but a demon none the less. Being nice about it does not stop him from being a demon.

I'd still lean towards it being questionable what he even is at all. Cole's not exactly rational. As such there's no real reason to take what he says in the epilogue as a legitimate statement of fact.

[leaguer of one]

stormhit13 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
He also killed other mages. Yes, it was an act of kindness in his mind but he still killed them and feed off of them. He's a demon. A benevolent one but a demon none the less. Being nice about it does not stop him from being a demon.

I'd still lean towards it being questionable what he even is at all. Cole's not exactly rational. As such there's no real reason to take what he says in the epilogue as a legitimate statement of fact.

He clearly is rational. The story makes it a point there is a clear reason why he kills, he is instinctively drawn to it. Even the former tranquil asked him to kill him after Cole sense his despair.

Cole was a mage and he is imatating him. Demons do that.

[leaguer of one]

Necanor wrote...

There are no good demons, there are only good spirits.

" there are only good spirits."
Justice.
"There are no good demons,"
Cole.

[SgtSteel91]

Necanor wrote...

There are no good demons, there are only good spirits.

But both are dangerous so stay away from them or be very careful if you absoultely have to deal with one.

[Auintus]

leaguer of one wrote...

Necanor wrote...

There are no good demons, there are only good spirits.

" there are only good spirits."
Justice.
"There are no good demons,"
Cole.

The problem with those statements is that the difference between demons and spirits is only loosely understood. A fade entity that is good is automatically classified as a spirit, while a fade entity that is bad is classified as a demon. There is no such thing as a good demon because if a fade entity is good, it is classified as a spirit instead. The whole thing seems to revolve around itself, really.

That said, the fade is not a very static place. It's dynamic, and it would stand to reason that its denizens are too. But while within the Fade, spirits construct the world around them, which would reinforce their own beliefs and understandings of the world.
When a "demon" crosses over, it takes a vessel and completely overpowers them and carries on whatever it was going to do. This makes it unlikely that it would be affected by the thoughts, actions, and feelings of the host. On the other hand, a spirit forms a more symbiotic bond, which makes it more likely to be affected and possibly corrupted.
For a demon to become "uncorrupted" it would have to bond with a host without taking it over completely so that it might be affected by the host's views. Not a likely scenario. So a "good" demon is far less likely to occur than an "evil" spirit.
Of course, that's all based on my understanding of human psychology and the Fade, so it may be completely off base.

[Red Panda]

Necanor wrote...

There are no good demons, there are only good spirits.

Demons are not good, but nor are they evil. The same applies to spirits, as the other side of the same coin.

In all reality, they are callous, childlike, and chaotic.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 16 décembre 2013 - 11:33 .

[clone wars]

We seen demons try to make deals

[Red Panda]

clone wars wrote...

We seen demons try to make deals

This, of course, is independent of their morality.

[nightcobra]

 Question:
If demons prey on other sentient beings to feed on the darker parts of their psyche (rage, hunger, desire, pride, etc)
then would it be possible for a demon to feed on another demon (seeing as a demon is an embodiment of such things)?

That would be an interesting party member, clearly an evil demon but only feeds on other demons due to an...acquired taste.

it would also present a way to bring back the shapeshifter spec for this party member seeing as demons can do just that.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 22 décembre 2013 - 09:04 .

[Grieving Natashina]

Thinking on it, it appears that there could be room for more varying types of demons and spirits. It has been talked about at length in the games that the entities of the Fade are based upon mortal emotions. It strikes me that there is a lot of grey areas when it comes to how we feel. A lot of it seems to be intent and design.

Now, could something that is supposed to be evil have different layers? For instance, can more higher demons possibly love something other than themselves and power? Are they able to feel sorrow, remorse, regret or repentance? That's where the lines start getting blurry.

In the end, what makes a demon? Intent? Origin of emotion? Or execution of their wills? It's just a philosophical exercise for me; I've never had a single playthrough of the DA games where I played a blood mage.

[nyanyagul]

humm how about a quest where you help/force a rage demon redeem himself and turn him back to spirit of justice wink wink

[Bigdoser]

eluvianix wrote...

I follow the Dalish line of thinking that all spirits are dangerous, regardless of supposed virtue or emotion. I would treat a spirit of Faith as warily as I would a demon of pride.

I am in agreement here I would not trust any of them.