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[imbs]

Eragon- wrote...

^ They would rather seem to be hell bent on insulting people rather than discussing their "enthusiasm".
This may, of course, be my bias talking since I have seen very few posts like the one you talk about.

The forum is pretty shocking to be fair. I originally came to this forum to see what people's opinions on what gameplay should be like come DA3, yet I was greeted by 50 page qunari LI threads and anything and everything roleplay and Romance.

It really is quite astounding if you think about it. Aren't there far superior mediums for romance and roleplay than video games? Why are you people so obsessed with it? I'd genuinely like to see some psychology done on the subject. Personally speaking I would read a book if I wanted romance.

[Eragon-]

imbs wrote...

Eragon- wrote...

^ They would rather seem to be hell bent on insulting people rather than discussing their "enthusiasm".
This may, of course, be my bias talking since I have seen very few posts like the one you talk about.

The forum is pretty shocking to be fair. I originally came to this forum to see what people's opinions on what gameplay should be like come DA3, yet I was greeted by 50 page qunari LI threads and anything and everything roleplay and Romance.

It really is quite astounding if you think about it. Aren't there far superior mediums for romance and roleplay than video games? Why are you people so obsessed with it? I'd genuinely like to see some psychology done on the subject. Personally speaking I would read a book if I wanted romance.

For me its more about the characterisation that comes with the romance. I know its very little but it is sometimes so diagonally opposite to the said characters general characterization that its fun to see it. Like Morrigan or Isabella. The characters, in a Bioware, game are the most important part  to me. I generally don't care much about combat mechanics since, if I wanted good gameplay I could play MMO's which are much more in tune with what I like gameplay wise.

I'm aware there are better mediums for this stuff but, what can I say, I enjoy games more than books 

Modifié par Eragon-, 08 septembre 2013 - 10:42 .

[werewoof]

imbs wrote...

Eragon- wrote...

^ They would rather seem to be hell bent on insulting people rather than discussing their "enthusiasm".
This may, of course, be my bias talking since I have seen very few posts like the one you talk about.

The forum is pretty shocking to be fair. I originally came to this forum to see what people's opinions on what gameplay should be like come DA3, yet I was greeted by 50 page qunari LI threads and anything and everything roleplay and Romance.

It really is quite astounding if you think about it. Aren't there far superior mediums for romance and roleplay than video games? Why are you people so obsessed with it? I'd genuinely like to see some psychology done on the subject. Personally speaking I would read a book if I wanted romance.

thanks for the condescending remark about the psychological state of people who like something different from you thats totally original and not a cheap dig ive seen on every single romance thread ever

also congrats on liking books but this is a roleplaying game so i assume thats where the appeal of roleplaying, romance included, comes into play. in an rpg i can create my own character and give them a story and experience it through them, which is generally what roleplaying entails. if you legit have an issue with roleplaying in a roleplaying game then maybe youre barkin up the wrong tree here and should go play some other genre.

Modifié par tiktac, 08 septembre 2013 - 10:44 .

[Ianamus]

imbs wrote...

Eragon- wrote...

^ They would rather seem to be hell bent on insulting people rather than discussing their "enthusiasm".
This may, of course, be my bias talking since I have seen very few posts like the one you talk about.

The forum is pretty shocking to be fair. I originally came to this forum to see what people's opinions on what gameplay should be like come DA3, yet I was greeted by 50 page qunari LI threads and anything and everything roleplay and Romance.

It really is quite astounding if you think about it. Aren't there far superior mediums for romance and roleplay than video games? Why are you people so obsessed with it? I'd genuinely like to see some psychology done on the subject. Personally speaking I would read a book if I wanted romance.

I think it is not just the romance itself, but the thought of an interactive romance. Dating sims are essentially just interactive romance stories where you choose the couple and the outcome, and they are something that aren't really seen in western media. Bioware games are probably one of the closest things you can get to that outside of anime-based visual novels. 

Modifié par EJ107, 08 septembre 2013 - 10:47 .

[OLDIRTYBARON]

I'll never understand the mindset of a person who looks at someone else's preferences and goes "that's ****ing dumb. Why would you ever give a **** about that?"

[KBomb]

OLDIRTYBARON wrote...

I'll never understand the mindset of a person who looks at someone else's preferences and goes "that's ****ing dumb. Why would you ever give a **** about that?"

I'm not sure, but I assume it is for the same reason as to why someone would look at someone else's opinion and go, "That's ****ing dumb. Why would you ever give a **** about that?"

[Ianamus]

imbs wrote...

Quoting someone and writing "This." and criticizing something for being juvenile shouldn't be allowed to be in the same post, frankly. That pathetic defence is even worse. You do realise you are just 1-upping them, right? 20 seconds of thought should reveal how feeble the defence is. You don't think people should care about what other people want to talk about? Shouldn't that rule work for you as well?

Why are you allowed to talk about romances, whilst other people are not allowed to talk about the fanbase's enthusiasm for them?

I never said that people shouldn't be "talking about the fanbase's enthusiasm" , I said people shouldn't be "posting only to criticise other people who like different things to you".

It has nothing to do with people discussing how much some people enjoy romance content and everything to do with just being mean and nasty towards people who are enjoying talking about romance content. I often see them happily discussing it and having fun only to have people come in and laugh at or be downright offensive to them for no reason, when if they aren't interested in the topic they should just avoid that thread altogether. 

Your argument is even more feeble than you claim mine to be because you don't see the difference between talking about something you enjoy and insulting other people. 10 seconds of thought should reveal that one of those things is perfectly acceptable and the other is not. 

Modifié par EJ107, 08 septembre 2013 - 11:20 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Agreed op. Some people simply lack real-life romances so that's why they're so hard on virtual romances, and hell they wont admit it! That's just my opinion though.

[venusara]

EJ107 wrote...

imbs wrote...

Quoting someone and writing "This." and criticizing something for being juvenile shouldn't be allowed to be in the same post, frankly. That pathetic defence is even worse. You do realise you are just 1-upping them, right? 20 seconds of thought should reveal how feeble the defence is. You don't think people should care about what other people want to talk about? Shouldn't that rule work for you as well?

Why are you allowed to talk about romances, whilst other people are not allowed to talk about the fanbase's enthusiasm for them?

I never said that people shouldn't be "talking about the fanbase's enthusiasm" , I said people shouldn't be "posting only to criticise other people who like different things to you".

It has nothing to do with people discussing how much some people enjoy romance content and everything to do with just being mean and nasty towards people who are enjoying talking about romance content. I often see them happily discussing it and having fun only to have people come in and laugh at or be downright offensive to them for no reason, when if they aren't interested in the topic they should just avoid that thread altogether. 

Your argument is even more feeble than you claim mine to be because you don't see the difference between talking about something you enjoy and insulting other people. 10 seconds of thought should reveal that one of those things is perfectly acceptable and the other is not. 

I totally agree with this

[slimgrin]

Yes. I supported romance when it was novel and demonstrated that games are a medium like movies or books. Then Bioware started banking on it, peddling multi-sex romance like some social justice crusade...you can count me out.

[werewoof]

slimgrin wrote...

Yes. I supported romance when it was novel and demonstrated that games are a medium like movies or books. Then Bioware started banking on it, peddling multi-sex romance like some social justice crusade...you can count me out.

i was wondering how long it would be before someone else came in to imply that anything outside of hetero romance is just social justice pandering. cause theres absolutely nothing remotely valid about wanting to be treated like a human being by an industry 

[slimgrin]

tiktac wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Yes. I supported romance when it was novel and demonstrated that games are a medium like movies or books. Then Bioware started banking on it, peddling multi-sex romance like some social justice crusade...you can count me out.

i was wondering how long it would be before someone else came in to imply that anything outside of hetero romance is just social justice pandering. cause theres absolutely nothing remotely valid about wanting to be treated like a human being by an industry 

No, it's Bioware's fan-centric approach that is social justice pandering. I've argued extensively for gay characters, but that's not inclusive enough.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 septembre 2013 - 11:37 .

[werewoof]

slimgrin wrote...

tiktac wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Yes. I supported romance when it was novel and demonstrated that games are a medium like movies or books. Then Bioware started banking on it, peddling multi-sex romance like some social justice crusade...you can count me out.

i was wondering how long it would be before someone else came in to imply that anything outside of hetero romance is just social justice pandering. cause theres absolutely nothing remotely valid about wanting to be treated like a human being by an industry 

No, it's Bioware's fan-centric approach that is social justice pandering. I've argued extensively for gay characters, but that's not inclusive enough.

wow congrats on arguing for gay characters youre a hero

exactly what is wrong with a fan centric approach

isnt that sort of the basic idea with a product one is trying to sell

isnt that pretty much who theyre making the game for?

[venusara]

slimgrin wrote...

tiktac wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Yes. I supported romance when it was novel and demonstrated that games are a medium like movies or books. Then Bioware started banking on it, peddling multi-sex romance like some social justice crusade...you can count me out.

i was wondering how long it would be before someone else came in to imply that anything outside of hetero romance is just social justice pandering. cause theres absolutely nothing remotely valid about wanting to be treated like a human being by an industry 

No, it's Bioware's fan-centric approach that is social justice pandering. I've argued extensively for gay characters, but that's not inclusive enough.

If a video game dare give someone a sense of social justice (which I don't see that it has that large of an impact on the vast majority), then I fail to see why that is a bad thing, or why it pisses you off personally.

[slimgrin]

tiktac wrote...


isnt that pretty much who theyre making the game for?

Yes, exactly as I said. They are now making games for players who want to be pandered to. If that's your thing, great.

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 septembre 2013 - 11:48 .

[Wissenschaft]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

SIgh, more Trolls. When someone makes a topic criticizing, in an insulting way, what is known as a popular feature of a game and then responses to every rejection of their insulting topic for no other apparent reason then to be argumentative, they are a troll.

If you can't tell how equating DA romances to porn is insulting to both the fans and the writers then please stop posting. You've already made your point, just let this topic die before it gets locked by a mod.

Don't misrepresent me (or this thread) Wissenschaft -  I would guess that the writers might take greater offense to the boycotting of a Dragon Age game sans romantic content, than the claim that 'fans' who yank it to game themed porn are weird!

Right?

 

Having your writting be called porn is still very insulting. And we've already had a topic about whether people would still buy a bioware game without rommances and I didn't see anyone say no. So, unless I missed something, no ones been calling for a boycot of DA games if they lack rommances. 

The whole point of this thread is the OP claiming people care about rommances too much when it appears some people just hate rommances too much. 

Since rommances are entirely optional in bioware games, why do you care if they exist or not?

As for why people would care more about rommances than gameplay, remember this is an RPG. A lot of people play RPGs for the story and roleplay over any gameplay mechanics, and rommances are just another way to enhance the players' immersion.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 08 septembre 2013 - 11:59 .

[werewoof]

slimgrin wrote...

tiktac wrote...


isnt that pretty much who theyre making the game for?

Yes, exactly as I said. They are now making games for players who want to be pandered to. If that's your thing, great.

so wanting actual representation in an industry that is generally very very exclusive to straight males is wanting to be pandered to, good to know

that argument doesnt carry much weight when the vast majority of video games refuses to acknowledge that we exist and those that do still tend to do so only on a side note 

[slimgrin]

tiktac wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

tiktac wrote...


isnt that pretty much who theyre making the game for?

Yes, exactly as I said. They are now making games for players who want to be pandered to. If that's your thing, great.

so wanting actual representation in an industry that is generally very very exclusive to straight males is wanting to be pandered to, good to know

that argument doesnt carry much weight when the vast majority of video games refuses to acknowledge that we exist and those that do still tend to do so only on a side note 

Why the hell do you need representation? I'm not represented in their games. Are you somehow special?

[DarkSpider88]

I personally like having romance subplots in the game because it adds another layer to the story.

[werewoof]

slimgrin wrote...

tiktac wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

tiktac wrote...


isnt that pretty much who theyre making the game for?

Yes, exactly as I said. They are now making games for players who want to be pandered to. If that's your thing, great.

so wanting actual representation in an industry that is generally very very exclusive to straight males is wanting to be pandered to, good to know

that argument doesnt carry much weight when the vast majority of video games refuses to acknowledge that we exist and those that do still tend to do so only on a side note 

Why the hell do you need representation? I'm not represented in their games. Are you somehow special?

this is an actual thing that a real person is saying to me right now that is interesting

okay, yall want me to get serious here, representation is important because it feels like absolute sh*t to be in a marginalized group that is purposely excluded from everything. to essentially be told that you arent good enough, arent worth being included because you weren't born as what is considered the most acceptable. because people like you show up to say, "i argued for one whole gay once, isnt that enough? you're all just selfish to want to be treated as thought you're good enough to be included in modern media, goddamn" 

because there is no reason not to include queer people in video games 

Modifié par tiktac, 09 septembre 2013 - 12:07 .

[Teddie Sage]

RedJohn wrote...

because i've been reading here and there and it seems people give more importance to romances than gameplay mechanics such as battles, powers and other stuff.


Why? 


btw, changing a little bit what do you prefer the most?, good romances or better combat mechanics?

Sorry to ask, but why do you care? Seriously, if you don't like romances, don't do them.