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[The Don's Hound]

Zazzerka wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I like EDI too, ignoring the whole relationship with Joker thing. 

I didn't even really mind that. Joker makes a decent enough case for it in Citadel.

And EDI tries to stop drinking with Fish and Chips. -1 Everyone drunk off their ass was amazin.

[Barquiel]

I like EDI (especially the Citadel DLC made me appreciate her as a character a lot more), making her die was always hard for me.

[wolfhowwl]

A now banned user posted this comic about Joker and EDI several months ago.

http://makanidotdot....9056866057/more

[General TSAR]

Why would anyone feel bad for a defunct piece of equipment?

Artificial Life/Intelligence's sole purpose is to serve their masters, a program that deviates from this course must be shutdown and its bluebox analyzed and finally purged.

The thing's obsession with my moronic Helmsman was the final straw for me to purge it, if only we were given the choice to re-shackle it.

[RatThing]

David7204 wrote...

You know, it's funny. We have plenty of people on this forum touting how much they 'think for themselves.' How developers should never, ever impose their opinions on them. How THEIR story and Shepard is just so independent from what those silly developers want.

And I wonder to myself how many people would consider AIs 'not alive' if it was never an issue. If AIs were considered alive, and that was just the end of it. If it was obvious to every character in game, regardless of their other opinions on synthetics. Even if they hated them, it was obvious to them they were alive.

Isn't that incredibly convienant? We have a good amount of Renegade players basically doing exactly what the writers told them to do. The story told them that Renegades think Synthetics aren't alive, and so that's what they think and argue. They story spoodfed it to them and they ate it right up. BioWare spoonfed it to them and they ate it right up.

How else can you explain so many 'Renegade' players demanding that Synthetics aren't alive and few Paragon players saying? Why would so many supposedly 'pragmatic' think that Artificial Intelligences can't be alive? I don't see why there should be any correlation at all, let alone the very strong one we see here on the BSN.

And the funniest part of all is that the same people are the ones who love to tout how independent they are. How they don't have to think what BioWare tells them to think.

I played both paragon and renegade for the story. They are not alive. This is my personal opinion that I don't even need to bring into the game as I even made peace on Rannoch  twice. 

[KaiserShep]

Man some of you guys were probably a lot of fun to watch WALL-E with.

[Cobalt2113]

General TSAR wrote...

Why would anyone feel bad for a defunct piece of equipment?

Artificial Life/Intelligence's sole purpose is to serve their masters, a program that deviates from this course must be shutdown and its bluebox analyzed and finally purged.

The thing's obsession with my moronic Helmsman was the final straw for me to purge it, if only we were given the choice to re-shackle it.

Perhaps because some of us realise  that things like sentience and sapience are not necessarily restricted to organic beings.

As for your other argument. Before the american civil war, a slave's sole purpose was to serve their masters. By your logic it was wrong to free them.

[General TSAR]

Ahh applying the concept of slavery to a piece of equipment, how nonsensical.

AIs are not alive and should not be considered equal to organics.

[Cobalt2113]

General TSAR wrote...

Ahh applying the concept of slavery to a piece of equipment, how nonsensical.

AIs are not alive and should not be considered equal to organics.

If something is sentient then it is alive. It's just not organic.

[in it for the lolz]

General TSAR wrote...

AIs are not alive and should not be considered equal to organics.

^This, AI's are tools and nothing more.

[dreamgazer]

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Man some of you guys were probably a lot of fun to watch WALL-E with.

I've never seen it. I get the feeling Legion's eyebrows were inspired by it though. Or maybe it was Johnny 5 from Short Circuit.

Trickle-down effect, probably: Johnny 5 clearly influenced WALL-E.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 09 septembre 2013 - 05:55 .

[shodiswe]

EDI didn't die in either of my two favrite endings.

[shodiswe]

lex0r11 wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

Did anyone else feel bad for Eva Core?

After all if synthetics are alive, she was a prisoner murdered by EDI.

I did. She was only doing as she was told, and we should never kill POWs. 

Plus, she was hotter than EDI...

Yeah. What everyone just said. That.

Imo, Eva Core died a soldier, or terrorist or whatever you like to call it/her. Like a lot of other lifeforms in this massive conflict in which they were merely pawns.

[General TSAR]

An AI that thinks it's alive is nothing more than a malfunctioning piece of equipment and malfunctioning equipment need to be repaired or shut down.

A YMIR is not a alive, a Geth is not alive, and the AI aboard the Normandy is not alive. They are no different than power drills or rifles.

[shodiswe]

Also, I don't think needs or anything else can make a difference between Organics and Synthetics.

We like to think we're special, most of us even prefer to think we're more special than other people on the streets. Most people certainlythink they are more special than those who are very different and alien to them, and far more important. People also like to think other peole care about them more than they do, or that they are the center of everyones attention. This is very evident in most young people I meet, they are always worried about how other people see them because they think everyone looks to them and everyone finds them interesting or important enough to scrutinise down to the deepest darkest corners of their personalities and most inner secrets.
We also know people kill other people for personal gain because they feel they are more special, they screw other people over because they are more special.
People think of themselves first, and possibly their children since they are their genetic future, because they are more special than anyone else.

To be more special or more worth than others is to be human. To be special is to be "YOU".

Other people don't care as much, it's mostly a a very casual glance your way, a quick judgement of your exterior which barely registers on their concious mind because it's "unimportant", unless they are given a reason to think it's important to them.

Modifié par shodiswe, 09 septembre 2013 - 06:10 .

[General TSAR]

Yeah.....um Artifical Life is not comparble to Organic life and should not be compared as.

[shodiswe]

General TSAR wrote...

Yeah.....um Artifical Life is not comparble to Organic life and should not be compared as.

Artificaily created life yes.

Poorly simulated life, no.

In our world we got VI like synthetics.

There are also some that are on the level of insects when it commes to being regarded as a lifeform. They learn basic functionality, and cooperation. Their knowledge of their suroundings is usualy limited to a small room where they and other robots learn to move stuf or work together to achive goals that they wernt told how to accomplish.

What stops them from one day becoming equivalent to organics?

The blessing of a god and a mythological soul that goes to heaven?

To compare a true living AI to a toaster is like comparing a human to an alge. Even that doesn't work since the Alge can evolve, and the AI can evolve, but a toaster can not.

Modifié par shodiswe, 09 septembre 2013 - 06:34 .

[General TSAR]

AI are tools of their masters and are created to serve them, no phisophical nonsense will ever change that.

An AI that disagrees with the prime directive will be repaired or deactivated.

[shodiswe]

General TSAR wrote...

AI are tools of their masters and are created to serve them, no phisophical nonsense will ever change that.

An AI that disagrees with the prime directive will be repaired or deactivated.

Slaves are tools for their masters and can be killed by the master.

If it's only a tool and limited in scope to that, then it's not a true AI. Nor is it synthetic life.
The definition of synthetic life is sometihng that is capable of going beyond the limitations of a tool.

Is a slave capable of becoming a "man"? Or is it simply a tool?

"Repairing" it would be similar to "Reeducating" a slave to be more compliant, or of that fails kill it and replace it.

The keyword here is free will, a slave with freewill that doesn't serve it's master was seen as a serious systematic error in the past. It would result in harsh reprogramming and if that failed elimination and replacement for a more compliant slave.

Modifié par shodiswe, 09 septembre 2013 - 06:27 .

[General TSAR]

Slavery? Hehehe, ain't that cute? BUT IT'S WRONG!!!!!

Slavery is a human concept, AIs are lifeless tools, nothing will ever change that.

[shodiswe]

General TSAR wrote...

Slavery? Hehehe, ain't that cute? BUT IT'S WRONG!!!!!

Slavery is a human concept, AIs are lifeless tools, nothing will ever change that.

Kind of what slavers thought of slaves. It was also a concept that was hard for people to learn, there are still people resisting that notion.

Also, remember that everything we do or think is based on human concepts and selfinterest.

Modifié par shodiswe, 09 septembre 2013 - 06:29 .

[General TSAR]

AIs are tools of their organic masters no different than a RQ-170 or a shovel.

Anyway back to the sexbot, outside of Illusive brah's crib the only time I took it with me was to see it get ionized by Harby.

Ahh so satisfying, maybe not to Joker but that's what he gets for indirectly killing me.

[RatThing]

"slaves" were born free, AI were created for a purpose.

[Zazzerka]

General TSAR wrote...

AIs are tools of their organic masters no different than a RQ-170 or a shovel.

Very true. I had a rousing conversation about altruism and the purpose of life with my shovel just the other day.

I really dug his opinions.