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[Malfrun]

 hey, I was thinking of doing a strictly chantry biased run so here's what i've got so far.

origin-I think human noble would be best
lothering-kill bandits, help out elder miriam(or whatever) but not alison and the other one do all chantry quests
blackston irregulars-what do you think?
mage circle-templars obviously,take wynne with but put her and then end up killing her and others
mages collective-no
dalish-side with the dalish and end the curse
orzammar-bhelen,open chantry
anvil-don't know exactly need confirmation
redcliffe-turn jowan over to circle,kill connor
ashes-kill cultists and dragon allow visitors to urn 
landsmeet- im thinking alistair and anora and kill loghain because he kind of caused the deaths of hundreds
ritual-no
archdemon-sacrifice self

leliana-don't harden,let marjolaine go?
alistair-harden?
sten -don't know if to recruit?
morrigan-I've got a mod that allows you to turn her into the templars
zevran-kill?
wynne-should i recruit or kill

I've probably missed quite a lot of chances to do chantry"ie" things so thats why I'm here if you've got something that would be good or a change i'll be happy to here it. thanks for the help 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Greagoir is willing to spare the mages, and he's the highest ranking Chantry official there. Therefore, I think it's less obvious than you say that the Chantry way is to kill all the mages. As for the Anvil, that's been compared to blood magic. That's an easy one.

The Chantry also teaches the values of forgiveness according to Leiliana, so I think you've got the decisions with regards to Loghain and Zevran wrong. Sten's a bit trickier for obvious reasons.

[BevH]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Greagoir is willing to spare the mages, and he's the highest ranking Chantry official there. Therefore, I think it's less obvious than you say that the Chantry way is to kill all the mages. As for the Anvil, that's been compared to blood magic. That's an easy one.

The Chantry also teaches the values of forgiveness according to Leiliana, so I think you've got the decisions with regards to Loghain and Zevran wrong. Sten's a bit trickier for obvious reasons.

But the Grand Cleric is quite outraged at what Loghain did to Alfstanna's brother. So, she may not be so quick to forgive Loghain.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

From what Leiliana says (and Alistair doesn't directly dispute it, only noting that the Chantry doesn't apply it to maleficarum) she's supposed to should he seek forgiveness.

[BevH]

True, but then again Loghain doesn't seek forgiveness for anything really. I remember him stating that the Maker will judge him which indicates that he's not asking forgiveness from any mortal being.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

He starts to change after the beating, though.

[BevH]

I still don't recall that he asks for forgiveness.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

No, but he makes clear he's repented pretty hard.

[BevH]

Not the same thing as asking forgiveness. Besides, he only repents because he got caught.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And yet he repents to the point of asking to make The Ulitmate Sacrifice. It's pretty clear he wants at least the Maker's forgiveness for much of what he's done. (I say much of what he's done because even then he defends the Ostagar decision, and well enough that Wynne can't really gainsay him despite still thinking he is and was wrong.)

[Corker]

Alfstanna herself gives the terms of the duel as "until one party yields." Loghain yields. Forgive, don't forgive - not really relevant.

If he deserves to be executed for his crimes, there should kinda be a trial, with a verdict, and a (probably royal, since he's a teyrn) pronouncement of his execution.

Certainly it can be argued that the Warden needs to off him right then and there for various reasons, but I don't think his summary execution has Chantry or secular legal sanction behind it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

And yet forgiveness is (at least according to Leiliana, who had done some bad things herself and was brought to the Chantry regardless) more in line with what the Chantry preaches than execution with or without trial. And since that's what Mathuker is asking, that's what I'm trying to help with.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 08 septembre 2013 - 11:50 .

[Corker]

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Corker wrote...

 but I don't think his summary execution has Chantry or secular legal sanction behind it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Never mind then.

[BevH]

If the Landsmeet has given majority support to the warden, then the warden would have secular legal sanction in the absence of a properly seated monarch. However, the question here is what would garner approval from the Chantry, so, even though Loghain never asks forgiveness, the response should be to forgive him anyway and spare him.