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[KaiserShep]

Technically, dead reapers can be useful too, in reaping whatever technology you can from their innards, even if much of it is left inert by the Crucible wave. Aside from that, you also have a ton of reaper zombies lingering about. These things are conveniently left out of the slides for fairly obvious reasons. Hey check out the banshee justicar. Look at all the brutes playing soccer with elcor. Vorcha playing cards with husks. It sure is an idyllic future. With those things, and the ever present shadow of the reapers, I'd rather just be rid of them. I'm considering this from the perspective I'd have if I was dealing with this kind of situation myself. Giant, nigh indestructible killbots with immense weaponry that were killing everyone in by the millions not long ago, and a legion of semisynthetic reanimated corpses swarming the galaxy? Maybe if I was on something powerful, perhaps in powdered form, I'd be more considerate, but there's not much chance of that. Don't know what they'd be like if I threw myself into a giant beam to disperse my "essence", but I can't say I'd particularly care either.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 septembre 2013 - 01:12 .

[Kataphrut94]

Someone hasn't seen Shaun of the Dead...

[KaiserShep]

lol I don't think I'd care to sit and play video games with husks either. I imagine Walmart would love to hire husks though. Any way to save on labor costs.

[Bionuts]

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

[Kataphrut94]

I've often jokingly said that Synthesis-husks should be in the next game what humanity was in ME1; the new kid on the block, forming colonies, building bridges and lobbying for political power. The end of the game would feature the husk fleet riding in to save the Council from the evil Cerberus Resurrectionist Pirates, followed by being given the option to choose the new husk Councillor: your reliable old mentor Captain Marauder, or the slimy but well-connected diplomat Ambassador Banshee.

Anyway, back on topic. So, EDI then. I like EDI. I like how she has good squad synergy with just about every character except for Javik. It's a nice way of integrating gameplay and characterisation by making the two characters who hate each other the most difficult to work together.

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 10 septembre 2013 - 01:24 .

[KaiserShep]

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser
than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to
me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I
choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their
lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with
feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and
torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience
their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict
actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being
tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that
purpose, then they should fulfill it.

I'm assuming much of that is tongue in cheek...because lol?

Anyway, if someone created an AI specifically designed to feel pain to appease sadists and sexually depraved psychopaths, I'd be pretty sure that this person is best avoided, by like...everyone.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 septembre 2013 - 01:22 .

[Bionuts]

KaiserShep wrote...

I'm assuming much of that is tongue in cheek...because lol?

Anyway, if someone created an AI specifically designed to feel pain to appease sadists and sexually depraved psychopaths, I'd be pretty sure that this person is best avoided, by like...everyone.

All that matters is that it's fulfilling the purpose of it's creation. It's a tool, like a broom, a remote, a mouse, etc.

Pain and emotions don't matter. All that matters is that the robots fulfill their purpose.

[KaiserShep]

It's not so much the issue of the AI's capacity to feel pain and emotions, though that's part of it, but rather the nurturing of the worst of our own behavior through use of such an elaborate simulation. It's doubtful that a broom, a remote control, or a mouse have such malignant uses in and of themselves, unless you use your mouse to surf through rotten.com on a daily basis, then I guess it kind of counts.

[Bionuts]

KaiserShep wrote...

It's not so much the issue of the AI's capacity to feel pain and emotions, though that's part of it, but rather the nurturing of the worst of our own behavior through use of such an elaborate simulation. It's doubtful that a broom, a remote control, or a mouse have such malignant uses in and of themselves, unless you use your mouse to surf through rotten.com on a daily basis, then I guess it kind of counts.

Better for a child molester to fulfill his/her desire, and inflict pain on robots than actual humans. The pain and emotions would be the same, but the key thing here, is that he/she is inflicting pain on the robot instead of the human.

It doesn't matter to me if an AI feels pain. Hell, we can all rally together, cut off it's limbs, fingers, while it's pleading for mercy and crying in pain. Doesn't matter, because it's not human.

The peak of human evolution. To realize that nothing else but humans matter.

[Sir DeLoria]

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. 

That is a joke, right?

[KaiserShep]

Yeah this is no longer about the merits of artificial intelligence and more about my aversion to providing psychopathic scum best left to rot alone in a cell with advanced pacifiers.

There is no peak of evolution, and no delusion will ever change that.

[Br3admax]

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

How is that a problem?

[Bionuts]

Necanor wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. 

That is a joke, right?

Pain and emotions don't matter. I already proved this when I stated my support of AI being created for the specific purpose of feeling pain.

[KaiserShep]

Well really we're already exploring avenues that could potentially make that happen in reality. A few years ago, researchers used IBM's BlueGene L supercomputer to simulate a portion of a mouse's brain. Of course, it's a pretty hefty task given the complexity of a real brain and the speed at which a brain operates compared to what a computer is capable of, but who knows where computing technology will take us years from now, and what we can simulate with it.

Bionuts wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. 

That is a joke, right?

Pain
and emotions don't matter. I already proved this when I stated my
support of AI being created for the specific purpose of feeling pain.

So is this to say that this is NOT a joke? I assumed that it was, because a person who says this in all seriousness is some kind of demented sociopath.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 septembre 2013 - 01:49 .

[Br3admax]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

How is that a problem?

Niches. We can't all occupy the same nice. Life, using the term losely I guess, just doesn't work that way. Life is a niche. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

How is that a problem?

Niches. We can't all occupy the same nice. Life, using the term losely I guess, just doesn't work that way. Life is a niche. 

Life is not a niche.

[Bionuts]

KaiserShep wrote...
So is this to say that this is NOT a joke? I assumed that it was, because a person who says this in all seriousness is some kind of demented sociopath.

I'm providing perspective. People that value the ability to feel pain, happiness, loss, gain, etc. Doesn't matter where it comes from.

I wouldn't laugh at an AI being tortured if it was feeling actual pain. Being a robot doesn't change how I would feel towards it.

[KaiserShep]

Specific organisms do fill specific niches, though. Like how a moth species that serves as the sole pollinator of a flower on a remote island would be an example of a very small niche.

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

How is that a problem?

Niches. We can't all occupy the same nice. Life, using the term losely I guess, just doesn't work that way. Life is a niche. 

Life is not a niche.

Give me an example where everything in life is not seperated into niches.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

How is that a problem?

Niches. We can't all occupy the same nice. Life, using the term losely I guess, just doesn't work that way. Life is a niche. 

What the hell does this even mean? Are you talking about biological niches? If so, you've grossly misused the term.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Br3ad wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

How is that a problem?

Niches. We can't all occupy the same nice. Life, using the term losely I guess, just doesn't work that way. Life is a niche. 

Life is not a niche.

Give me an example where everything in life is not seperated into niches.

What does this have to do with creating artificial life?

[Br3admax]

Bionuts wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...
So is this to say that this is NOT a joke? I assumed that it was, because a person who says this in all seriousness is some kind of demented sociopath.

I'm providing perspective. People that value the ability to feel pain, happiness, loss, gain, etc. Doesn't matter where it comes from.

I wouldn't laugh at an AI being tortured if it was feeling actual pain. Being a robot doesn't change how I would feel towards it.

AI don't feel pain, remorse, or fear. Did you even listen to Legion? Geth don't anyway.

[KaiserShep]

Whatever "niche" synthetic "life forms" would fill would obviously be specific to our own technological advancement. They would not be part of the ecology in the same way migrating geese or local predatory birds would be. They would be wholly dependent on our infrastructure for power, resources, maintenance, etc.. Their impact on the ecosystem would be no different from the impact we already impose upon it with our other artificial structures and machinery. So really, whatever synthetic beings do, is an extension of its creators.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 septembre 2013 - 02:05 .

[Br3admax]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

A person with no legs and arms is lesser than a person with. Women that can't have children are of less value to me than video games. I don't care if the machine or human has feelings. I choose how valuable they are to me. And if they are useless, their lives are as well.

I would even support creation of AIs with feelings, pain, and emotions, etc., to feed to prisoners to rape and torture. Perhaps create some for child molesters, so they can experience their perverted desires, while at the same time being able to inflict actual pain.

Who agrees? I wouldn't care if an AI was being tortured and felt tremendous pain, because if they were built for that purpose, then they should fulfill it.

The much bigger problem is that you want to create any life at all artificially. 

How is that a problem?

Niches. We can't all occupy the same nice. Life, using the term losely I guess, just doesn't work that way. Life is a niche. 

What the hell does this even mean? Are you talking about biological niches? If so, you've grossly misused the term.

Do you honestly believe that if we create robots that number close to our own numbers, that we would safely be able to exist in the same enviroment together? If we all needed the same resources to survive? Do you honestly believe that?