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[Reznore57]

I think inquisition had the longest pre production of any Bioware games , so yeah there's probably hints like Sandal and Bodhan going to Orlais.
But at the time the expansion "Exalted March " was supposed to happen.
So some of the original plan has probably changed.

[Wozearly]

Ecmoose wrote...

Not Anders/Justice in particular, but they did know that a companion from Awakening would be possessed by Justice for DA2. So it's possible that they had an inkling of what they wanted DAI to be and tossed that veil line into a DLC for DA2. As mentioned above they made allusions to Kirkwall in DAO WH.

I don't know if they "knew" they were going to do that, although I agree it was likely to have been on the writers' radar as an idea to carry the events of Awakening into DA2, in a similar way that the Mage-Templar war had been brewing in the background even in DA:O, and made a good backdrop to use for events in a subsequent game (irrespective of how well it was actually executed).

Bear in mind that the writers also "knew" that Jowan was going to be a companion, and that changed as DA:O evolved - a formerly starring role became a footnote.

Fast Jimmy wrote...

That being
said, I feel the amount of dangling plot threads and ambiguous story hooks have grown to a degree too large to take seriously at the moment. It is painting a picture to me that they are just throwing hints on the canvas and seeing to a picture emerges rather than having a detailed vision of what they want to do other than a general set of highlight events. 

I don't personally feel that there are too many dangling plot threads, although that's a matter of taste. Most evolutions between DA:O, DA:A and DA2 seemed to be from credible ways to explore an existing character or situation further, relatively few things were left blatantly dangling with a "...buy the DLC to find out how *this* turned out" tag.

Don't get me wrong, I wish they had George R R Martin or Dan Abnett levels of pre-planning and foreshadowing, but both of them have also gone through significant adaptations as stories have developed in a series. Writing is often better as an evolutionary process than a planned one.

That said, we know that Bioware can do it. I defy anyone to play Knights of the Old Republic and not applaud the foreshadowing...after they've gently picked up their jaw from the table after that certain event occurs.

Modifié par Wozearly, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:29 .

[In Exile]

Wozearly wrote...
Don't get me wrong, I wish they had George R R Martin or Dan Abnett levels of pre-planning and foreshadowing, but both of them have also gone through significant adaptations as stories have developed in a series. Writing is often better as an evolutionary process than a planned one.

Not to take things off-topic, but IMO Martin is not a good example as a pre-planning sort of writer. Not that he doesn't have general outlines of where he's going, but he's on record as being a big fan of allowing his stories to grow organically as he writes them. 

[Thunderfox]

In Exile wrote...

Wozearly wrote...
Don't get me wrong, I wish they had George R R Martin or Dan Abnett levels of pre-planning and foreshadowing, but both of them have also gone through significant adaptations as stories have developed in a series. Writing is often better as an evolutionary process than a planned one.

Not to take things off-topic, but IMO Martin is not a good example as a pre-planning sort of writer. Not that he doesn't have general outlines of where he's going, but he's on record as being a big fan of allowing his stories to grow organically as he writes them. 

Indeed he's mentioned that orginally there was supposed to be a time skip, especially mentioned to age Up Bran, Dany, Arya and them I'd imagine.

And Abnett? Has he even written anything outside of the Warhammer Fantasy/40K Universes?

Modifié par ThunderfoxF, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:36 .

[Sifr]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Then again, I'm doubting they would have thrown a crumb that small into a piece of DLC that easy to overlook. It would give the assumption of a very high level of detail planning and foreshadowing, which I'm not sure is fair to attribute to the DA series.

Except, when you consider that the relatively short Witch Hunt not only featured the Eluvian as a major plot element, but had Kirkwall and Anders mentioned in passing, in addition to an easy to overlook book in the Circle library that discussed Lyrium-enchanced bombs...

In other words, several key plot elements for Dragon Age 2.

Discount nothing, speculate over everything!

Modifié par Sifr1449, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:36 .

[In Exile]

ThunderfoxF wrote...
Indeed he's mentioned that orginally there was supposed to be a time skip, especially mentioned to age Up Bran, Dany, Arya and them I'd imagine.

The 5-year gap was a total flop. It was going to be all flashbacks for part of the books, but he realized that isn't workable. He also had a very different style of storytelling in mind when AGOT started out, where he planned to cover the entire plot of the first three books in one. I believe it was originally "A Game of Thrones", "A Dance with Dragons" and "The Winds of Winter" as a trilogy plotwise. 

Modifié par In Exile, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:38 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Not everything that pierces the Veil is necessarily related to the giant hole in the sky. I have a hard time imagining the main plot of DAI is a direct continuation of DA 2's DLC.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:50 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Not everything that pierces the Veil is necessarily related to the giant hole in the sky. I have a hard time imagining the main plot of DAI is a direct continuation of DA 2's DLC.

It wouldn't be the first time that there was massive foreshadowing in BioWare DLC. They've done it with Amgarrak and Witch Hunt, and that's just for Dragon Age. Did you miss out on the (awesome) Legacy add-on? 

Modifié par OLDIRTYBARON, 08 septembre 2013 - 08:54 .

[In Exile]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Not everything that pierces the Veil is necessarily related to the giant hole in the sky. I have a hard time imagining the main plot of DAI is a direct continuation of DA 2's DLC.

Why would that be different from a continuation of Asunder or one of the comics?

[Ziggeh]

I think in that context "piercing the veil" is a poetic term.

Despite having mages of their own I don't think the Blight connect to the fade in the same way as the more sentient races, and Larius is explaining he is not as they are, he does things they do not, like talking. Whether it means simply connecting, or talking to them from the fade, in the way the Archdemons do, singing the song and all that, I don't know, but as he's already doing several things one could consider "piercing" of the veil I think it's not likely he's refering to a literal splitting.

[Rawgrim]

Seems like the OP made a very nice catch.

[Sifr]

greengoron89 wrote...

Furthermore it is implied in the Legacy DLC that the Old God Dumat may still be alive somehow. That has some pretty serious implications if it turns out to be true, as Dumat is supposed to be the most powerful of the Old Gods and is no friend to Thedas.

I thought Corypheus was confused because he couldn't hear Dumat calling to him as he had before?

[Rawgrim]

Didn`t that archdemon in the trailer pop out of the veil? Maybe its Dumat and thats the reason why they couldn`t hear him.

[Ziggeh]

greengoron89 wrote...

Corypheus does call upon Dumat to give him power, and he is granted it. You can also worship at the Altar of Dumat and receive a reward.

That only really tells you he believes that, and that there is some power there. It's not nothing, but it's in the same vein as the Ashes of Andraste possibly the presence of the Maker or possibly being the result of applying belief to lyrium infused dirt.

[PantheraOnca]

I took the "5 game plan" to be a bit of an adaptation on a "5 year plan." You don't plan to kill yourself after 5 years, but that's as far ahead as you have outlined.

[OLDIRTYBARON]

PantheraOnca wrote...

I took the "5 game plan" to be a bit of an adaptation on a "5 year plan." You don't plan to kill yourself after 5 years, but that's as far ahead as you have outlined.

The way Laidlaw rolled his eyes as he said it made me think the same. The dude was just ass-pulling for a number and thought to make a clever comment out of it. He did, mind you. I chuckled and got the point.

Some people are very literal, though.

[In Exile]

greengoron89 wrote...

Corypheus does call upon Dumat to give him power, and he is granted it. You can also worship at the Altar of Dumat and receive a reward.

But if you defile it, all you have to do is kill some demons and it loses its power. So whether or not it was actually Dumat... 

[Ieldra]

Corypheus is dead, damn it!

I'm 100% convinced that line means nothing more than Corypheus exists on both sides of the Veil, referring to his being one of the original magisters who physically entered the Fade..

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 septembre 2013 - 09:43 .

[Milan92]

Off topic but am I the only one who thought Corypheus looked like Anthony Hopkins...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The only hint of that is the Altar of Dumat, the quest text in the journal says "The Old God appears to be pleased by this" if you complete a sacrifice to Dumat.

Anyway, I did play Legacy and I did really enjoy it. I think there's even a very good chance Corypheus will appear in some form in DAI and cause problems, but I just have a hard time imagining that the most obvious consequnce from anything Hawke did in DA 2 will be from Legacy. I don't think I would really expect the giant hole in the Veil to be continued from a story in the books or comics either.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 08 septembre 2013 - 09:49 .