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[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Sounds like the bridge would be the perfect place to open the airlock. You're telling me the Sr-1 could seal off portions, but the SR-2 couldn't? 

Except it wouldn't be the perfect place to open it, because the Collectors were coming through the lower decks, and moving their way up through the elevator. A Praetorian comes out of the elevator. A Praetorian can be seen in engineering through the tech lab. And again, I must reiterate that the Normandy's helm controls were offline. He had no means to purge the system himself. EDI had to do this, since she was the only entity aboard the ship capable of managing the ship's core functions once unshackled. Even if Joker managed to open that one airlock and seal himself off in the bridge, the Collectors would have taken the rest of the crew, and once they were all disembarked, they would have destroyed the ship, and that would've been it.

You're just making up excuses on why we need EDI now. Joker could very well open every airlock on the ship just as well as EDI could. Yes EDI needs to run the ship, or Joker could open the airlock and wait for the specialist to come back. Everyone Shepard recruited, excluding someone, were fully capable of helping run the Normandy. If this were not true, Miranda would not be angry once she finds out about EDI being unshackled. There are plenty of other solutions than realeasing the AI. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 10 septembre 2013 - 06:01 .

[KaiserShep]

General TSAR wrote...
Do you discard tools because of the way they look? The Enhanced Defense Intelligence is a valuable intelligence processing system and warfare suite, but that's all it is.

At the start of ME3, I would trade the program for a dozen well disciplined intelligence and electronic support officers, the Defense Intelligence already betrayed its original masters, what's stopping it from betraying me? Its word? HA.

I'm going to just assume that there's a fairly amusing double standard here, because there are two Cerberus operatives aboard the Normandy that ALSO turn against Cerberus, and then you have legions of scientists and engineers that also turn against them. Cerberus is leaking assets like a sieve, but only EDI seems to be the untrustworthy one, despite supporting Shepard's cause.

This is daft logic.

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Okay, I know this may sound weird for me to defend EDI, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. That's stupid Blade logic. 

Praise from Caesar is praise indeed.

And stupid logic from you, is stupid logic. You don't get rid of something because it is a part of your ship. That's just dumb. Even if EDI somehow thought going back to Cerberus would be a good idea, how would she? 

[General TSAR]

Br3ad wrote...

And stupid logic from you, is stupid logic. You don't get rid of something because it is a part of your ship. That's just dumb. Even if EDI somehow thought going back to Cerberus would be a good idea, how would it? 

Fixed for you.

Modifié par General TSAR, 10 septembre 2013 - 06:14 .

[KaiserShep]

Br3ad wrote...
You're just making up excuses on why we need EDI now. Joker could very well open every airlock on the ship just as well as EDI could. Yes EDI needs to run the ship, or Joker could open the airlock and wait for the specialist to come back. Everyone Shepard recruited, excluding someone, were fully capable of helping run the Normandy. If this were not true, Miranda would not be angry once she finds out about EDI being unshackled. There are plenty of other solutions than realeasing the AI. 

Come on now.

What excuses? I'm basically pointing out to you exactly what happens at this point of the game. If Joker could have opened the deck 2 airlock, AND the cargo bay door from his location, he would've done it. Clearly he couldn't, so the claim that he could have is false. You can't rewrite the scenario to fit around what you think SHOULD happen.

Wait for who to come back? How long would that be? The Collectors took the crew in a pretty short period of time. The Normandy would've been space debris by the time anyone returned to that location. Granted, the setup is already disjointed because of the fact that Shepard just so happens to take the entire squad on a shuttle to wherever, but the fact remains that Joker is alone, the Collectors have the ship, and he would not have been able to control the entire ship's functions by himself with the IFF trap in place.

Opening the airlocks is not enough. He has to be able to flee as well. Propulsion was offline. The Normandy was as good as dead.

TSAR,

Like I said, doing that only serves to annoy. If you insist on synthetics not being referred to with gender specific pronouns, why not just insist upon it rather than be obnoxious and alter other people's posts for your own means? It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and makes you look like a troll.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 septembre 2013 - 06:20 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Br3ad wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Sounds like the bridge would be the perfect place to open the airlock. You're telling me the Sr-1 could seal off portions, but the SR-2 couldn't? 

Except it wouldn't be the perfect place to open it, because the Collectors were coming through the lower decks, and moving their way up through the elevator. A Praetorian comes out of the elevator. A Praetorian can be seen in engineering through the tech lab. And again, I must reiterate that the Normandy's helm controls were offline. He had no means to purge the system himself. EDI had to do this, since she was the only entity aboard the ship capable of managing the ship's core functions once unshackled. Even if Joker managed to open that one airlock and seal himself off in the bridge, the Collectors would have taken the rest of the crew, and once they were all disembarked, they would have destroyed the ship, and that would've been it.

You're just making up excuses on why we need EDI now. Joker could very well open every airlock on the ship just as well as EDI could. Yes EDI needs to run the ship, or Joker could open the airlock and wait for the specialist to come back. Everyone Shepard recruited, excluding someone, were fully capable of helping run the Normandy. If this were not true, Miranda would not be angry once she finds out about EDI being unshackled. There are plenty of other solutions than realeasing the AI. 

There were no other solutions. Joker couldn't wait for Shepard or someone else to come back, he had to get the Normandy away from the Collectors before they captured or destroyed it. The only option he had was to let EDI purge the IFF virus from the system and take control. the only way to do that was to unshackle her. The only way to unshackle her was to go to the AI core, before manually restart the engines in engineering so EDI could save the ship.

[Br3admax]

General TSAR wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

And stupid logic from you, is stupid logic. You don't get rid of something because it is a part of your ship. That's just dumb. Even if EDI somehow thought going back to Cerberus would be a good idea, how would it? 

Fixed for you.

I keep doing that. Damn it. 

[Br3admax]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Sounds like the bridge would be the perfect place to open the airlock. You're telling me the Sr-1 could seal off portions, but the SR-2 couldn't? 

Except it wouldn't be the perfect place to open it, because the Collectors were coming through the lower decks, and moving their way up through the elevator. A Praetorian comes out of the elevator. A Praetorian can be seen in engineering through the tech lab. And again, I must reiterate that the Normandy's helm controls were offline. He had no means to purge the system himself. EDI had to do this, since she was the only entity aboard the ship capable of managing the ship's core functions once unshackled. Even if Joker managed to open that one airlock and seal himself off in the bridge, the Collectors would have taken the rest of the crew, and once they were all disembarked, they would have destroyed the ship, and that would've been it.

You're just making up excuses on why we need EDI now. Joker could very well open every airlock on the ship just as well as EDI could. Yes EDI needs to run the ship, or Joker could open the airlock and wait for the specialist to come back. Everyone Shepard recruited, excluding someone, were fully capable of helping run the Normandy. If this were not true, Miranda would not be angry once she finds out about EDI being unshackled. There are plenty of other solutions than realeasing the AI. 

There were no other solutions. Joker couldn't wait for Shepard or someone else to come back, he had to get the Normandy away from the Collectors before they captured or destroyed it. The only option he had was to let EDI purge the IFF virus from the system and take control. the only way to do that was to unshackle her. The only way to unshackle her was to go to the AI core, before manually restart the engines in engineering so EDI could save the ship.

The Normandy doesn't jet away from the Collectors. The Collectors just leave because they think they have anyone. The only reason to really release EDI is to finish installing the IFF and to turn off their broadcast signal. 

[AlanC9]

Br3ad wrote...

The Normandy doesn't jet away from the Collectors. The Collectors just leave because they think they have anyone. The only reason to really release EDI is to finish installing the IFF and to turn off their broadcast signal. 

Wait, what?

[KaiserShep]

NO. The Normandy zips into FTL and flushes the Collectors out. EDI fires up the core and the force knocks Joker down.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 septembre 2013 - 06:27 .

[Oni Changas]

Teddie Sage wrote...

My Shepard couldn't become a deity through Control and wouldn't force Synthesis on organics and synthetics. Destroying was the only thing he could do to shut down that crazy AI. Machines can be rebuilt, DNA should be preserved.

Indeed. This is why I Jackie Chan Face when people take the Geth's side on Rannoch/QuariansvGeth.

[Iakus]

Teddie Sage wrote...

My Shepard couldn't become a deity through Control and wouldn't force Synthesis on organics and synthetics. Destroying was the only thing he could do to shut down that crazy AI. Machines can be rebuilt, DNA should be preserved.

Right.  Just like the clone was a rebuilt Shepard.

Wait...

Modifié par iakus, 10 septembre 2013 - 06:42 .

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

NO. The Normandy zips into FTL and flushes the Collectors out. EDI fires up the core and the force knocks Joker down.

Unneeded, I say. Vacuum is vacuum. 

[KaiserShep]

Zipping into FTL is not just to get the Collectors out of the ship; it's also to get away from the Collector ship looming over the Normandy, which can be obliterated once the crew is emptied out. So, it is very necessary.

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

Zipping into FTL is not just to get the Collectors out of the ship; it's also to get away from the Collector ship looming over the Normandy, which can be obliterated once the crew is emptied out. So, it is very necessary.

Obliterated may be a little strong considering even the orginal Normandy wasn't obliterated. But the point's taken. 

[KaiserShep]

The original Normandy was turned into a pile of co-developed boondoggle all over the planet's surface.

[Br3admax]

KaiserShep wrote...

The original Normandy was turned into a pile of co-developed boondoggle all over the planet's surface.

For a ship hit with a giant laser four or five times, it looks pretty intact to me. 

[AlanC9]

Huge chunks missing and the CIC open to space is your idea of intact?

[KaiserShep]

It'll buff right out.

[Br3admax]

AlanC9 wrote...

Huge chunks missing and the CIC open to space is your idea of intact?

Me wrote...
For a ship hit with a giant laser four or five times, it looks pretty intact to me.

Obliterated  means completely destroyed. The SR-1 was not completely destroyed. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Semantics. The SR1 was not intact or spaceworthy. If the Collector ship had done that the SR2, the mission would have been over.

[RatThing]

Yeah we've all seen that EDI saved Shepard or the mission 2 times. But was it really because it made sense or because the writer wanted you to sympathise with an AI. My bet is on the latter.

Collectors attacking Normandy: Why can't Joker do what EDI did on his own? In the original Normandy he could somehow isolate the cockpit wit a mass effect field, so open the airlock from there and wait.
Chronos Station: Said it before, if you attacking a space station the enemy controlls, you have to expect they will use the stations control agaist you, so keep your suit on.

Modifié par RatThing, 10 septembre 2013 - 07:33 .

[The Night Mammoth]

RatThing wrote...

Yeah we've all seen that EDI saved Shepard or the mission 2 times. But was it really because it made sense or because the writer wanted you to sympathise with an AI. My bet is on the latter.

Collectors attacking Normandy: Why can't Joker do what EDI did on his own? In the original Normandy he could somehow isolate the cockpit wit a mass effect field, so open the airlock from there and wait.

As we've already established, Joker couldn't just wait, because waiting would just get the Normandy blown up or captured.

Chronos Station: Said it before, if you attacking a space station the enemy controlls, you have to expect they will use the stations control agaist you, so keep your suit on.

Keeping your suit on wont save you from explosive decompression.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 10 septembre 2013 - 07:38 .

[RatThing]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

RatThing wrote...

Yeah we've all seen that EDI saved Shepard or the mission 2 times. But was it really because it made sense or because the writer wanted you to sympathise with an AI. My bet is on the latter.

Collectors attacking Normandy: Why can't Joker do what EDI did on his own? In the original Normandy he could somehow isolate the cockpit wit a mass effect field, so open the airlock from there and wait.

As we've already established, Joker couldn't just wait, because waiting would just get the Normandy blown up or captured.

The thing is, if you're a writer you find a way. Granted, the Normandy scene made more sense than Chronos but how immediately after those scenes the game demands some kind of acknowledgement of EDI's status as a crew member is kinda suspicious to me.

[The Night Mammoth]

RatThing wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

RatThing wrote...

Yeah we've all seen that EDI saved Shepard or the mission 2 times. But was it really because it made sense or because the writer wanted you to sympathise with an AI. My bet is on the latter.

Collectors attacking Normandy: Why can't Joker do what EDI did on his own? In the original Normandy he could somehow isolate the cockpit wit a mass effect field, so open the airlock from there and wait.

As we've already established, Joker couldn't just wait, because waiting would just get the Normandy blown up or captured.

The thing is, if you're a writer you find a way.

Find a way to what?

Granted, the Normandy scene made more sense than Chronos but how immediately after those scenes the game demands some kind of acknowledgement of EDI's status as a crew member is kinda suspicious to me.

The game doesn't demand you acknowledge EDI as a crew member. Choose bottom right.