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[lady_v23]

People care about romances. Obviously they wouldn't feel so strongly about it.

And you know what? Saying you don't like romances for x reason, doesn't make you cool, or special. Just another one who doesn't do romances.

[Nefla]

I care more about story and characters (this includes romance) than I do about combat or gameplay mechanics. Much MUCH more. I will suffer through combat that I hate to get to story stuff I like. I didn't like combat in either DA, so I don't care how they refine or tweak it. If all you care about is combat, there are better games for that.

[philippe willaume]

Please keep the romance on.

I like combat in game and I have practiced martial arts for a very long time and I like shooting at paper.
And yet I like romance in game in fact I which that they were a little more complex and deep and really that goes with companion relations as well. kind of like Fall-From-Grace in planescape torment,.

That being said, no-one is putting a gun to any players head to click on the flirting option, so there is not really a problem.

Modifié par philippe willaume, 08 septembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[MisterMonkeyBanana]

As long as fans acknowledge that they are optional content and that not selecting a romance option (or indeed, not electing to go through with the sex scene because for some reason the fate of the entire galaxy made you not in the mood >>) then people can care as much as they want, as long as not caring is allowed as well.

But WITHIN the romance debate, I think the support for same-sex romances/equal male-female love interests is important, since if you're going to express yourself, you should be trying to allow as many different people to express themselves as you can.

... But as long as the romance is optional content, I remember a post many years ago from Chris Priestly who commented that romances were not important because they were not essential to the game and that post had a backlash against it. So I guess you could argue some people take it too far more than likely.

[Massa FX]

Yes. I care. I admit it. I'm a romantic.

[Silfren]

Nefla wrote...

I care more about story and characters (this includes romance) than I do about combat or gameplay mechanics. Much MUCH more. I will suffer through combat that I hate to get to story stuff I like. I didn't like combat in either DA, so I don't care how they refine or tweak it. If all you care about is combat, there are better games for that.

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Same here.  Whether there's romance content or not, I play these games for the story.  The gameplay and combat are just things I slog through to get to the story.  In fact, I'll admit it straight up:  After I've played a game completely through from start to finish, afterward I tend to use the killallhostiles feature quite a lot.  It may be in part because I simply didn't like the way combat was handled, but really I just find it tedious and boring after the first run.  

I've even had other gamers roll their eyes at the decisions I make on skills whenever I level up, or choosing Alistair over Loghain, even, because they think I'm playing the game wrong by not (in their eyes) optimizing damage output.  That's just not how I play.  I'm much more interested in playing in a way that's lore consistent, etc.

[PsychoticFox]

Personally? I find the combat and such to often be tedious and boring.

I'm much more interested in the story and the characters who are a part of it.

[Kaidan Fan]

Former_Fiend wrote...

I think people care too much about people who care about romances.

Pretty much this.

They are optional.  Don't like romances? don't do them.  Don't wanna talk about it on the forums?  don't go in the threads where it's being discussed. 

Seriously, it's that easy.

[Chari]

YES
I love romance, but... geeze, people can go nuts just because they can't romance sb.
Damn, I can't romance neither Sten, Carver, Justice (as a spiritual platonic love, you pervs ;D) nor Varric or Avelin, but do I whine? No, that;s just how some characters work. They're no less awesome without romance

[Blooddrunk1004]

That's why i stopped taking BSN seriously. Ever since ME2 it got populated with people who just want to get into someone's pants. DA:I is no different, every 3rd thread is about romancing. It's like people want to turn every Bioware game into a romance simulator.

You support every character to be bisexual? - people will love you
You are against this idea? - you will get hated and people will call you Mr. Homophobic Wizard

[Silfren]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

That's why i stopped taking BSN seriously. Ever since ME2 it got populated with people who just want to get into someone's pants. DA:I is no different, every 3rd thread is about romancing. It's like people want to turn every Bioware game into a romance simulator.

You support every character to be bisexual? - people will love you
You are against this idea? - you will get hated and people will call you Mr. Homophobic Wizard

You know, your whole shtick is ridiculous.  That people like the romances does NOT mean that they obsess over them or use DA as a dating sim or can't get any action on their own so they rely on a game for porn, or whatever the hell.

All that crap is what YOU bring to the table, it isn't based on anything real, just your own need to belittle and shame people because you don't actually know how to have a mature, civil discussion.

[Tarek]

and plz no , you don't have gf/bf argument, cause I do and I still care about romances in games

[Kaidan Fan]

Preach it, Silfren!

I say again: Don't like them, don't do them. Don't wanna talk about them, don't go in romance threads. Don't go in those threads and belittle people for what they enjoy.

I prefer the story and character development/interactions over combat. But I don't go into combat threads and tell people they're awful because they prefer the fighty parts :-P

[Angrywolves]

Blood, it's not a romantic simulator.
There are plenty of other places on the web for people who want dating sims, porn, or anything else sexually stimulating.
If you don't like romances don't do them and leave the players who like romances in peace.

[werewoof]

i like how when people wanna talk about the romance it's crazy fangirls who obsess over it but when people go on about the combat style it's perfectly valid. you know how much crap there is out there about tactical vs action combat, etc? how many times i've seen people "obsess" over how they need to do slow tactical combat like in origins? but that's perfectly valid, because it's some macho gamer discussion, but people wanna talk about what romances they'd like to see and it's the biggest affront to gaming ever seen. thats nice.

Modifié par tiktac, 08 septembre 2013 - 06:55 .

[Il Divo]

Personally, I have nothing against how seriously any other gamer may take the romance arc in Bioware games.

What I will say for myself is that while the idea was interesting in KotOR, romances have since become increasingly formulaic and over-emphasized (imo). While I don't think it would ever happen, I wouldn't mind seeing the resources devoted to romances being used to enhance other aspects of the game world instead. That, or go back to having fewer romances but find more interesting things to do with them.

[werewoof]

Il Divo wrote...

Personally, I have nothing against how seriously any other gamer may take the romance arc in Bioware games.

What I will say for myself is that while the idea was interesting in KotOR, romances have since become increasingly formulaic and over-emphasized (imo). While I don't think it would ever happen, I wouldn't mind seeing the resources devoted to romances being used to enhance other aspects of the game world instead. That, or go back to having fewer romances but find more interesting things to do with them.

to be fair both dragon age games have only had 4, unless you count sebastian. that's not a whole lot. i think da2's problem was that it wasn't finished, i've seen devs talk about how they didnt realize until it was too late that both their male li's were broody angsty types and so forth. i figure with inquisition actually having a decent amount of time to put work into it, they'll be able to keep the usual 4 and do more interesting things with them. integrate them into the story better, etc. 

[Blooddrunk1004]

Silfren

It's hard to take you seriously after you insult me and later tell me to mature. It only proves my point better about how people get buthurt over something they refuse to acknowledge.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 08 septembre 2013 - 07:08 .

[Reever]

Trista Hawke wrote...

lady_v23 wrote...

People care about romances. Obviously they wouldn't feel so strongly about it.

And you know what? Saying you don't like romances for x reason, doesn't make you cool, or special. Just another one who doesn't do romances.

 

Exactly this. I mean, if you don't like romances, then opt out of them. If you can't stand games that include (optional) romance, then don't play them. If you're annoyed by the fan base of said games - stay off the company's forums. 

The problem is when people care more about romances in a fantasy game where the main goal is to "save x or y" and not seduce every guy and gal you see.
Of course, every person cares more about one element than others, but they shouldn't make it out as the only thing that matters (just talking in general here).

That said, it's understandable that "people care too much about people who care too much about romance", because they fear the devs might lose their way (which I don't really think they'd do, anyway). Or because it's just annoying.

For alternatives, you have The Sims. Or some dating sim. Or something.

And again: I'm just talking about situations when people exaggerate. I do think Bioware games are also in part defined by their romances (though I don't know about older games), but I would never in my life not buy a game if there were no romance in it. Can't say the same for the "-mancers" around BSN, though.

[werewoof]

Fandango9641 wrote...

A few here doth protest too much methinks! No one here is saying that romantic content if for girls. No one here is saying that romantic content isn't fun and worthwhile. No one here is saying that those who appreciate romantic content cant appreciate gameplay and vice versa. No. The question is: Do some people care too much about romance? And, given that the romantic ruminations of this community have led to an entire sub forum being locked, the answer is a resounding yes! It couldn't be clearer!

And again, that's not to say that we're all guilty - just that uber-creepy subsection of fans that care way more than is healthy. You know who you are.

well first off in every romance thread ever i have read every single one of those things many times. people say it's for fangirls, its pandering, its not worthwhile, and everyone who likes it is wasting their time and desperate and lonely etc etc ad nauseam 

and in trying to create some semblance of peace here your best solution is to again imply that its your business that some people like romance "way more than is healthy"? because thats totally your place to decide yeah 

Modifié par tiktac, 08 septembre 2013 - 07:13 .