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[Dave of Canada]

Blank-Slate-Blues wrote...

But doesn't that sort of imply that straight characters are more worthy of importance while everyone else is relegated to being secondary characters.

Only if the writers handle it that way. Homosexual and bisexual characters can still be relevant, they just spend most resources re-doing the same romance line twice by swapping he/she instead.

And I don't understand, why shouldn't the romances please people? Isn't that their purpose?

I hate fan-service and would much rather the romances be engaging.

Friend romanced Alistair, she got dumped and it almost ruined her until he died when he stepped in against her wishes to kill the Archdemon. She wept and stayed in her room for a good week, not contacting the outside world and still has trouble dealing with that today when you mention it.

Thing is, she found out about the happily-ever-after ending and now claims it's better than baked potatoes. The outrageous claim aside, the fact that she's basically programmed into doing the same damn thing with no emotional out-put aside from "yay, I won" shows me one truth:

No matter how much she denies it, the original ending was superior because it drawed out such a strong and lasting emotional response. Gaider fed off her tears and probably still has some in reserves, she loves Alistair to bits but down the line, she won't remember him because of his "SWOOPING IS BAD" line or the fact they lived happily-ever-after, she'll remember him as the NPC that crushed her soul for a good week.

[Cantina]

RedJohn wrote...

because i've been reading here and there and it seems people give more importance to romances than gameplay mechanics such as battles, powers and other stuff.


Why? 


btw, changing a little bit what do you prefer the most?, good romances or better combat mechanics?

Yes, because we all know that having romance in the game is such a terrible thing. Goodness forbid people want to have in depth interactions with their companions which in turn folds into the story. Shame on them!

Its a bit hard to have a long drawn-out discussion about game mechanics when only so much has been shown and the game has yet to be released.

One of the reasons I love the Dragon Age series is because it incorporates romance into your game play. Unlike, Skyrium which threw romance in the game as an appitizer, Dragon Age romances add another level to the story and how the world reacts around it.

Humans in real life are pron to seek out a mate, I do not see why that is a bad thing to add in any game. In games romance is more important to some people as game mechanics are to others.

People are diffrent, they find their own entertainment within the game. Maybe yours in real life is enjoying paying bills over dating.

Modifié par Cantina, 08 septembre 2013 - 09:14 .

[Cantina]

greengoron89 wrote...

Blank-Slate-Blues wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I actually miss some of the DA:O-style romances. While Leliana and Zevran were pretty insignificant in the end, the romances with Morrigan and Alistair could actually alter the main storyline.

Same with Carth and Bastila in KOTOR, now that I think about it.

More of that, less of the tacked-on people-pleasing romances.

But doesn't that sort of imply that straight characters are more worthy of importance while everyone else is relegated to being secondary characters. In DA2, making them all bisexual/playersexual did a bit to fix that unfortunate implication from what I understand.

And I don't understand, why shouldn't the romances please people? Isn't that their purpose?

As Bioware hasn't written (that I'm aware of) any gay/bisexual characters whose romance arcs have a significant impact on the storyline, I could only use what examples were available.

The closest they have come so far on that front is Anders. Except Anders is a gigantic douche and no one likes him.

Anders,(in DA 2)was written, well, kind of sloppy. Thank goodness the writer is not going to be in DA3 (so I have heard). But as for your comment, "No one likes him" and despite his poor writing in DA 2, I still love Anders.

[Eragon-]

Someone seriously made a thread for this....Wow.

[Friera]

I love love

[quickthorn]

I've played games where I couldn't care less about their complicated crafting system, which no doubt the devs put plenty of time and resources into. Or maybe I didn't care about having X amount of unique weapon names or designs if they didn't have a stat boost (armour, however was another matter).  Plus I'll never give a damn whether I can see my bowstring or not in a million years.  Even so, I would not make a post to question whether other people cared too much. It's up to others which features they enjoy in a game. What I find odd is not that some people enjoy romances but that some people feel a need to complain about the fact that others enjoy them.

When I read books I'm always most interested in the characters rather than some other aspects: what drives them, how they interact with one another, how they deal with the events in the book. Although I'm not a fan of romance novels at their most formulaic, a character's experience of love can be a valuable part of their development, and the same applies to games.

Modifié par quickthorn, 08 septembre 2013 - 07:39 .

[Ananka]

Eragon- wrote...

Someone seriously made a thread for this....Wow.

I think it's called flamebait.

[Blank-Slate-Blues]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Blank-Slate-Blues wrote...

But doesn't that sort of imply that straight characters are more worthy of importance while everyone else is relegated to being secondary characters.

Only if the writers handle it that way. Homosexual and bisexual characters can still be relevant, they just spend most resources re-doing the same romance line twice by swapping he/she instead.

Yeah, Bioware kind of dropped the ball on that front and, as I said, this was somewhat rectified by having all LIs be bi/playersexual. In fact that two characters that are "canonically" non-straight (if we take into account what David Gaider said regarding Merril and Fenris) are very important to the plot - Isabela for the Qunari arc and Anders for the mage/templar conflict. So there's that.

And I don't understand, why shouldn't the romances please people? Isn't that their purpose?

I hate fan-service and would much rather the romances be engaging.

Friend romanced Alistair, she got dumped and it almost ruined her until he died when he stepped in against her wishes to kill the Archdemon. She wept and stayed in her room for a good week, not contacting the outside world and still has trouble dealing with that today when you mention it.

Thing is, she found out about the happily-ever-after ending and now claims it's better than baked potatoes. The outrageous claim aside, the fact that she's basically programmed into doing the same damn thing with no emotional out-put aside from "yay, I won" shows me one truth:

No matter how much she denies it, the original ending was superior because it drawed out such a strong and lasting emotional response. Gaider fed off her tears and probably still has some in reserves, she loves Alistair to bits but down the line, she won't remember him because of his "SWOOPING IS BAD" line or the fact they lived happily-ever-after, she'll remember him as the NPC that crushed her soul for a good week.

Objectively, it may have been a better ending, but it wasn't what she wanted. She may have locked herself into specific choices, but as unfortunate as that may seem, she is playing the game how she wants to get the outcome that she wants.

The romances are fundementally fanservice whether or not they contribute to make the plot better. It's optional content that not everyone is going to see. The romances should definitely always be engaging and be used to add flavour to character arcs, but they are secondary and are primarily created to cater to what Bioware believes the fans want.

(I'm sorry your friend had such a rough time though)

[caradoc2000]

RedJohn wrote...

it seems people give more importance to romances than gameplay mechanics such as battles, powers and other stuff.

make love, not war.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

RedJohn wrote...

because i've been reading here and there and it seems people give more importance to romances than gameplay mechanics such as battles, powers and other stuff.


Why? 


btw, changing a little bit what do you prefer the most?, good romances or better combat mechanics?

Well, i usually treat combat in games like the plague (unless its turn based), so i guess i put more importance on romances, still, as far as overall importance goes id put them somewhere in the lower half of my list

[Dio Demon]

Cantina wrote...
Anders,(in DA 2)was written, well, kind of sloppy. Thank goodness the writer is not going to be in DA3 (so I have heard). But as for your comment, "No one likes him" and despite his poor writing in DA 2, I still love Anders. 

No the writer in question isn't going to be in DA:I, but it's not so bad she wasn't in DA2 or Origins but she was on the writing team for ALL of them. You know what's really irritating when someone writes one thing that someone doesn't like they immediately say "This writer sucks" without acknowledging their previous work, see here.

If you can honestly say you hated ALL those parts of Dragon Age then I'll declare your opinion of her writing skills as valid.

[Mimitochan]

RedJohn wrote...
btw, changing a little bit what do you prefer the most?, good romances or better combat mechanics?

Both.

[Blank-Slate-Blues]

greengoron89 wrote...

Blank-Slate-Blues wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I actually miss some of the DA:O-style romances. While Leliana and Zevran were pretty insignificant in the end, the romances with Morrigan and Alistair could actually alter the main storyline.

Same with Carth and Bastila in KOTOR, now that I think about it.

More of that, less of the tacked-on people-pleasing romances.

But doesn't that sort of imply that straight characters are more worthy of importance while everyone else is relegated to being secondary characters. In DA2, making them all bisexual/playersexual did a bit to fix that unfortunate implication from what I understand.

And I don't understand, why shouldn't the romances please people? Isn't that their purpose?

As Bioware hasn't written (that I'm aware of) any gay/bisexual characters whose romance arcs have a significant impact on the storyline, I could only use what examples were available.

The closest they have come so far on that front is Anders. Except Anders is a gigantic douche and no one likes him.

Ah, I misunderstood your meaning, sorry.

DAO romances were much better than DA2, mostly becuase you actually got to talk with your companions about things other than the current problems of the arc. They felt more three dimensional, at least to me. Luckily, I believe they're going back to that kind of system for DA3.

And I did find Anders an absolute pain to drag around, almost as much as Fenris IMHO.

[Blank-Slate-Blues]

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

Cantina wrote...
Anders,(in DA 2)was written, well, kind of sloppy. Thank goodness the writer is not going to be in DA3 (so I have heard). But as for your comment, "No one likes him" and despite his poor writing in DA 2, I still love Anders. 

No the writer in question isn't going to be in DA:I, but it's not so bad she wasn't in DA2 or Origins but she was on the writing team for ALL of them. You know what's really irritating when someone writes one thing that someone doesn't like they immediately say "This writer sucks" without acknowledging their previous work, see here.

If you can honestly say you hated ALL those parts of Dragon Age then I'll declare your opinion of her writing skills as valid.

It's a shame she left. Bethany was one of my favourite characters in DA2:(

Modifié par Blank-Slate-Blues, 08 septembre 2013 - 10:09 .

[Newschmoo]

If the characters were not so engaging, then people wouldn't care about the romances as much as they do. The problem is that Bioware create great stories and characters (and long may that continue).

Saying that, I prefer good combat mechanics over romances, because gameplay is very important to me.

[crimzontearz]

I'd rather care too much about romance than caring too much about the fact that the two handed heavy sword swing has been tweaked and now it 30 frames faster thus making it overpowered and ****ting all over the dual wielding DPS or some such bs

[L. Han]

I think I see more people requesting for romances...

[Kaiser of Hearts]

I get that no one likes being called a weirdo... But it is weird.